KI-popped-NM Stealing

[Khiinroye]

In battlefield status, the NM still has to return to its pop spot and stand there for a little, so that would not prevent the use of Atma of the Zombie Apocalypse. However, the time limit on confrontation would mean that the NM would depop eventually since the zombies wouldn't be able to do anything to it.

The only valid complaints for mobs going yellow and people not doing things wrong are 1) bsts during pet swaps and 2) the rare random glitch where nobody has died or disengaged, and the mob turns yellow for a second or two. I've seen #2 happen once recently, when some mnk was soloing Pallid Percy. If you're kiting or people are dying and the mob goes yellow, then its probably something you did wrong.

The claim system has been patched before; from what I understand, KB was notorious for turning yellow several times per fight no matter what you did.

[Khajit]

If they are going to add battlefield status to abyssea NMs like the new dynamis stuff, I hope they add 10 minute depop timers as well. So I don't have to deal with people who shouldn't be fighting stuff taking 2 hours to zombie it to death.

That would actually suck in the end because if you come to help a friend or your friend comes to help you after popping they get locked out and so on and so forth with various scenarios all the way down to inviting some noob in that needs a title.

[wish12oz]

The claim system has been patched before; from what I understand, KB was notorious for turning yellow several times per fight no matter what you did.

I can confirm both of these statements as true. Way back in the day when I first started HNM, KB would unclaim like crazy, and at some point they did update the mechanics behind it and made it better, but it's still not perfect. I remember the first time I got to fight KB, I was on RDM and told not to cast any dots on it, because if it ran out of engaging distance and I had a dot on it that it would unclaim.

That would actually suck in the end because if you come to help a friend or your friend comes to help you after popping they get locked out and so on and so forth with various scenarios all the way down to inviting some noob in that needs a title.

Ya, it does happen and it sucks. The other day I went to do some Dynamis Lords, and our bard was going to pop it, and was rotating through the 2 parties and actually popped it outside the alliance, and no one could fight it. It was pretty lol.

[blowfin]

The more you talk the less you appear to know about the game at all. Have you seriously never been in an bcnm to know how they work?

I haven`t done much Dyna since the update so I`m really not sure what people are talking about when they refer to `battlefield status` in there. I was thinking more along the lines of the Voidwatch/VNM system. Have you never fought a VNM to know what i`m referring to? Are you capable of posting without slinging insults?

Mobs don't instantly depop if you wipe, they walk back to their spawn point, and then stand there for a bit. And I guess you are on the side of people who spend 2 hours fighting something with an alliance I could solo in 10 minutes, so I guess you wouldn't understand what I mean. But the basic idea is that it's ignorant and rude to zombie hold stuff when people are waiting for you to be done, that's why they will steal it from you and kill it, not because they are bad selfish people, but because you are. (most of the time this is true anyway, there are some real jerks around)

No of course I don`t support people who take two hours to zombie kill, not that I`ve EVER seen that happen in the game. Unless you`re tending to massive hyperbole (which i suspect), I`m not sure what backwater server you`d be on to see that happening. If people do that kind of thing, then by all means they deserve to have their mobs jacked.

The problem which people seem to keep ignoring is that with the potential there to jack mobs, people are going to attempt do it regardless of whether it`s `fair` or not, because it`s a wholly subjective measure, generally based on how high the sense of self-entitlement is, and how much you cry about people `wasting your time` in a video game. Same point that people were raising with the PDT patch a couple of days ago. Doesn`t matter how much it`s abused, the fact that it can be should be enough to have it changed.

Good example: Some people from my shell I was with the other night jacked an Alfard at 7% when the tank died, and subsequently the WHM. The group probably would have gotten their act together and finished it off, but it didn`t stop the folks in my party from pinging the thing and trying to kill it. Of course the folks I was with claimed the other group wouldn`t have been able to finish it off, not that we got the chance to prove that theory. I was mortally embarrassed by that, not just because it made us look like greedy SOB`s, but because I`d been crafting for one of them and funnily enough, haven`t had any return business since. Even though I need the fangs, I would have turned them down in that situation if the NM hadn`t of been handed back to the original group.

[Khajit]

I haven`t done much Dyna since the update so I`m really not sure what people are talking about when they refer to `battlefield status` in there. I was thinking more along the lines of the Voidwatch/VNM system. Have you never fought a VNM to know what i`m referring to? Are you capable of posting without slinging insults?

Well at least you confirmed you have no clue what you're talking about...

[blowfin]

Well at least you confirmed you have no clue what you're talking about...

lolDyna

Confirmed. I don`t care about it.

[svengalis]

Why make a new thread when there is an almost identical one on
page 1 of this forum section?: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...ne-Is-Not-Dead

The only way to get a problem fixed is to keep complaining about until something is done. If only one person complains then it will probably be overlooked. I agree with TC this should be looked at.

[Tamoa]

The claim system is surely so deeply embedded in the game's code that it cannot be changed without drastic and unintended effects throughout the rest of the game. It's not SE's fault if you fail to understand how it works.

Wiping when Murphy's Law is out for your hide is OK. It happens to everyone. Just do everyone a favor and take it like a man. Dust yourself off, swear a few times, and go farm up another KI popset. It's ridiculously easy and you won't look like a whiny little sissy anymore.

As for this?

"If I pop the NM and I suck and lost, I don't want you to have it, is that simple."

If you're going to be that butthurt about the occasional wipe, just CFH it and scream profanities in /say and /shout while throwing an immature temper tantrum that'd be the envy of all the preschoolers across the country.

Just quoting this because it's the appropriate response to all this whining.

[Khajit]

lolDyna

Confirmed. I don`t care about it.

Perhaps you should exit the conversation and let grownups who know wtf they're talking about talk?
Here's a hint. Noone was specifically talking about dynamis when it came to battlefields.

[blowfin]

Ganking mobs is surely so deeply embedded in the players mindset that it cannot be changed without drastic and unintended effects throughout the rest of the game. It's not SE's fault if you fail to understand how it works.

Fixed that for you.