Do something about the AH and lower level gear????

"PLEASE NOT A FLAME POST. IDEA POST"

THIS POST IS IN "NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM ABOUT GILL OR CRAFTING". PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC!

Title "Do something about the AH and lower level gear???? "it is a question not a statement"


If you choose to talk about gill or crafting, please make another thread. If you have constructive insight on how SE can help with stocking AH's or offering other type gear/items with NPC's please voice it.========================================================================================================================================

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Ive really noticed a lot that the AH; no matter where you are looking anymore is becoming empty. The reason why I am making this post is to open discussion on how we can all fix this. I'm not saying I'm not part of the problem myself. After playing so long and keeping all my low level gear to transfer to another low level job. I dont sell it off anymore to purchase other gear for another job. ( that missing of selling the gear is a big part of not finding it lol) When all of us started new we relied on the AH for what we couldn't craft or farm. Well what is gonna help those who started playing 1-6 months ago. The AH is BARE!!
Should SE make low level gear available (more beyond basic)?
[SIZE="6"]Again I'm asking for responses and ideas to help make the game bring in and KEEP new blood.[/SIZE]

EDIT ""Look here is another edit. Im not a heavy crafter, im not making this post to say i need this or that. I dont care about your thoughts on crafting or making money.. Im asking for ideas on how to make the AH more full on items We as longtime players have had the luxury of using. The AH is bare. I personally have lost RL friends who started playing the game recent to things that shouldnt be resons for leaving.. One is the lack of things on the AH.. How do we fix it is all im asking.. If we dont come up with ideas that are constructive then how can we ask SE to help us, and how do we expect to keep new players interested and giving there money to SE to help keep our passion going???"""EDIT

Chubrocka

Make it profitable for crafters to craft.

If you don't want to pay more money than what is obviously not attracting sales on AH, don't complain!

I have numerous high level crafts on various chars, I haven't been near a craft synth since a while after the introduction of Abyssea.

Gil isn't anywhere near as needed as it was, so you don't have dedicated crafters crafting to make money. I haven't spent any money on anything at all except shihei for 6-7 months...aside from a handful of NPC bought scrolls (abyssea chest drops sold to npc more than covered these).

Crafting is dead, currently there is very little point to craft or raise one, many basic armor synths were cheap and stocked well on the AH cause they were skillups synths. Taking a craft up now is stupid since aside from the reasons already mentioned, HQ gear is useless and even one of the old reasons people crafted (making signed +1 armor for themselves) is now pointless cause everything you can synth is crap compared to Aby drops.

So many people leech in Abyssea now where you need no gear that demand is way down anyway.

All these things together means they need to make a new sub category on the AH for NPC sold armors, they aren't screwing the crafters cause nobody makes them or cares anymore. If they destroy the need for gil, allow very popular leeching and kill crafting they need to fix it so players can actually get gear from the NPCs and for the prices to not be stupid high.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Make it profitable for crafters to craft.

If you don't want to pay more money than what is obviously not attracting sales on AH, don't complain!

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So this is what?? Dont complain? This thread is for ideas not flaming.

It's not a flame, it's the truth. Crafters won't make something that isn't worth their time to make. It's simple economics. Demand is low for low tier items, so there's no necessity or incentive to make them. If all you want is for SE to make it easy for you to obtain low level gear, you're barking up the wrong tree. There's two options available: Make it yourself, or offer crafters something worth their while to spend their time to make said item.

There's also PLENTY of alternatives to the AH out there. Bounding Boots and Empress Hairpin (for example) for almost all jobs that can use, and get use out of them will wear them up to the point where the next stage of rare/ex gear is available. AF gear is easy to get, and free (for the most part). And there's plenty of Rare - Rare/Ex weapons that are relatively easy to obtain. The way to fix things isn't to make it EASIER to get gear. The fault falls on the player base for not wanting to put forth the effort to get what they want.

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Originally Posted by Ayasha

It's not a flame, it's the truth. Crafters won't make something that isn't worth their time to make. It's simple economics. Demand is low for low tier items, so there's no necessity or incentive to make them. If all you want is for SE to make it easy for you to obtain low level gear, you're barking up the wrong tree. There's two options available: Make it yourself, or offer crafters something worth their while to spend their time to make said item.

There's also PLENTY of alternatives to the AH out there. Bounding Boots and Empress Hairpin (for example) for almost all jobs that can use, and get use out of them will wear them up to the point where the next stage of rare/ex gear is available. AF gear is easy to get, and free (for the most part). And there's plenty of Rare - Rare/Ex weapons that are relatively easy to obtain. The way to fix things isn't to make it EASIER to get gear. The fault falls on the player base for not wanting to put forth the effort to get what they want.

