Raise the Minimum Requirement for entering Abyssea to Lv70 or 75

[Avina]

It's too late now anyway. Killing abyssea leeching now would give everyone who did it an enormous advantage over those that didn't start doing it in time. It would make things worse for new players, or returning players, while not affecting the players who already did it at all.

Hey, I and everyone else who leveled up any job to 75 before Abyssea came out were already screwed over then by Abyssea leeching since we had to take the time to level all that stuff up before it became easy like it has. It 100% would not make things worse for new players since raising the cap would force there to be more lower level parties which is what most lower level people are looking to do anyways, and I hardly think returning players would be all that steamed either. The only people who would be upset about it are the ones who actively rely on trading keys to boxes to get their jobs up.

[Arlan]

Hey, I and everyone else who leveled up any job to 75 before Abyssea came out were already screwed over then by Abyssea leeching since we had to take the time to level all that stuff up before it became easy like it has. It 100% would not make things worse for new players since raising the cap would force there to be more lower level parties which is what most lower level people are looking to do anyways, and I hardly think returning players would be all that steamed either. The only people who would be upset about it are the ones who actively rely on trading keys to boxes to get their jobs up.

Speak for yourself.
I leveled 6 jobs to lvl75 before abyssea
And I for one, don't feel screwed that there is an option to do this.
I had friends who quit ffxi because the game took too much time before.
Even tho now exp rates are quicker, abyssea is still king, And since A few returning players came, I helped them to leach their job to lvl90 and spam missions and other contents with them, including Abyssea since we enjoyed gaming together..

I enjoy gaming with new players, teaching them how job mechanics work, and getting their lvls asap so I can do contents with them. I do old content too but not the ones that bore me of course.

Plus, ever since abyssea, Now I got 10 jobs at lvl90.
I took 4 jobs to abyssea and leached. I never knew I would ever enjoy playing or even learning those 4 new jobs I got.
Blu. BLM, pup, and sam, where the jobs btw.

So don't say people who played before abyssea where screwed cause we still enjoy this content and some of us like how it is compared to before.

I for one, am one of those who feels more relieved.
Might even ask my RL friend who quit the game to join the game again since we could do contents together once I get him leaching. There are so many things to do in FFXI, I still think there is a lot of hopes left.

[Miiyo]

Why do you care so much about what other people are doing? Last night I ate food. I showered. I took a poop. Does any of that matter to you? Why do you want to restrict the way others play just so that they can be forced to join you in what you prefer to do. I do not think grinding is fun. I don't think it betters you at your job. Attacks are automatic. I won't be able to swing better or cast magic any better just because I grind. You have your ability to grind. Go grind! No one is stopping you. People go to abyssea at lower levels because they also don't want to grind. That's their business, just as your infatuation with grinding is your business. All abyssea did is provide a way to level more jobs. Learning your job is not dependent upon how you level. It's about how you comprehend your skills. Grind outside abyssea, or level up faster in abyssea. It's just an additional option. Nothing more.

[Akujima]

Why do you care so much about what other people are doing? Last night I ate food. I showered. I took a poop. Does any of that matter to you?

It's funny to see how many people are defending the leech system, the same system that will eventually speed up the death of FFXI. Even going so far as to agree with aboloshing EXP entirely. Players being able to LvUp jobs extremely fast, will just give them more excuses to beg the Dev's to add more content, because they've maxed everything out already and have nothing left to do. A sad and negative fact that happens all too often, and I wonder how people can actually enjoy a game like this?

Eating and taking a poop can be compared to breathing and sleeping, which are basic required human functions that you need to live, so using those as examples mean nothing. But in actuality, when people vote and defend systems and beliefs that aren't required for living, then yes, it will directly or indirectly affect other people.

The major point here is that, nobody would be defending or getting upset about Abyssea Leeching, if the LvCap was 75 in the first place. Because of the fact that you were already handed the toy, SE would be stupid to take it away from you. That being said, them handing you that toy DID affect me, because I enjoy exping outside of Abyssea in regular EXP PT's. And when there is less and less people to pick from in the "/sea all inv" list, then it's harder for me to find members for that PT.

[Meyi]

It's funny to see how many people are defending the leech system, the same system that will eventually speed up the death of FFXI.

The death of FFXI will be time. Previous to the announcement of 76+ we were suffering a stagnant, slow death. People had leveled all the jobs they had ever wanted up to 75 and were losing interest in end game events. They had all the gear they wanted, or almost all of the gear they wanted, and there was nothing enjoyable in the game anymore.

Abyssea is not the death of FFXI. It is a new, refreshing life.

Even going so far as to agree with aboloshing EXP entirely. Players being able to LvUp jobs extremely fast, will just give them more excuses to beg the Dev's to add more content, because they've maxed everything out already and have nothing left to do. A sad and negative fact that happens all too often, and I wonder how people can actually enjoy a game like this?

What's wrong with wanting content in a video game? After eight years, you honestly expect us to continue being satisfied with the same, non-repeatable content? Currently the only way to repeat all of the content is to start a new character over and most people don't find that idea very attractive.

As long as we continue to pay for the game, we, the playerbase, want to enjoy the game. If there is nothing left to enjoy, we will become bored and begin to drift.

Besides, I'm sure it's a huge compliment to the dev team whenever we ask them for more content. That means we enjoy their work well enough to continue asking them for more.

