[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Step forward.

I understand people Don't have stockpiles of kindred seals, But are you saying you can't join a shout? The way it sounds there could be multiple pops per KSNM so you could get lucky on one. Or, Do you have no friends either? I can't imagine out of all your massive large stocks of friends none of them have a few Kindred seals to help you get a Black Belt?

But really, Theres that narrow-mindedness. You're only thinking "Some people dont have Kindred seals!" instead of "Some people have plenty!"

As with the old system, There are people left out. The old system, one group/person per day had one chance at the drop. Everyone else is screwed.

in this system, Everyone has a chance to kill the NM. As Often as they want (*Seals Permitting). So like the old system, those without seals can fall behind, But in the end, More people have a shot at the NM. More people have a chance to kill it than the old system.

FORWARD STEP. MARCH.

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you do not that people will make shouts, assuming what people will do is invalid, and what if people shout when i have ls events?

this is 1 step forward, 2 steps back

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Originally Posted by Siiri

Sounds like you had bad luck for sure on KSNM99 egg. That really sucks but I don't think it is representative of drop rate in general. Unfortunately the random number generator can spin that way at times. I was very bitter at Dynamis when we didn't see a black mage hat in 12 months going to xarc 2 times a month. Personally I would never sweat out an item like that again. Good luck getting your egg, it really isn't to hard to claim NQ turtle on Bismarck, but people may go crazy camping with these changes.

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we will see, let you know how it goes,... assuming you care

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

Making the triggers rare/ex will just hinder people trying to acquire the items from the hnm's

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Taking "Ex" off the item also opens up a whole new shitcan of players farming the items just so they can bazaar them in Jeuno or toss them up on the AH.

Also, IMO... Either of these is acceptable:

1: KS99 - 100% drop rate on Behemoth pop item.
2: Behemoth - ~50% drop rate on King Behemoth pop item.
3: King Behemoth - 100% drop rate on Behemoth tongue.

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1: KS99 - 100% drop rate on Behemoth pop item.
2: Behemoth - 100% drop rate on King Behemoth pop item.
3: King Behemoth - 50% drop rate on Behemoth Tongue.

I'd just remove the Black Belt items from the KS99 and make it a really good chance of getting the HQ King + Black Belt item for the effort.

While I don't care at all about these NMs, I'd like to point out that I never got many seals at all leveling. I believe I haven't farmed KS a single time, and leveled 2 jobs to 75 in the old days, and have had a total of about 200 seals in that time. Assuming we have any other casuals playing and wanting BB, they'd have to level 3 jobs to 75 to even get 1 pop item per HNM, and then they'd have like 10% chance at the drops.

Only insane people have ever had over 500 seals. (And with insane, I mean people who play FFXI all days)

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Originally Posted by Rambus

QQ bbbbaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww

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I swear to god you whine and complain almost as much as Krystal.

Something that I didn't see mentionned is that mobs can also drops beastmen's seal, so this double farming time.

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

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Only insane people have ever had over 500 seals. (And with insane, I mean people who play FFXI all days)

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Or people who solo'd beastmaster to 75.

I've read it all.... every single post for 29 pages barring what may be posted while I type this.

Both sides have valid arguments, both sides are right in some respects. But I feel the need to point out I am at 346KS + 27 in my inventory. I solo a LOT, almost obsessively, outside Abyssea. Not because I hate Abyssea (I'm not fond of keying but it IS the fastest way to level), but because between school and my LS's recent player-loss I have much fewer friends readily available, and much less time to monopolize with the few who haven't changed shells or quit. In the course of 3 years I have only done 2 ODS, meaning the number of seals you see is the total for soloing Dancer to 75 (and then some) and Summoner to 66 minus those 2 runs (as well as my Magian gains). And while I have yet to do the KS99, I do hang out with my brother who does them every once in a while. I have seen his group (all of whom who are veteran players with excellent gear) wipe a few times to badly timed spells or TP moves. The fact is: The KS99s can (or sometimes are) be harder than the regular NMs. On top of this, no drop at all on NQ hurts because even with spamming there is no guarantee of HQ drops. Seals are uncommon even at the best standards (being 50-80 [or 75 I think] only), and 99 is a bit far. I have 4 Magian daggers to completion, and a Wind Perpetuation staff to the first Garuda kill stage. It is too far, unless you devote hours (the very same spent camping a NM) on getting the seals for a drop.