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Jesus christ. What is wrong with you people.. This isnt a bash on anything thread, its not even a CRAFTING thread, its an idea thread to help solve the issue for new players who dont have the same beginnings players have had for years. Get off the crap and come up with IDEAS on how to make it better. No BS of lazy or effort or anything like that. 5 years ago AH was FULL. AH is a ghost town now. I want to play this game for many more years and if we dont find ways to solve things then we will lose the new blood and all of players who have been around since the beginning will have to find another game to play.

I really think SE should make an NPC in each of the dedicated areas to sell gear around that level.

For example:
Nations 1-30?
Selbina/Mhaura 10-20
Jeuno 20-50
Norg/Rabao etc 50-60.
and so on

Make them affordable, but reduce the sellable price so people cant exploit.

I find it very difficult to get gear as a new player.

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Originally Posted by viion

I really think SE should make an NPC in each of the dedicated areas to sell gear around that level.

For example:
Nations 1-30?
Selbina/Mhaura 10-20
Jeuno 20-50
Norg/Rabao etc 50-60.
and so on

Make them affordable, but reduce the sellable price so people cant exploit.

I find it very difficult to get gear as a new player.

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Thank you for your response and input. To me being a longtime player I like to hear what it will be needed to help keep newer player.... I just hope SE WILL READ IT AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT lol ( hope caps made it easier to see for them lol)

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

Jesus christ. What is wrong with you people.. This isnt a bash on anything thread, its not even a CRAFTING thread, its an idea thread to help solve the issue for new players who dont have the same beginnings players have had for years. Get off the crap and come up with IDEAS on how to make it better. No BS of lazy or effort or anything like that. 5 years ago AH was FULL. AH is a ghost town now. I want to play this game for many more years and if we dont find ways to solve things then we will lose the new blood and all of players who have been around since the beginning will have to find another game to play.

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Your attitude isn't going to help things. You should also follow your own rule of no flaming if you're going to make the rule, which BTW so far you are the only one bashing and flaming. People are telling you, give us a reason to craft the items to fix your problem, and we will. And there is no reason because there's not enough new players to buy the items. Every time I try to sell off skill up items, they never sell so I just end up selling to vendor. The alternative solution is there, SE just needs to lower some prices that were obviously jacked to motivate AH use. Armor and weapon NPCs are everywhere.

New players will have to get over being well geared and just use the standard armors and weapons that they can't obtain from a crafter and NM. If someone gives them crap, give that someone crap right back for not stocking the AH. You're using whatever the hell you can get your hands on. It's not hard to defend yourself for using less than stellar gear these days at level 30. Then, the higher level they get the better off they'll be for AH options. The only reason the AH stayed active all those years for low level armors is because of skill up items, not because crafters were making money. That's not the case anymore and without proper guidance a newbie is just going to quit out of frustration when they're preached to about advanced game mechanics that they shouldn't really even be worried about for some time still.

The only idea I can come up with that isn't stupid is for a NPC to sell whatever it buys from us. It's not worth putting up an item time and again until a rare to see newbie finally picks it up. So let the NPC take care of the problem of getting gear into newbie hands. We're selling off the items already as is to NPCs so we don't need a massive increase in price, but what would be nice is for the weapon and armor NPCs to pay more than others so we are motivated to sell to them and it'll be really simple and easy to tell a person to go to the armor and weapon shop for their needs. They're always marked on the map. It also makes sense that a weapon NPC would pay more for an item that interests them than John Doe down the street that deals with cooking would pay. As a matter of fact John Doe cooker should never actually pay period for a weapon but that's a whole other debate of what makes sense and player willingness to run out of their way to sell stuff.

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Originally Posted by Vold

The only idea I can come up with that isn't stupid is for a NPC to sell whatever it buys from us. It's not worth putting up an item time and again until a rare to see newbie finally picks it up. So let the NPC take care of the problem of getting gear into newbie hands. We're selling off the items already as is to NPCs so we don't need a massive increase in price, but what would be nice is for the weapon and armor NPCs to pay more than others so we are motivated to sell to them and it'll be really simple and easy to tell a person to go to the armor and weapon shop for their needs. They're always marked on the map. It also makes sense that a weapon NPC would pay more for an item that interests them than John Doe down the street that deals with cooking would pay. As a matter of fact John Doe cooker should never actually pay period for a weapon but that's a whole other debate of what makes sense and player willingness to run out of their way to sell stuff.

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Now this part of your posting is very good and its an idea on how to fix the issue that so many new players are running into

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Originally Posted by viion

I really think SE should make an NPC in each of the dedicated areas to sell gear around that level.

For example:
Nations 1-30?
Selbina/Mhaura 10-20
Jeuno 20-50
Norg/Rabao etc 50-60.
and so on

Make them affordable, but reduce the sellable price so people cant exploit.

