[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Rambus]

Step forward.

I understand people Don't have stockpiles of kindred seals, But are you saying you can't join a shout? The way it sounds there could be multiple pops per KSNM so you could get lucky on one. Or, Do you have no friends either? I can't imagine out of all your massive large stocks of friends none of them have a few Kindred seals to help you get a Black Belt?

But really, Theres that narrow-mindedness. You're only thinking "Some people dont have Kindred seals!" instead of "Some people have plenty!"

As with the old system, There are people left out. The old system, one group/person per day had one chance at the drop. Everyone else is screwed.

in this system, Everyone has a chance to kill the NM. As Often as they want (*Seals Permitting). So like the old system, those without seals can fall behind, But in the end, More people have a shot at the NM. More people have a chance to kill it than the old system.

FORWARD STEP. MARCH.

you do not that people will make shouts, assuming what people will do is invalid, and what if people shout when i have ls events?

this is 1 step forward, 2 steps back

Sounds like you had bad luck for sure on KSNM99 egg. That really sucks but I don't think it is representative of drop rate in general. Unfortunately the random number generator can spin that way at times. I was very bitter at Dynamis when we didn't see a black mage hat in 12 months going to xarc 2 times a month. Personally I would never sweat out an item like that again. Good luck getting your egg, it really isn't to hard to claim NQ turtle on Bismarck, but people may go crazy camping with these changes.

we will see, let you know how it goes,... assuming you care

[Francisco]

Making the triggers rare/ex will just hinder people trying to acquire the items from the hnm's

Taking "Ex" off the item also opens up a whole new shitcan of players farming the items just so they can bazaar them in Jeuno or toss them up on the AH.

Also, IMO... Either of these is acceptable:

1: KS99 - 100% drop rate on Behemoth pop item.
2: Behemoth - ~50% drop rate on King Behemoth pop item.
3: King Behemoth - 100% drop rate on Behemoth tongue.

OR

1: KS99 - 100% drop rate on Behemoth pop item.
2: Behemoth - 100% drop rate on King Behemoth pop item.
3: King Behemoth - 50% drop rate on Behemoth Tongue.

I'd just remove the Black Belt items from the KS99 and make it a really good chance of getting the HQ King + Black Belt item for the effort.

[Malamasala]

While I don't care at all about these NMs, I'd like to point out that I never got many seals at all leveling. I believe I haven't farmed KS a single time, and leveled 2 jobs to 75 in the old days, and have had a total of about 200 seals in that time. Assuming we have any other casuals playing and wanting BB, they'd have to level 3 jobs to 75 to even get 1 pop item per HNM, and then they'd have like 10% chance at the drops.

Only insane people have ever had over 500 seals. (And with insane, I mean people who play FFXI all days)

[Fiarlia]

QQ bbbbaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwww

I swear to god you whine and complain almost as much as Krystal.

[MarkovChain]

Something that I didn't see mentionned is that mobs can also drops beastmen's seal, so this double farming time.

[CrystalWeapon]

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Only insane people have ever had over 500 seals. (And with insane, I mean people who play FFXI all days)

Or people who solo'd beastmaster to 75.

[InfamousDS]

I've read it all.... every single post for 29 pages barring what may be posted while I type this.

Both sides have valid arguments, both sides are right in some respects. But I feel the need to point out I am at 346KS + 27 in my inventory. I solo a LOT, almost obsessively, outside Abyssea. Not because I hate Abyssea (I'm not fond of keying but it IS the fastest way to level), but because between school and my LS's recent player-loss I have much fewer friends readily available, and much less time to monopolize with the few who haven't changed shells or quit. In the course of 3 years I have only done 2 ODS, meaning the number of seals you see is the total for soloing Dancer to 75 (and then some) and Summoner to 66 minus those 2 runs (as well as my Magian gains). And while I have yet to do the KS99, I do hang out with my brother who does them every once in a while. I have seen his group (all of whom who are veteran players with excellent gear) wipe a few times to badly timed spells or TP moves. The fact is: The KS99s can (or sometimes are) be harder than the regular NMs. On top of this, no drop at all on NQ hurts because even with spamming there is no guarantee of HQ drops. Seals are uncommon even at the best standards (being 50-80 [or 75 I think] only), and 99 is a bit far. I have 4 Magian daggers to completion, and a Wind Perpetuation staff to the first Garuda kill stage. It is too far, unless you devote hours (the very same spent camping a NM) on getting the seals for a drop.

As for being an improvement, all it did was make them open whenever. It did nothing to reduce the time investment. I pity you 3AM campers, I really do. That's too much for me to do. So if you can burn up the seals, great! But what about players like me? I have few KS, and 297 (with the greatest luck evah!) is nearly everything I have. I'd like to know what SE plans for that very, very fast eventuality. At best guess I think maybe 10% of the current population has in excess of 1000KS, and 40% has excess of 500K. That's 60% with less than 500, which means 60% will only have around 1 chance WITHOUT leeching or buying. Oh, and nearly all gil drops are dead, so getting 3mil+ is still relatively time consuming.

End of Post.

And.... here comes the "you're so wrong, this is the best thing ever!" hate speech.

[MarkovChain]

Can the devs be clearer about the possiblity getting more than one NQ pop item per KS99 ? Only the US version says that at least one pop item will drop in the pool while german and french only say pop item for each NM are 100%.

At least one of these items will be dropped in every battle.

Ces objets apparaîtront systématiquement dans le butin à la fin de chaque combat.

Diese Items befinden sich beim Sieg über die Monster mit 100% Wahrscheinlichkeit im Beutepool.

Somehow I feel that the 100% droprate is the only correct one ...

[Libtech]

Or people who solo'd beastmaster to 75.

Agreed!

I just checked my stash and have 931 KS + an unused orb in storage. Have 1656 bs

All cause of the power of bst and /bst

[GlobalVariable]

I for one think this is the worst thing they could possibly do.
The HNMs need to be less annoying to camp, not more annoying to pop.

Making them pop spawns and all is fine, however now you're REQUIRED to do the KS99, which is harder than the NQ spawns, to get a drop that may not be 100%, to pop the NQ version and get another drop, that may also not be 100%, to pop the HQ and hope for the BB item, which is assured to not be 100%.
Worst update that they've hit us with in a while.

SE needs to stop being an evil genie with this giving us what we wanted in the most twisted vile way possible. This just screams "lets make the player base argue with each other".