The major point here is that, nobody would be defending or getting upset about Abyssea Leeching, if the LvCap was 75 in the first place. Because of the fact that you were already handed the toy, SE would be stupid to take it away from you. That being said, them handing you that toy DID affect me, because I enjoy exping outside of Abyssea in regular EXP PT's. And when there is less and less people to pick from in the "/sea all inv" list, then it's harder for me to find members for that PT.

Not true. As GreatGuardian has said, leeching is not a level, it's a failure to provide anything beneficial to the party. Jobs at 90 who fail to properly gear themselves are bigger leechers than the level 30s opening the chests.

And as someone who once had Bard 75, I can assure you that one, I would never want to be stuck playing it in Abyssea, and two, would not want to waste my cruor opening chests because nobody else wants to, and the alliance didn't want to get a level 30 to do it. If any party ever expects me to open chests as a level 90 who's actually doing their job, I just leave. I can kill fast enough to enjoy solo play and I think it'd be rude to expect anyone who's properly doing their job to give up their cruor for 17 other people. It's a trade off with level 30s though. They give us their cruor, we give them their levels.

[Akujima]

Abyssea is not the death of FFXI. It is a new, refreshing life.

Kind of like a new born baby Alien from the movie "Alien".

What's wrong with wanting content in a video game?

When that content completely kills off everything else, then yea there's something wrong with that content.

Not true. As GreatGuardian has said, leeching is not a level, it's a failure to provide anything beneficial to the party. Jobs at 90 who fail to properly gear themselves are bigger leechers than the level 30s opening the chests.

This is absolute BS to the max.

The only reason NEW players wear Perle, Aurore and Teal equip, is because all the other good gear that comes from OTHER CONTENT is obsolete and nobody runs that stuff anymore. Oh wow, what made that other content obsolete in the first place? Lol... People like GG who support Lv30 Abyssea leeching, that's what.

And GG has the nerve to complain about their gear without actually giving it any thought as to why they're forced to wear it. All I can say to that is LOL.

[Meyi]

Kind of like a new born baby Alien from the movie "Alien".

Um...kay.

When that content completely kills off everything else, then yea there's something wrong with that content.

Because after eight years we should continue doing everything we've done? No. It's called level cap increase, and if you think level 75 gear should be the best equipment at 99, then you are the delusional one.

This is absolute BS to the max.

The only reason NEW players wear Perle, Aurore and Teal equip, is because all the other good gear that comes from OTHER CONTENT is obsolete and nobody runs that stuff anymore. Oh wow, what made that other content obsolete in the first place? Lol... People like GG who support Lv30 Abyssea leeching, that's what.

Actually, there are still some pieces that are still the best from previous events. These pieces cannot be replaced from Abyssea or anything else currently in the game.

Keep in mind Final Fantasy XI is a video game. If you think those events will be fun, then go do them. If you are only wanting to do them for the rewards then why even waste your time? If you need rewards to stimulate yourself to go then you're in the same boat as everyone else; dissatisfied with the old endgame content. The only reason the majority of the player base did those events was not out of enjoyment, but for the armor.

Trust me, we're relieved that we don't have to do that anymore.

As for leeching there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I have a friend who has leeched many jobs through and he's amazing at all of them. He has great gear, he knows what he's doing. I leeched my taru black mage from 65 to 90. And I leeched my taru white mage from 30 to 90. But I think you should refrain from passing judgment because a lot of the leechers are returning players which means that they've already played this game before and the odds are high they're picking the jobs they liked the first time to level up again. That means they already know what they're doing.

And GG has the nerve to complain about their gear without actually giving it any thought as to why they're forced to wear it. All I can say to that is LOL.

No, the reason we complain about that gear is because it's terrible. AF3+1 is very easy to get and is a huge improvement to Teal/Pearl/Aurore. Quests are easy and shout groups are even easier. Make a few friends and the monsters are fun.

I honestly don't even know why I'm bothering trying to explain this to you. It seems it won't go through.

[Akujima]

No, the reason we complain about that gear is because it's terrible. AF3+1 is very easy to get and is a huge improvement to Teal/Pearl/Aurore.

So if it's their FIRST time in Abyssea, and they are farming their FIRST NM EVER for AF3+1 seals... You're expecting them to already have a full set of AF3+1? How does that make any sense at all?

AND they just entered Abyssea, and want to get some EXP and Merit points for crying out loud... And you call them WORSE than KeyLeech's?... For actually TRYING to do the best they can, with whatever gear they can get in their FIRST EXP PT's inside Abyssea...

Something is seriously wrong there. Drop the narcissistic/megalomaniac attitude and cut these people some slack.

I would expect them to wear Perle and Aurore (And I'm pretty sure YOU did at one point as well) and get some Merit Points and Skill Ups for their Job, before farming Seals from NM's on lowman 4~6 member PT's, where Merits and Skill Ups would actually do them some good. At least they're trying to contribute and improve themselves.

And if you don't understand the Alien analogy, then you obviously haven't seen the movie "Alien (1979)". Good movie, 30 years old, but still holds well to this day, even amongst all these vampire, nonsense, played out, hollywood garbage movies.

[Taylin]

you do realize that all the old content is still useful for something right? there are some really good atma you can get out of it, not that anyone would use much more than MM or RR.