I find it very difficult to get gear as a new player.

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These options are already present...just need to take the time to find them.

Starter nations have all manner of gear available from levels 1-55 from NPC's, some of which can be upgraded easily by a crafter (yourself or friend) to make them a higher level piece (for example, level 7 leather gear upgrades to level 15, or level 30, etc, and level 10 CP upgrades to 15, level 20 upgrades to level 25, etc.). You also can still get some decent gear off mobs (as mentioned earlier), some of which is also upgradable via crafting.

The problem isn't the lack of availability, it is the lack of research and exploration on the players. In case you are unable to figure it out, here's some links to get you started:

Bastok CP gear:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ba...t_Points_Items

A few Bastok Merchants:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zemedars
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Numa
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zhikkom

That's just one NPC from each of Bastok's zones--each of those stores has more than one NPC, each with a different list of items. Each city (even Jueno and the outliying areas of Mhaura, Selbina, Khazaam, Tavnazia, etc.) havfe vendors selling gear and consumable items/crafting materials.

The AH's will be merging soon, so the gear you aren't seeing in your starter city that may be available in other AH's will soon become available to you via the unified AH. Some may find they can make a spot of gil again listing NPC gears available only in their nation and listing it on the AH (some still do this with the level 7 gear, or upgrade it to something like lizard gear and AH it).

Couple all that with the fact that you level twice as fast now outside of abyssea due to the recent XP/FoV tweaks--you don't need to upgrade your gear constantly now. You can easily make a set of gear last 7 levels (or more now, depending on the job/gear). Once you hit @level 60-69 gear (which is still available on the AH), you can pretty much wear most of that (maybe mixed in with some AF) until you hit 78 for the "free" Abyssea gears.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

Make it profitable for crafters to craft.

If you don't want to pay more money than what is obviously not attracting sales on AH, don't complain!

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^ This a thousand times over.

I can craft plenty of low level gear. I don't do it though. Why? Because it's a waste of my time to go hunting for materials and spend 5k to make an armor piece, to put on the AH with a 500g fee (taking up one of my AH slots), when people are just going to complain to high hell if I charge any more than 2k.

RMT are dead. Because of this, the only source for basic materials is other players. Because other players don't go around and harvest nearly as much as RMT did, the supply for these basic materials went down and the prices went up. However, when crafters tried to raise the price of armor to coincide with the price of materials, people flipped shit.

The solution to this is twofold:

1) More low level players need to supply the AH with crafting materials if you expect crafters to make low level gear. We are not going to go out and spend 2 hours mining in Zeruhn just to make gear that sells for 5k.

2) Players need to be willing to pay reasonable prices for armor. I promise, crafters are not trying to jack prices up to rip you off and make 500% profits (at least, most aren't). The majority of price increases on gear come from price increases in materials. It is absolutely not worth my time to craft gear when I am taking a 50% loss by doing so; especially when I can make plenty of gil doing other things instead.

If people are not willing to both supply crafters with materials and to pay for both the materials and the crafter's time (which does include opportunity cost, we could be doing other things if we want gil), then sales will not happen.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

^ This a thousand times over.

I can craft plenty of low level gear. I don't do it though. Why? Because it's a waste of my time to go hunting for materials and spend 5k to make an armor piece, to put on the AH with a 500g fee (taking up one of my AH slots), when people are just going to complain to high hell if I charge any more than 2k.

RMT are dead. Because of this, the only source for basic materials is other players. Because other players don't go around and harvest nearly as much as RMT did, the supply for these basic materials went down and the prices went up. However, when crafters tried to raise the price of armor to coincide with the price of materials, people flipped shit.

The solution to this is twofold:

1) More low level players need to supply the AH with crafting materials if you expect crafters to make low level gear. We are not going to go out and spend 2 hours mining in Zeruhn just to make gear that sells for 5k.

2) Players need to be willing to pay reasonable prices for armor. I promise, crafters are not trying to jack prices up to rip you off and make 500% profits (at least, most aren't). The majority of price increases on gear come from price increases in materials. It is absolutely not worth my time to craft gear when I am taking a 50% loss by doing so; especially when I can make plenty of gil doing other things instead.

If people are not willing to both supply crafters with materials and to pay for both the materials and the crafter's time (which does include opportunity cost, we could be doing other things if we want gil), then sales will not happen.

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or they could... idk.. take the initiative and directly provide the materials they get off mobs to the crafters in the LS. We are constantly seeing people in the shell ask if anyone has WW leveled to make shihei. They make/provide the ink/parchment/crystals. The usual fee is one stack of the results to use/AH.

I also leveled cooking/synergy. The BST in shell continually send me mats to make their pets. Takes me a few minutes to make them a stack (two synths tops). Ask for help sometime, you might be surprised...

