[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

[Rambus]

I've read it all.... every single post for 29 pages barring what may be posted while I type this.

Both sides have valid arguments, both sides are right in some respects. But I feel the need to point out I am at 346KS + 27 in my inventory. I solo a LOT, almost obsessively, outside Abyssea. Not because I hate Abyssea (I'm not fond of keying but it IS the fastest way to level), but because between school and my LS's recent player-loss I have much fewer friends readily available, and much less time to monopolize with the few who haven't changed shells or quit. In the course of 3 years I have only done 2 ODS, meaning the number of seals you see is the total for soloing Dancer to 75 (and then some) and Summoner to 66 minus those 2 runs (as well as my Magian gains). And while I have yet to do the KS99, I do hang out with my brother who does them every once in a while. I have seen his group (all of whom who are veteran players with excellent gear) wipe a few times to badly timed spells or TP moves. The fact is: The KS99s can (or sometimes are) be harder than the regular NMs. On top of this, no drop at all on NQ hurts because even with spamming there is no guarantee of HQ drops. Seals are uncommon even at the best standards (being 50-80 [or 75 I think] only), and 99 is a bit far. I have 4 Magian daggers to completion, and a Wind Perpetuation staff to the first Garuda kill stage. It is too far, unless you devote hours (the very same spent camping a NM) on getting the seals for a drop.

As for being an improvement, all it did was make them open whenever. It did nothing to reduce the time investment. I pity you 3AM campers, I really do. That's too much for me to do. So if you can burn up the seals, great! But what about players like me? I have few KS, and 297 (with the greatest luck evah!) is nearly everything I have. I'd like to know what SE plans for that very, very fast eventuality. At best guess I think maybe 10% of the current population has in excess of 1000KS, and 40% has excess of 500K. That's 60% with less than 500, which means 60% will only have around 1 chance WITHOUT leeching or buying. Oh, and nearly all gil drops are dead, so getting 3mil+ is still relatively time consuming.

End of Post.

And.... here comes the "you're so wrong, this is the best thing ever!" hate speech.

I have 219 KS, this is spending maybe 5 99's

this is comming from a person with 19- level 90s, cap exp before abyssea, around 800 merits then, 1400 ish now.

SE needs to stop being an evil genie with this giving us what we wanted in the most twisted vile way possible. This just screams "lets make the player base argue with each other".

reminds me of that one movie about that guy that sold his sole to the devil that stuck him with stuff he did not want.

"I want to be the president of the US"
*pops he is Lincoln before the assassination*
"I want to be rich , writer,"... something of that effect
he pops in his wish gay.
“I wish to be rich/powerful”
Ends up being a drug lord in mexico or something

[Trollinthedungeon]

To everyone who complains about how hard it is to obtained 99 KS and beat the KSNM. Have no fear, cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly! Until then get farming crybabys.

[Rambus]

To everyone who complains about how hard it is to obtained 99 KS and beat the KSNM. Have no fear, cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly! Until then get farming crybabys.

I do not care about that, I would rather have this "update" not exist.

I see it as making it worse with how things are stated.

[Daremo]

I see someone put a lot of thought into their user name.

[GlobalVariable]

reminds me of that one movie about that guy that sold his sole to the devil that stuck him with stuff he did not want.

"I want to be the president of the US"
*pops he is Lincoln before the assassination*
"I want to be rich , writer,"... something of that effect
he pops in his wish gay.
“I wish to be rich/powerful”
Ends up being a drug lord in mexico or something

I seriously think they set us up to have these long flame fest threads so we complain at each other instead of them. I mean look at Trollinthedungeon's post;

cry hard enough and SE will put out a NPC where you click on it and obtain the gear you want instantly!

that is exactly the kind of thing I expected before I even read the thread. For years the bottle neck was botting. Its clear that was allowed to go on just for the sake of having a bottle neck that wasn't their fault (players woul blame cheaters/RMT not SE, while saying SE can't detect/prove it) and now that land kings are very dead, they get an update to re-bottleneck black belt specifically.

