[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Xenotime]

This is just as dumb as making a shield better than aegis, you put too much time into something, and this noob spends two weeks, and his shield is better.

[Rezeak]

I haven't read the whole tread buuuuuut

Being able to do 10 NQ kings as and LS event with the chance to do a few HQ is amazing ^^ and something FUN for my ls to do ^^

Thx SE.

[Karbuncle]

No it isn't people do not farm HNMs much, people do not have a reason to monopolize HNMs in the respect of buying a bot and paying for said bot from claiming HNMs. people have bigger interest for abyssea. Maybe if this was before abyssea yeah good chance I am wrong, but with times now? no i am not.

the amount people shout should not be an argument to support this change.

So what you're saying here is that. You think the System where the entire population of people after a BB item had at best 1 chance per day, Is better than the Entire population as individuals being able to pop the NM when they get the seals, any time of the day, and multiple times depending on Seals/friends available?

I'm sorry that doesn't make any sense. At BEST the old system allowed 1 Group of people to have a shot at the NM once per day. this new systems gives everyone a shot at the NM (seals allowing) meaning multiple people will kill the NM per day.

its an improvement.

[Duzell]

I hate this update, I loved it until the line of nerfing the drop rates on BB items. I'm all for them being force pops, heck ill even go farm the dang KSs to get the dumb pop items. I just want a guarenteed reward of some kind when I finally get a HQ pop item (which im betting is just replacing the BB item from the NQ NM, might as well use a already programmed slot).
That being said that damn turtle KSNM is still a pain in the butt at 90 with 5 BLMs, 2 ppl making darkness to MB off of, a tank and a rdm refreshing everyone and silencing the damn thing. I swear the thing has +1000 MDB.

[Rambus]

So what you're saying here is that. You think the System where the entire population of people after a BB item had at best 1 chance per day, Is better than the Entire population as individuals being able to pop the NM when they get the seals, any time of the day, and multiple times depending on Seals/friends available?

I'm sorry that doesn't make any sense. At BEST the old system allowed 1 Group of people to have a shot at the NM once per day. this new systems gives everyone a shot at the NM (seals allowing) meaning multiple people will kill the NM per day.

its an improvement.

it is only an improvement if you assume people have a large store of seals, which is not fair. so i call that an invalid argument.

you take more time farming for KS and trying to get BB drop with old system then new system.

old:
you camp NM for 3 hours, good chance of egg.
you farm 99 KSNM for small chance of egg.

new:
you farm 99 KS, small chance of drop.
you get pop item
you get chance of HQ drop.
you have even smaller chance of drop.

it is a step back

or you can only camp witch is less time then farming for ksnm seals ( TIME YOU HAVE TO SPEND PLAYING, not real time of omg we can do more then one in a day)

[Manicora]

Easy fix: Ks99 = 100% Drop for 1 of the 3 HNM zone Nm's. Each of the HNM ??? pops have a chance to drop a HQ trig(i hope 50% rate) HQ ??? pop only can drop BB item + all normal drops: Same zone should house New HNM of lvl 99 King's To prevent random people from claiming make it like Sea NM farming where there is a chance, upon kill of HQ HNM, you recieve KI for new HNM: Who knows maybe make Jponry your Final HNM (Quacks alot with 100% KC attack speed and Bloodweapon)
Or make it Like sandworm where instead of KI make it Doomvoid and Have to fight all 3 HQ Kings at once to recieve Black belt +1 20% haste with 15% Pdt- and regain/regen .... SE is great but they have little vision past Aby and I hope at least someone has an original Idea that they can steal to make the game as fun as back in 2003-2005

[Karbuncle]

it is only an improvement if you assume people have a large store of seals, which is not fair. so i call that an invalid argument.

you take more time farming for KS and trying to get BB drop with old system then new system.

old:
you camp NM for 3 hours, good chance of egg.
you farm 99 KSNM for small chance of egg.

new:
you farm 99 KS, small chance of drop.
you get pop item
you get chance of HQ drop.
you have even smaller chance of drop.

it is a step back

or you can only camp witch is less time then farming for ksnm seals ( TIME YOU HAVE TO SPEND PLAYING, not real time of omg we can do more then one in a day)

Its only not an Improvement when you think about "ME ME ME ME ME!" like you are.