Pretty much what GG said, if you want people to put gear on AH then you need to provide mats to either the crafters themselves or on the AH. I have enough money in this stage of the game that I don't need gil, however, I will still craft so my money doesn't decline from the purchase of consumables. Although this presents a problem in itself, seeing as I don't need money I refuse to farm materials so I won't craft stuff unless the items I need to do the craft are on AH. I also won't craft low level gear unless I can make a profit that I feel is worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by RAIST

These options are already present...just need to take the time to find them.

Starter nations have all manner of gear available from levels 1-55 from NPC's, some of which can be upgraded easily by a crafter (yourself or friend) to make them a higher level piece (for example, level 7 leather gear upgrades to level 15, or level 30, etc, and level 10 CP upgrades to 15, level 20 upgrades to level 25, etc.). You also can still get some decent gear off mobs (as mentioned earlier), some of which is also upgradable via crafting.

The problem isn't the lack of availability, it is the lack of research and exploration on the players. In case you are unable to figure it out, here's some links to get you started:

Bastok CP gear:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Ba...t_Points_Items

A few Bastok Merchants:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zemedars
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Numa
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Zhikkom

That's just one NPC from each of Bastok's zones--each of those stores has more than one NPC, each with a different list of items. Each city (even Jueno and the outliying areas of Mhaura, Selbina, Khazaam, Tavnazia, etc.) havfe vendors selling gear and consumable items/crafting materials.

The AH's will be merging soon, so the gear you aren't seeing in your starter city that may be available in other AH's will soon become available to you via the unified AH. Some may find they can make a spot of gil again listing NPC gears available only in their nation and listing it on the AH (some still do this with the level 7 gear, or upgrade it to something like lizard gear and AH it).

Couple all that with the fact that you level twice as fast now outside of abyssea due to the recent XP/FoV tweaks--you don't need to upgrade your gear constantly now. You can easily make a set of gear last 7 levels (or more now, depending on the job/gear). Once you hit @level 60-69 gear (which is still available on the AH), you can pretty much wear most of that (maybe mixed in with some AF) until you hit 78 for the "free" Abyssea gears.

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I saw this but just a few things

1. The prices are ridiculously stupid. They were most likely set high so people wouldnt buy here rather than crafters. But now theres no one crafting these item and the prices are still high, its a lost cause.

2. Conquest points are hard to earn to be spending on gear and you need the missions done, which can be tricky when no one is helping any-more unless you're very lucky to find help, a lot of new players can be easily stuck prior to rank 3.

3. Crafting currently has zero appeal for new players, infact in my entire 5 years playing prior to quitting I never crafted once and I don't now as it just takes too much time and I'm a casual player.

4. It isn't much about no gear on starter AH's its about the whole scene. There is lacking amounts of gear anywhere even Jeuno and the gear that is in, is usually over priced due to low quantities and a greedy player base (but that's just life).

Now it is true you do level quite fast compared to before but I was stuck in level 1 gear all the way to 22+ until someone donated their old gear to me, a full set! I had collected 30k and people were selling low level gear for almost same price as venders! I could upgrade my weapon and buy body/legs with that, if I'm lucky.

Those who are not new or not returning have absolute no idea how difficult it is for a new player. You think its all just a breeze "do this, get this and viola!" but its difficult.

no gil
no skills
no spells
no armor
no parties
no chocobo
no teleporting
no friends
no linkshell
ziltch.

Also just to put it out there, a game shouldn't force you off game in order to figure out stuff. I love clopedia but thats because im a returning player and know of it, but a new player will not know it and will become frustrated being in this crappy situation

Oh please it's a joke to make gil atm. I know when I buy simple materials off AH because I'm lazy the prices are gouged to a huge amount. I was paying 5k/ea recently for Tiger Hides which is something a low level person could farm easily. I also had to pay 35k for a stack of silver ingots recently, something that you can make fairly easily using a vendor if you actually need to make a little money. Money is so much easier to make now than it was in the past; new people complaining about prices don't know how things were. I'll admit prices have went up, however, so has the price of everything else including what can be sold by a new character.

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Originally Posted by Kazen

Oh please it's a joke to make gil atm. I know when I buy simple materials off AH because I'm lazy the prices are gouged to a huge amount. I was paying 5k/ea recently for Tiger Hides which is something a low level person could farm easily. I also had to pay 35k for a stack of silver ingots recently, something that you can make fairly easily using a vendor if you actually need to make a little money. Money is so much easier to make now than it was in the past; new people complaining about prices don't know how things were. I'll admit prices have went up, however, so has the price of everything else including what can be sold by a new character.

