[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Greatguardian]

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

[Flunklesnarkin]

Love the changes.. just felt the need to say that to counter out rambus's tirade >_>

[Karbuncle]

old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.

As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

[Rambus]

As far as shout group goes, A lot of people will likely shout for people early on for the KSNM99, Meaning they'll need help since not all players have friends. Theres a good chance you could just join the shout for the KSNM (people won't be shouting for Aspid/Ada fights i hope), and have a shot to get a pop item.

Also, I could have Sworn i including the Removing NQ thing...

I only see people shouting for KB KSNM groups for the KB path ( meaning no one will do apsid because everyone will want D ring)

the result of this update with meny factors that are put into it will make getting BB items harder, well egg anyway.

Krabnuckle speaks the truth.

In other news, while I personally wouldn't mind seeing Crests and Seals be interchangeable, that would defeat the entire purpose of the victory that the Krystal-led Anti-Abyssea faction has fought so hard for. An emphasis on Kindred Seals means an emphasis on low level exp. Yet, despite the massive responses to the Anti-Abyssea threads from posters on here, I've only seen one or two posters in this entire thread commenting on the benefits this will have to low level exp.

Did everyone on that "side" really expect them to raise the level entry requirement for Abyssea? That was a player-conceived pipe dream, nothing more. But you made it abundantly clear that some players want a new reason to EXP outside Abyssea from 40-75, and they gave you one in spades. It's a crying bloody shame that the only people I see who are happy about this change are "Pro-leech elitists".

I'm not even trolling this time. What the shit happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd. There are now plenty of reasons to EXP in the Overworld, and anyone who's interested in Black Belts or King drops will be doing so in order to amass Kindred seals. This is exactly what you wanted, right?

At least, I'm assuming that you were all telling the truth when you said you were simply concerned about low level exp'ing and the difficulties of a new player. It couldn't possibly be that you were just being jealous and spiteful of the people who were using Abyssea to leech. Right? Right. So be happy.

telling people to go level in old area for KS??? that joke? that does not fix the dommance of abyssea did to this game.

[Karbuncle]

I only see people shouting for KB KSNM groups for the KB path ( meaning no one will do apsid because everyone will want D ring)

the result of this update with meny factors that are put into it will make getting BB items harder, well egg anyway.




telling people to go level in old area for KS??? that joke? that does not fix the dommance of abyssea did to this game.

People who want Black Belt items will shout for all 3. If its not, Ask your friendslist for help. I'm sure they will. Build your own or join one!

Also, Leveling in Old Areas is quite enjoyable these days, Exp flies faster than it used too. Also, you can skill up crappy weapons for it too !

[Twille]

The problem i see is that Kindred Seals are the worst of the "seals" to obtain. At low levels you're going to get Beastmen Seals, at mid to high levels you'll get a mixture of Beastmen and Kindred Seals, at high levels you'll be getting Kindred Crests.
There is no real way to farm just Kindred Seals. I did a lot of leveling back at the lvl 75 cap and have very few Kindred Seals to show for it.
No matter how you look at it, farming for Seals (of any kind) is far from efficient, players with the ability to do KSNMs will dry up quickly, leaving these items extremely difficult to obtain.

[Rambus]

People who want Black Belt items will shout for all 3. If its not, Ask your friendslist for help. I'm sure they will. Build your own or join one!

Also, Leveling in Old Areas is quite enjoyable these days, Exp flies faster than it used too. Also, you can skill up crappy weapons for it too !

you can only skill up high end like 320 ish +? i think abyssea only

[Soundwave]

Ugh this thread makes my blood hurt...

[Octaviane]

The problem i see is that Kindred Seals are the worst of the "seals" to obtain. At low levels you're going to get Beastmen Seals, at mid to high levels you'll get a mixture of Beastmen and Kindred Seals, at high levels you'll be getting Kindred Crests.
There is no real way to farm just Kindred Seals. I did a lot of leveling back at the lvl 75 cap and have very few Kindred Seals to show for it.
No matter how you look at it, farming for Seals (of any kind) is far from efficient, players with the ability to do KSNMs will dry up quickly, leaving these items extremely difficult to obtain.

FoV pages in Cape Teriggan (5 pages total) at level 68/69 gained me 11 Kindred Seals, 4 Beastman Seals. They drop like candy now, plus, the xp is awesome and skill ups are great too. I see no issue at all in getting them, you'll just have to xp outside of Abyssea.

[niwaar]

I'm not even trolling this time. What the *** happened to your convictions? The Devs did not give you exactly what you wanted, but they gave you the absolute best possible compromise between you and the "Pro-Leech" crowd.

Honestly, I do not see the "absolute best possible compromise". We wanted a few things and they did give them to us. A remedy to the old King system was really nice to see after all this time. However, to say its the best possible compromise is nuts. KS are something of the past. Even trying to say that this revitalizes the non Abyssea content is ridiculous. What it does is give a very small handful of people who still wish to pick up that Black Belt a reason to farm Kindred Seals. Oh wait, many of them already had to do this to get their belts.

This does absolutely nothing to encourage players to participate in non-Abyssea areas. The only thing it does, is make those BB items much harder to get than before. It pushes older content into the closet and limits the number of players who will ever see such content again. Even if these weren't camped even close to as heavily as they were 4-5 years ago, people still did enjoy low manning these HNM. That will not even be possible anymore.

The dev's had a pretty good chance here to make older content more accessible to players and give out incentives for everyone to participate in non Abyssea activities. They did not compromise, they utterly failed. There were many better solutions to these former Kings than the one they chose. Its sad to see them relegated to the trash heap like this.