Really, Complain and map it out as pessimistically as you want. The point is the Old system sucked ass, and this is an Improvement.

Rather you like it or not, The old system only allowed 1 Person to Kill the NM per day, This system allows as many people as possible to pop the NM as often as they want (*Seals permitting). It may not be an Improvement to the people who blew all their Kindred Seals, But to the other 90% of the Population who have been sitting on Stacks of them with no use, this is an improvement.

Rather you personally gain from this or not doesn't make or break the system, as a Whole this is a far better improvement over old style kings. I'm not even talking about Bots or etc cause those are moot at this point.

The point is, as a population, there will be far more Kings Popped/killed per day than the old system permitted, at the very least withing the first ~month or two when everyone is getting their BB items/Drings/Out-datedAbjurations.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I seriously doubt rambus has ever camped adamantoise if he thinks its a good drop rate >_>

and screw standing around for 3 hours... especially when that 3 hours happens to start at 4 AM in the morning... just to be outclaimed

The system is an improvement just for the fact you dont have to stay up to retarded hours of the day

[Sparthos]

it is only an improvement if you assume people have a large store of seals, which is not fair. so i call that an invalid argument.

This patch makes people who didn't have interest in BB items now interested in possible old king items. This means those BB items they dont want go up for grabs. Know all those people who want Drings? Guess what? They wouldn't have been using their kindreds had this change not happened.

More demand for Ks99 = more BB items floating around.

you take more time farming for KS and trying to get BB drop with old system then new system.

old:
you camp NM for 3 hours, good chance of egg. Wat? NQ kings droprates on BB items was terrible. HQ kings took anything from 3-9 days to pop. Thats multiple DAYS where only one BB item would possibly drop
you farm 99 KSNM for small chance of egg. which was difficult because no one wanted to do ks99 since everything is trash outside BB item

new:
you farm 99 KS, small chance of drop. same chance with a larger pool of participants and the second chance through NQ pop
you get pop item
you get chance of HQ drop.
you have even smaller chance of drop. We don't know the HQ droprate. It could be better than Ks99 and its still a second chance you didn't have before. Add to that you can lure ppl to come help with abjurations.

it is a step back

It's a step forward.

[Rambus]

I seriously doubt rambus has ever camped adamantoise if he thinks its a good drop rate >_>

and screw standing around for 3 hours... especially when that 3 hours happens to start at 4 AM in the morning... just to be outclaimed

The system is an improvement just for the fact you dont have to stay up to retarded hours of the day

I do not think you ever did KSNM egg if you think it is a good drop rate, the NM is better drop rate then that ksnm

Its only not an Improvement when you think about "ME ME ME ME ME!" like you are.

Really, Complain and map it out as pessimistically as you want. The point is the Old system sucked ass, and this is an Improvement.

Rather you like it or not, The old system only allowed 1 Person to Kill the NM per day, This system allows as many people as possible to pop the NM as often as they want (*Seals permitting). It may not be an Improvement to the people who blew all their Kindred Seals, But to the other 90% of the Population who have been sitting on Stacks of them with no use, this is an improvement.

Rather you personally gain from this or not doesn't make or break the system, as a Whole this is a far better improvement over old style kings. I'm not even talking about Bots or etc cause those are moot at this point.

The point is, as a population, there will be far more Kings Popped/killed per day than the old system permitted, at the very least withing the first ~month or two when everyone is getting their BB items/Drings/Out-datedAbjurations.

again you are assuming stock piles of ks seals, if that is not memememe i dont know what is.

all i understand is people that like this idea are the same with huge stockpiles.

step back.