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Tiger Hide = 1k my server Drops from level 25 tigers in Jugner with 10% droprate, so I'd have to kill 10 to make 1k (And thats just statistically not guaranteed). I'd also have to be level 30 to kill effectively as even at 20 they 3 shotted me. Remember, new player has NO money, NO gear, NO skills, most likely NO or low Subjob, Low level weapon. etc. Extremely difficult to kill tigers when you're so unbelievably weak as a new character.

For the Silver Ingots I'd need the money to get goldsmithing to 20.

Both stupid ways to make money

Crystals. Gardening. It's not hard at all to scan FFXIAH for things that sell well at decent prices on your server that you can farm at low levels. Beehive chips were fairly good money way back when.

Leveling low tier crafts is a joke. If you care enough, you can just harvest/mine to get materials to take them to 20~ish without any issue while making a profit. It may take longer, but if you won't pursue any other means to get gil then it's better than nothing.

Wind Crystals 4k/stack
Grass cloth 5k/stack
Grass thread 4k/stack
Silk thread 6k/stack
Copper Ingots 10k/stack
Bronze ingots 5k/stack
Darksteel ore 8k/each
Gold ore 7k/each
Beehive chips 4k/stack

I like how you instantly refer to FFXIAH, as stated before. A NEW player will NOT know these sites, and shouldn't be forced OFF GAME in order to progress. Its just stupid. You should be able to find it all out in game very easily, making a new player not feel frustrated.

Yes beehive chips are good, but does a new player know this!? NO so its pointless.

You can keep posting "here is my way woot", is your post on some kind of billboard ingame that everyone can see? No so its pointless. I personally know ways to make gil when im further on, but thats because i have years of experience and knowledge, but as i keep saying a new player doesnt and the game is unwelcoming and unfriendly to those.

You say harvest/mine, no one is selling the mining tools and how do I get money for those!? lol. As they'll break often, plus its extremely time consuming and I garauntee you most new players are casual. hardcore players are either already playing or not playing (thus playing other games).

Crystals are good, but just to point out, I collected 15 stacks, which could have made me a nice 75k, but NOPE because the MISSIONS need them, so I've lost them all in order to just do the missions. So until I'm like rank 6 crystals are not much of a selling point for me unless I dont plan on doing any missions, but personally I want to so I'm forced with a penalty.

But even 75k doesn't stretch far. Remember: Low Qauntity of items meaning less items, less choice, and higher prices as demand is still medium.

Funny I didn't use FFXIAH, I looked directly on the AH I'm currently standing at to see what things that drop from low level mobs I could farm. FFXIAH/wiki didn't exist when I started this game and I did the exact same thing I did just now to find out what to farm.

As for mining tools, who buys those from AH? You buy them from a vendor which is located in each of the starting cities. When I started this game I farmed silk to buy mining tools which I then took to Zeruhn and Gusgen to make a much larger profit. While mining I leveled my smithing to make iron/bronze/etc ingots as I farmed to further increase my profits. I mined every time I played for about 1hr. I'm only posting this for fun but Iron Ingots 40k/stack.

Beehive Chips, crystals (don't forget Signet!), Silk Thread, Wild Onions, Gardening seeds (to sell, as a new account has crap gardening for 90 days), Sheep Skins, gil from beastmen mobs (may not be much but every little bit helps), some scrolls.

Some NM's exist in the starter (or near starter) cities that have (some) good drops, either for selling or using.

There's also some rewarding quests that can be done easily. There's also fishing, crafting and synergy and HELM.

All of this is off the top of my head without much thought at all, and all contained within either the starting cities or their immediate outdoor areas (Sarutabaruta, Gustaberg and Ronfaure) Most is applicable to people under level 10, certain NM's may be an exception. There's plenty of ways to make gil in the low levels, despite how much you (or anyone else) may or may not like the methods. Some of the stuff you may have to look up and do a bit of research, or perhaps prerequisite quests (also involving research).

Low levels for new players was never about speeding through the levels as fast as you could (if you wanted to gear yourself and be good), I have no idea why people seem to think this has changed. And while it's true that buying from the NPC's may be more expensive, leveling is also exceedingly faster than it used to be, making the minor incremental upgrades you'd get every few levels less important, as it may be better to wait a tad longer for something (comparatively) cheaper and/or more useful. And those who say it may be more dangerous to solo.... tackle slightly lower level FoV pages.

Umm Kazen, obviously I wasnt talking to you, read above your post.....

this is just getting stupid now, you have existing players thinking its easy "just do this get this" when its easier said than done. No existing player has any idea how difficult it is for a new player and your post all just results in a complete waste because most suggestions are just out of reach for a very long time for new players. Also added onto the list of having absolute nothing, understand the drop rate sucks, to get some gear 20+ by just beehive chips would take 10hours on my server due to bad drop rate and that i'd be in level 1 gear with most likely level 1 weapon, trying to kill and avoid aggro from anything else (yagudos for example)

Ya'll like spoilt rich folk who dont realise how tough the poor life is.