As for being an improvement, all it did was make them open whenever. It did nothing to reduce the time investment. I pity you 3AM campers, I really do. That's too much for me to do. So if you can burn up the seals, great! But what about players like me? I have few KS, and 297 (with the greatest luck evah!) is nearly everything I have. I'd like to know what SE plans for that very, very fast eventuality. At best guess I think maybe 10% of the current population has in excess of 1000KS, and 40% has excess of 500K. That's 60% with less than 500, which means 60% will only have around 1 chance WITHOUT leeching or buying. Oh, and nearly all gil drops are dead, so getting 3mil+ is still relatively time consuming.

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And.... here comes the "you're so wrong, this is the best thing ever!" hate speech.

Can the devs be clearer about the possiblity getting more than one NQ pop item per KS99 ? Only the US version says that at least one pop item will drop in the pool while german and french only say pop item for each NM are 100%.

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At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

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Ces objets apparaîtront systématiquement dans le butin à la fin de chaque combat.

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Diese Items befinden sich beim Sieg über die Monster mit 100% Wahrscheinlichkeit im Beutepool.

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Somehow I feel that the 100% droprate is the only correct one ...

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Originally Posted by CrystalWeapon

Or people who solo'd beastmaster to 75.

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Agreed!

I just checked my stash and have 931 KS + an unused orb in storage. Have 1656 bs

All cause of the power of bst and /bst

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Originally Posted by Kari

I for one think this is the worst thing they could possibly do.
The HNMs need to be less annoying to camp, not more annoying to pop.

Making them pop spawns and all is fine, however now you're REQUIRED to do the KS99, which is harder than the NQ spawns, to get a drop that may not be 100%, to pop the NQ version and get another drop, that may also not be 100%, to pop the HQ and hope for the BB item, which is assured to not be 100%.
Worst update that they've hit us with in a while.

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SE needs to stop being an evil genie with this giving us what we wanted in the most twisted vile way possible. This just screams "lets make the player base argue with each other".

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Originally Posted by InfamousDS

I've read it all.... every single post for 29 pages barring what may be posted while I type this.

Both sides have valid arguments, both sides are right in some respects. But I feel the need to point out I am at 346KS + 27 in my inventory. I solo a LOT, almost obsessively, outside Abyssea. Not because I hate Abyssea (I'm not fond of keying but it IS the fastest way to level), but because between school and my LS's recent player-loss I have much fewer friends readily available, and much less time to monopolize with the few who haven't changed shells or quit. In the course of 3 years I have only done 2 ODS, meaning the number of seals you see is the total for soloing Dancer to 75 (and then some) and Summoner to 66 minus those 2 runs (as well as my Magian gains). And while I have yet to do the KS99, I do hang out with my brother who does them every once in a while. I have seen his group (all of whom who are veteran players with excellent gear) wipe a few times to badly timed spells or TP moves. The fact is: The KS99s can (or sometimes are) be harder than the regular NMs. On top of this, no drop at all on NQ hurts because even with spamming there is no guarantee of HQ drops. Seals are uncommon even at the best standards (being 50-80 [or 75 I think] only), and 99 is a bit far. I have 4 Magian daggers to completion, and a Wind Perpetuation staff to the first Garuda kill stage. It is too far, unless you devote hours (the very same spent camping a NM) on getting the seals for a drop.

As for being an improvement, all it did was make them open whenever. It did nothing to reduce the time investment. I pity you 3AM campers, I really do. That's too much for me to do. So if you can burn up the seals, great! But what about players like me? I have few KS, and 297 (with the greatest luck evah!) is nearly everything I have. I'd like to know what SE plans for that very, very fast eventuality. At best guess I think maybe 10% of the current population has in excess of 1000KS, and 40% has excess of 500K. That's 60% with less than 500, which means 60% will only have around 1 chance WITHOUT leeching or buying. Oh, and nearly all gil drops are dead, so getting 3mil+ is still relatively time consuming.