On my server I had seen these hit the dirt if nobody was present to purchase them off the botting LS. I can never find any friends willing and able to do the KSNM. They never have seals and don't want to go without an orb. I have 650 ish seals left and they haven't dropped for me yet. And pretty much the only people that ever answer the shouts want the same thing I do. At least HQ kings were 100%...We all know or have been that guy that goes 0/200 on some drop. Thats me on almost everything that is random. I'm just not a lucky guy.

And now to await being flamed and told I want everything handed to me for no work.

[Madmax]

It said nothing about KS99 BB items being removed.

Stop being stupid.

Oh so now having an opinion warrants a personal attack? May be I'll report you to site admin. Sick of people like you calling names because you don't agree with someones opinion.

[Vold]

My only real problem with this change and entirely the reason why I even bother posting about it, is that people are gloating that it's been made harder to obtain the BB, masking it with the word "easier". Like, ha-haaaa, that'll teach you to bitch at us botters for all those years of blocking you. Hope you enjoy your BB hunting now!

Really, it cannot get any easier than sitting around for 3 hours waiting for a HNM to pop. To say this is making things easier is pure pipe dreaming. What it does do is permit players to go after these monsters on their own time instead of the games time. That's a huge plus. But it's a far cry from making black belt any easier to obtain than it already is.... once your current supply of kindred seals are used up, of course.

Hell for all we know it really is going to be THAT easy. If you've got at least some seals saved, you may very well be set. The problem here is that we don't know what the drop rate on BB items will be. If it's low.... yeah, it's going to be harder than the way things are now. If it's still decently high... then sure, why not, BB just got mega easier. It's all just speculation at this point, plain and simple. The reps are probably reading all of our posts and going, "lol if they only knew the new drop rate for BB items are 50% now. Lol I remember when Abyssea was first released and everyone thought they were restricted to 30 minutes per day. Lol people are quick to jump to conclusions. Lol etc."

Speculation and assumptions never does anyone any real good, but I guess it's better than being bored to death.

[Rambus]

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

[Karbuncle]

Oh gee aspid is not up i WONDER why -.-

you do not know the drop rate on the HQ item drop ether void, if it is 50% then the bb item is 50% that means you have a 25% chance for egg, i rather camp NM then spend 99 seals on that

I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

[Rambus]

I think I'll go abou this another way
Old System Flaws:
*One NM popped Per Day. Allowing only 1 group/person a Chance at the item per 24 hours
*Everyone but the group who claims is left out. (I.E Now has 0% Chance of getting item they want)
*if theres even 5 other people after the same item, Assuming they don't team up (they wont). You now have a 20% chance to claim, and less chance at drop, Assuming HQ doesn't pop that day. So while you may claim, and have your chance, the other 4 people now have 0% Chance until 21 hours have passed. They're screwed for the rest of the day.

Old System positives
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...
......
E-peen...?


New System Flaws
*There are still people left out. People without a large amount of kindred Seals Don't have a chance to get their own pops.
*They reduced BB drop from king, Removed it from NQ.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, not everyone can do it.

New System positive
*According to Update notes (*needs Verif. now...) There might be a possibility for more than 1 Pop item per KSNM run. So players without 99KS can join a shout group with a chance to grab an excess one.
*Everyone has an equal chance to kill the NM. Seals or no Seals, You have just as much right/chances to pop the NM as the next guy.
*Less people left out per day as opposed to old system. More than 1 can pop per day, No waiting for Windows.
*Forces you to do KSNM99, Which have low chance at BB item, as well as a little gil.

Unknowns
*Will the Pop item be R? or EX? Can i Sell it? Can i hold more than 1?
*Whats drop rate on upgrade item?
*How bad did they nerf King drop rate?

old way better for bb items,

new way is good for d ring sure.

and all i need to make that statment is the fact they are getting rid of NQ drop and lowering HQ drop rate, the amount of lowering does not matter.

if you want to go and agure shout group, how meny people are really going to do aspid? the only thing good is d ring so that will be likey flooded.