And FYI there are much-much easier ways to make a lot more gil than suggestions being said, but all require knowledge and websites, which a new player wouldn't have and shouldn't be forced to use (Respectively)

Not to mention Playonline site still has no direct link to the forum (other thanthe news post which will fade away soon) so new players will soon not realise a forum exists and never be able to ask.

If gil was so easy, people wouldnt be requesting changes and asking how to make gil all the god damn time.

Great Scott, players who read community websites have more information on hand than players who don't.

FFXI has always been a community oriented game. It's not going to hold your hand. There is plenty of information out there for those who look for it. No, the game may not link you to ffxiah; but any player with half a brain will.

Anyone can make gil just doing random shit and NPC'ing things. It's an income. If they want to know about better ways to make a more efficient income, they ask other people (who would direct them to community sites), they read community sites, or they try things out for themselves.

Gil is easy to make if you know how. If you don't know how, you look it up. If you don't know where to look, you ask. If you can't ask, you're retarded. I don't care if you're new or not; it's not hard to ask where to find information about the game.

Chub dont even bother with "help posts" people here are flame trolling wannabes who think they know everything. This forum is 10% useful 90% of an eye strain.

Just deal with it your way and move on

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Originally Posted by viion

I saw this but just a few things

1. The prices are ridiculously stupid. They were most likely set high so people wouldnt buy here rather than crafters. But now theres no one crafting these item and the prices are still high, its a lost cause.

2. Conquest points are hard to earn to be spending on gear and you need the missions done, which can be tricky when no one is helping any-more unless you're very lucky to find help, a lot of new players can be easily stuck prior to rank 3.

3. Crafting currently has zero appeal for new players, infact in my entire 5 years playing prior to quitting I never crafted once and I don't now as it just takes too much time and I'm a casual player.

4. It isn't much about no gear on starter AH's its about the whole scene. There is lacking amounts of gear anywhere even Jeuno and the gear that is in, is usually over priced due to low quantities and a greedy player base (but that's just life).

Now it is true you do level quite fast compared to before but I was stuck in level 1 gear all the way to 22+ until someone donated their old gear to me, a full set! I had collected 30k and people were selling low level gear for almost same price as venders! I could upgrade my weapon and buy body/legs with that, if I'm lucky.

Those who are not new or not returning have absolute no idea how difficult it is for a new player. You think its all just a breeze "do this, get this and viola!" but its difficult.

no gil
no skills
no spells
no armor
no parties
no chocobo
no teleporting
no friends
no linkshell
ziltch.

Also just to put it out there, a game shouldn't force you off game in order to figure out stuff. I love clopedia but thats because im a returning player and know of it, but a new player will not know it and will become frustrated being in this crappy situation

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Man i got to say.... You hit the nail for sure. maybe i should have taken the time to type as much as you did and how you did, but thank you for putting it in the words needed to be said.

If you care that much about using community sites, you can look on the actual auction house and find things that sell frequently for a decent amount of gil and farm them.

What is this? People who don't want to bother learning effective strategies from other people will actually have to apply a modicum of effort to learn some themselves?

Inconceivable.

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Originally Posted by Gennadi

Chub dont even bother with "help posts" people here are flame trolling wannabes who think they know everything. This forum is 10% useful 90% of an eye strain.

Just deal with it your way and move on

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GENNADI!!!! nice to see you.... I understand what you mean. Its tough though. There are too few players like you and i left i guess.

This post wasnt a help post but a try to get SE to see what is happening to new players. It was also to reach out for ideas on how to make it better for them also. It seems it turned to "How i make money" and you suck if you cant do it crap.. Well if it gets to one person SE side and they see it, maybe it can make a difference.

I just wish there could be open thought on fixing something, not bashing. Ive only seen what 3 real ideas on how we can improve it....

I knew about various sites before I even started the game... why? Because I googled the game first before I even bought it just to see how it was doing since I came to it several years late (got the gold Vanadiel combo pack with COP included)--and I got hits on cyclopedia, ZAM, crafting timers, all kinds of stuff in a 10 second search (had a slow PC at the time).

Anyone who plays games on a regular basis and uses either a store/ebay bought game guide or the internet to look anything up about their games would know how to find this kind of information, which I would hazard a guess is most any normal MMO player would be inclined to do. Even if they didn't have anything to guide them, inevitably people in an LS or party would eventually point them to the info online when they started asking questions. To say a new player wouldn't gain access to this info is laughable at best.