End of Post.

And.... here comes the "you're so wrong, this is the best thing ever!" hate speech.

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I have 219 KS, this is spending maybe 5 99's

this is comming from a person with 19- level 90s, cap exp before abyssea, around 800 merits then, 1400 ish now.

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Originally Posted by GlobalVariable

SE needs to stop being an evil genie with this giving us what we wanted in the most twisted vile way possible. This just screams "lets make the player base argue with each other".

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reminds me of that one movie about that guy that sold his sole to the devil that stuck him with stuff he did not want.

"I want to be the president of the US"
*pops he is Lincoln before the assassination*
"I want to be rich , writer,"... something of that effect
he pops in his wish gay.
“I wish to be rich/powerful”
Ends up being a drug lord in mexico or something

To everyone who complains about how hard it is to obtained 99 KS and beat the KSNM. Have no fear, cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly! Until then get farming crybabys.

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Originally Posted by Trollinthedungeon

To everyone who complains about how hard it is to obtained 99 KS and beat the KSNM. Have no fear, cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly! Until then get farming crybabys.

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I do not care about that, I would rather have this "update" not exist.

I see it as making it worse with how things are stated.

I see someone put a lot of thought into their user name.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

reminds me of that one movie about that guy that sold his sole to the devil that stuck him with stuff he did not want.

"I want to be the president of the US"
*pops he is Lincoln before the assassination*
"I want to be rich , writer,"... something of that effect
he pops in his wish gay.
“I wish to be rich/powerful”
Ends up being a drug lord in mexico or something

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I seriously think they set us up to have these long flame fest threads so we complain at each other instead of them. I mean look at Trollinthedungeon's post;

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Originally Posted by Trollinthedungeon

cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly!

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that is exactly the kind of thing I expected before I even read the thread. For years the bottle neck was botting. Its clear that was allowed to go on just for the sake of having a bottle neck that wasn't their fault (players woul blame cheaters/RMT not SE, while saying SE can't detect/prove it) and now that land kings are very dead, they get an update to re-bottleneck black belt specifically.

On my server I had seen these hit the dirt if nobody was present to purchase them off the botting LS. I can never find any friends willing and able to do the KSNM. They never have seals and don't want to go without an orb. I have 650 ish seals left and they haven't dropped for me yet. And pretty much the only people that ever answer the shouts want the same thing I do. At least HQ kings were 100%...We all know or have been that guy that goes 0/200 on some drop. Thats me on almost everything that is random. I'm just not a lucky guy.

And now to await being flamed and told I want everything handed to me for no work.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

It said nothing about KS99 BB items being removed.

Stop being stupid.

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Oh so now having an opinion warrants a personal attack? May be I'll report you to site admin. Sick of people like you calling names because you don't agree with someones opinion.

My only real problem with this change and entirely the reason why I even bother posting about it, is that people are gloating that it's been made harder to obtain the BB, masking it with the word "easier". Like, ha-haaaa, that'll teach you to bitch at us botters for all those years of blocking you. Hope you enjoy your BB hunting now!

Really, it cannot get any easier than sitting around for 3 hours waiting for a HNM to pop. To say this is making things easier is pure pipe dreaming. What it does do is permit players to go after these monsters on their own time instead of the games time. That's a huge plus. But it's a far cry from making black belt any easier to obtain than it already is.... once your current supply of kindred seals are used up, of course.

Hell for all we know it really is going to be THAT easy. If you've got at least some seals saved, you may very well be set. The problem here is that we don't know what the drop rate on BB items will be. If it's low.... yeah, it's going to be harder than the way things are now. If it's still decently high... then sure, why not, BB just got mega easier. It's all just speculation at this point, plain and simple. The reps are probably reading all of our posts and going, "lol if they only knew the new drop rate for BB items are 50% now. Lol I remember when Abyssea was first released and everyone thought they were restricted to 30 minutes per day. Lol people are quick to jump to conclusions. Lol etc."

Speculation and assumptions never does anyone any real good, but I guess it's better than being bored to death.