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1. The prices are ridiculously stupid. They were most likely set high so people wouldnt buy here rather than crafters. But now theres no one crafting these item and the prices are still high, its a lost cause.

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Those items can be crafted by the veterans if they would just ask. It may very well cost them the same amount to get the items crafted if they have to purchase the materials to get them crafted by someone. So, either they farm mats to send to a crafter, or they farm the gil to buy things from the AH or NPC. Either way, they still have to fork out either the time or the gil...pee in one hand, poop in the other to see which fills faster scenario.

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2. Conquest points are hard to earn to be spending on gear and you need the missions done, which can be tricky when no one is helping any-more unless you're very lucky to find help, a lot of new players can be easily stuck prior to rank

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CP is gained at twice the rate as before. You can get 12 points a kill off an EP. If you are in a party killing stuff for upwards of 200 a kill, you are getting over a hundred CP per chain5. CP is not that hard to come by. As for getting rank missions done--you are uncapped all the way to Airship Pass now. Pretty much all you need now is help from one veteran player to get each one done. Are you saying they can't find ONE person in the shell to help? I find that hard to believe. I know we are a tight knit group in my shell... but still, I doubt people are so freaking selfish they won't go help do a fight that only takes 3 minutes in some cases--if so, they may need to look for a new shell.

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3. Crafting currently has zero appeal for new players, infact in my entire 5 years playing prior to quitting I never crafted once and I don't now as it just takes too much time and I'm a casual player.

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That's just misleading information all around. I sent 3 stacks of ice crystals to an lsmate who needed some gil. By lunchtime the next day, he was at 4 alchemy and had 20k gil in his inbox from selling his wares. Crafting is not hard to skill up to level 30 or so, and if you do it right it pays for itself along the way. 10 Minutes of research saves you a butt-load of time and may net you double the return.

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4. It isn't much about no gear on starter AH's its about the whole scene. There is lacking amounts of gear anywhere even Jeuno and the gear that is in, is usually over priced due to low quantities and a greedy player base (but that's just life).

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Again...it's not a greedy player base as much as the cost of the raw materials. Stuff used to sell lower because the raw materials were more readily available. Case in point: Meat Mithkabobs. People used to regularly farm the mats to make them and sell them on the AH for quick gil. Prices were kept low to keep them selling faster, thus making more money. Kabobs were cooked and sold for a profit to offset the expense. Now, those mats are farmed/sold less often and the price has gone up. It is easier to just pawn the cockatrice meat at times because the AH is just too full and the price drops. But...the cost of wild onions has doubled because of the high demand and low supply. If more people were farming gobs and listing them--onions would drop from 20k a stack back to 10/11k again, and the price of kabobs would drop accordingly. And guess where the most popular mobs for onions are? Close to the starter cities, where most of these crafters are not hanging out. Hmmm.... wonder if the lower level players might benefit from farming onions and selling them....just a thought.

The problem isn't so much with laziness with the veterans, as laziness with the starters. This game is not designed to be a walk in the park for someone to solo their way through it. It is SUPPOSED to present some sort of challenge that encourages people to work together to progress. If they are having trouble getting stuff done, perhaps they need to ask around. If they don't get help from one group, then they need to seek out another group.

Take some initiative and stop expecting the developers to do all the work for you...

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

GENNADI!!!! nice to see you.... I understand what you mean. Its tough though. There are too few players like you and i left i guess.

This post wasnt a help post but a try to get SE to see what is happening to new players. It was also to reach out for ideas on how to make it better for them also. It seems it turned to "How i make money" and you suck if you cant do it crap.. Well if it gets to one person SE side and they see it, maybe it can make a difference.

I just wish there could be open thought on fixing something, not bashing. Ive only seen what 3 real ideas on how we can improve it....

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I don't think anyone is bashing, and I don't think anyone is saying that making it easier would be bad.

Just that it's... not necessary, since it's not. There's a ridiculous amount of ways to make gil, and many ways to learn about it, even without having to look a a single website.

It'd be nice, sure, but in no way is it as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

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I don't think anyone is bashing, and I don't think anyone is saying that making it easier would be bad.

Just that it's... not necessary, since it's not. There's a ridiculous amount of ways to make gil, and many ways to learn about it, even without having to look a a single website.

It'd be nice, sure, but in no way is it as big a deal as it's being made out to be.

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THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

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Jesus christ. What is wrong with you people.. This isnt a bash on anything thread, its not even a CRAFTING thread, its an idea thread to help solve the issue for new players who dont have the same beginnings players have had for years. Get off the crap and come up with IDEAS on how to make it better. No BS of lazy or effort or anything like that. 5 years ago AH was FULL. AH is a ghost town now. I want to play this game for many more years and if we dont find ways to solve things then we will lose the new blood and all of players who have been around since the beginning will have to find another game to play.

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I understand your plight, however if you would use your critical thinking skills, and put down your "DON'T FLAME ME ELL OH ELL!!!!111one" shield, you would have understood the point I was trying to make.

Since this is a public forum, and also my right to disagree with you, I'll write it point blank. Nothing needs to be fixed. Gear is incredibly easy to get if people would (and this might shock you here, but hey! It's an IDEA!) STOP RELYING ON SQUARE-ENIX TO FIX THINGS THAT AREN'T BROKEN, AND DO A LITTLE WORK FOR THEMSELVES. You have all the tools available to excel at this game available to you. You just need to earn it.

Give a man a fish and he eats for a day... Teach a man to fish and... you know the rest.

Edited because I suck at the internet.

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Originally Posted by chubrocka

THIS IS NOT ABOUT MAKING MONEY in anyway shape or form.... please people READ the post. Not the OFF TOPIC subs people seem to be adding or making.

Sorry Fiarlia, this wasnt meant to you personally. It is said in general

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Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

Read what we're writing. You can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for you/returning players/new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try following some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

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WoW.. maybe this will help you understand. Ive been playing this game for 7 years. I dont need anything. Im not trying to get anything. What you and others are not understanding/seeing/reading is that we need to do something for NEWER players to be able to have the same or close to in usage of an AH. This has Nothing to do with ME or my play style.

I missed one tiny point that you were talking about others and not yourself and you completely ignored the rest of my entire post, which itself is still completely valid when applied to new players.

Here, then, I'll repost it and not direct it at you as a person, but rather to new players, try rereading it again and see if you can get the point.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

Read what we're writing. New players can currently acquire gear with gil, be it on the AH if it's up, from an NPC if it's not, or farm/buy the materials and find a crafter. Or one of the various (and I mean lots by that) other methods mentioned.

Nothing at all is broken. Nothing. This is not a flame, because I certainly wouldn't be opposed to making it easier for lower leveled new players to gear themselves. The point is that this is not really necessary because it's already pretty easy, as evidenced by countless posts and people in this very thread.

Nice? Yes.
Necessary? No.
As big a deal as you're making it out to be? Absolutely not.
Ways to get gear already implemented? Many.
Have examples been given? Yes.
Do ways exist for new players to find this information? Absolutely.
Do these ways to learn how exist in game and out? Yep.

Seriously, chill out, and instead of continuing to argue about whether it's hard or not and screaming that people aren't reading your original post try understanding that new players can follow some of the advice listed (generally involves making money, hence the number of posts directed at the subject).

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To Chubrocka

Then please explain why you're getting so offensive? No one is berating you. No one is calling your ideas absurd or ridiculous. You posted a VALID argument for your original post, however that's all it is... an Argument. In such, people will argue with you. We have the right to disagree with you as much as your right to be offended by everything we say. Given that you've played for 7 years (I'm right there with you) then you know how things were. Camping AIR ELEMENTAL spawn points just to make a few gil to buy a spell or two from a vendor. Farming ridiculous amounts of silk threads, wild onions, and beehive chips to make ends meet. Camping Valkurm Emperor, Leaping Lizzy, Hoo Mjuu the Torrent, and Mee Deggi for days upon weeks on end just for a CHANCE at getting a drop for gear. Did you quit playing because it was trying?

Bottom line up front, no. You didn't. And neither did I. This game isn't hard, and there's nothing that needs to be fixed for new players. I'll play the devil's advocate here and agree with you that crafting is a thing of the past. However, there are still crafters out there that will make whatever you want if you can provide the materials to do so. Changing the way low-mid level gear is obtained will entirely negate all the hard work crafters have put in to their field to make the items that no one wants anyways.

This game is all about incentives. If you GIVE things to people, or make things stupid easy to get, you'll just get a huge flux of perma-noobs with lack-luster skill, and the Veruka Salt mentality. (I'm talking to YOU Abyssea). My point is that I'd like to see things revert back to their roots.

You get out what you put in.

P.S.

"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

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"WoW"? Typo, or Subtle analogy?

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Freudian Slip? >___________>

I hope that SE takes notice that a lot of people would like gear to be made available from the NPCs. Other MMOs do this. I know 11 isn't WoW, Aion, Rift but SE took a look at other MMOs when making 14. I'm sure one person must have said: maybe we should put something like this in 11.

Gear is already available from NPCs. They are just at prices made in such a way that they would not interfere with crafters who would be unable to sell their wares at all the NPCs sold it cheaply. This is why the NPCs are priced in such a way, and it is still valid today.

Maybe they could add more choices to conquest armor...

but I don't think the low level armor is horribly broken...

If you want a piece of armor and its not on the AH.. find a crafter or lvl up a craft ;o