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

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Originally Posted by Rambus

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

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I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

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old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

Love the changes.. just felt the need to say that to counter out rambus's tirade >_>

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Originally Posted by Rambus

old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.

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As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

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I only see people shouting for KB KSNM groups for the KB path ( meaning no one will do apsid because everyone will want D ring)

the result of this update with meny factors that are put into it will make getting BB items harder, well egg anyway.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the shit happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

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telling people to go level in old area for KS??? that joke? that does not fix the dommance of abyssea did to this game.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

I only see people shouting for KB KSNM groups for the KB path ( meaning no one will do apsid because everyone will want D ring)

the result of this update with meny factors that are put into it will make getting BB items harder, well egg anyway.




telling people to go level in old area for KS??? that joke? that does not fix the dommance of abyssea did to this game.

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People who want Black Belt items will shout for all 3. If its not, Ask your friendslist for help. I'm sure they will. Build your own or join one!

Also, Leveling in Old Areas is quite enjoyable these days, Exp flies faster than it used too. Also, you can skill up crappy weapons for it too :D!

The problem i see is that Kindred Seals are the worst of the "seals" to obtain. At low levels you're going to get Beastmen Seals, at mid to high levels you'll get a mixture of Beastmen and Kindred Seals, at high levels you'll be getting Kindred Crests.
There is no real way to farm just Kindred Seals. I did a lot of leveling back at the lvl 75 cap and have very few Kindred Seals to show for it.
No matter how you look at it, farming for Seals (of any kind) is far from efficient, players with the ability to do KSNMs will dry up quickly, leaving these items extremely difficult to obtain.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

People who want Black Belt items will shout for all 3. If its not, Ask your friendslist for help. I'm sure they will. Build your own or join one!

Also, Leveling in Old Areas is quite enjoyable these days, Exp flies faster than it used too. Also, you can skill up crappy weapons for it too :D!

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you can only skill up high end like 320 ish +? i think abyssea only

Ugh this thread makes my blood hurt...

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Originally Posted by Twille

The problem i see is that Kindred Seals are the worst of the "seals" to obtain. At low levels you're going to get Beastmen Seals, at mid to high levels you'll get a mixture of Beastmen and Kindred Seals, at high levels you'll be getting Kindred Crests.
There is no real way to farm just Kindred Seals. I did a lot of leveling back at the lvl 75 cap and have very few Kindred Seals to show for it.
No matter how you look at it, farming for Seals (of any kind) is far from efficient, players with the ability to do KSNMs will dry up quickly, leaving these items extremely difficult to obtain.

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FoV pages in Cape Teriggan (5 pages total) at level 68/69 gained me 11 Kindred Seals, 4 Beastman Seals. They drop like candy now, plus, the xp is awesome and skill ups are great too. I see no issue at all in getting them, you'll just have to xp outside of Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd.

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Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.

I really hope they increase the level on the NQ/HQ mobs keeping the KS99 mobs the same. If for not other reason the hilarity of seeing people wipe to what used difficult first time NM fights.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

No it is not.

Old way > new way for getting BB items chance.

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If the old way is better then how is it you spent 5 years building a Yochi but couldn't be bothered to spend three damn hours a day camping NQ mobs for Black Belt? You finally decided to go after an egg after the system is now being changed. You obviously didn't think it was worth the effort to camp NQ with the drop rate being crap as it is so I'm surprised that all of a sudden it's important to you to go after it now that the spawn conditions are being made better.

I still don't agree with it being better, but I've come to realize that these people can have fun with their obsolete gear when we're all getting shiny new gear.

ehh I've tried claiming hnm's before.. even a couple weeks ago i tried to claim adamantoise 4 days in a row..

could never manage to get claim...

I'd rather just farm up kindred seals than deal with the hassle of wasting 3 hours to not even get to fight something

Overall I could see this bringing more black belt items into the game than the old system... multiple kings each day vs one king per day... its obviously gonna increase the items hah

If the triggers are bazaarable then it wouldn't be a huge hassle to get a kings trigger if you don't have a huge stockpile of kindred seals

Love the crying in this thread. Considering 90% of you cried for force pop, you don't seem to be enjoying the result of your endeavors.

Maybe next time you'll think before you ask for something you assume will make life easier for you.

This isn't an improvement, it's a retarded kick in the balls to monks that are still struggling to get BB, and only a partial solution to the trolls who have everything handed to them on a silver platter. I can't say I didn't expect it of SE, their track record has been piss-poor forever. They didn't even bother to confirm whether BB items will still drop from the KS99's or not, which can only be assumed that it won't drop anymore. The mobs are still incredibly camped by huge groups of people, and now the zones AND the KS areas are going to be congested to hell. SE, this is a farcry from what anyone has wanted, to make matters worse you created these forums yet you don't listen to the player base or ask for their feedback before coming up with these silly and outrageous changes... Thanks SE, yet another reason for people to stop playing the game. It's no wonder you have to start merging servers again, you're chasing players away with everything you do...

Been trying to get turtle for months, and the large group of campers I have to compete daily with has never changed, only increased in size. This update is pathetic and doesn't address the issues at all.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

you do not that people will make shouts, assuming what people will do is invalid, and what if people shout when i have ls events?

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what if hnm windows are when i have LSevent ? odds to see a shout when no LSevent (and on line) are way bigger than odd of windows open

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Originally Posted by Rambus

it is only an improvement if you assume people have a large store of seals, which is not fair. so i call that an invalid argument.

you take more time farming for KS and trying to get BB drop with old system then new system.

old:
you camp NM for 3 hours, good chance of egg.
you farm 99 KSNM for small chance of egg.

new:
you farm 99 KS, small chance of drop.
you get pop item
you get chance of HQ drop.
you have even smaller chance of drop.

it is a step back

or you can only camp witch is less time then farming for ksnm seals ( TIME YOU HAVE TO SPEND PLAYING, not real time of omg we can do more then one in a day)

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i got more than 99 KS killing monster between windows while camping ada and not a single egg on the one I claimed!
if you camp with >2 friends just split your pt in allis of 3pts to get more ks

I'll take my chances with KS99's. I have absolutely no issues with getting KS and no issues getting the help to do the KS's, at least not now. Thank you LS :) Drop rates are less than 30% for BB items, but, I choose to look on the bright side. Good luck to all of us career MNK's on finishing BB.

SE has listened to all the people who have said there is no content outside of Abyssea, xp and skill-ups are improved substantially in the old areas, and farming seals for BB items or D-ring is another way to get you out of Abyssea. I am not anti-Abyssea, I love it, but on my terms and with friends of like mind. I do think however, that SE went a bit too far with it and I believe they are acutely aware of it. VoS, DA and BD will be lag-city for awhile but we will survive. :)

OOHHHHH! Question! I keep hearing about bandwagon MNK's, WAR's and NIN's. Are you referring to players who all of a sudden have decided to level these jobs from 1 - 90? Hence the price of Utsusemi: Ni going from 200k or less to 900k.

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Originally Posted by Octaviane

I'll take my chances with KS99's. I have absolutely no issues with getting KS and no issues getting the help to do the KS's, at least not now. Thank you LS :) Drop rates are less than 30% for BB items, but, I choose to look on the bright side. Good luck to all of us career MNK's on finishing BB.

SE has listened to all the people who have said there is no content outside of Abyssea, xp and skill-ups are improved substantially in the old areas, and farming seals for BB items or D-ring is another way to get you out of Abyssea. I am not anti-Abyssea, I love it, but on my terms and with friends of like mind. I do think however, that SE went a bit too far with it and I believe they are acutely aware of it. VoS, DA and BD will be lag-city for awhile but we will survive. :)

OOHHHHH! Question! I keep hearing about bandwagon MNK's, WAR's and NIN's. Are you referring to players who all of a sudden have decided to level these jobs from 1 - 90? Hence the price of Utsusemi: Ni going from 200k or less to 900k.

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Yeah, the jerks that have no interest in actually playing the jobs, they're just trying to take advantage of the sudden "usefulness" of them in abyssea. The worst part is that these people get "preferential treatment" by some LS's who go ahead and hand these people everything they want/need on a silver platter, while the rest of us who actually make these jobs our careers still have to fight for everything, and still fall short of the bandwagon wannabees.