FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto [Blue Mage]

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

i can land threnody on blu/brd or whm/brd.

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I haven't leveled Bard myself, I'm only going by my experiences with pick up group people. When doing stuff with a more familiar group, short of a memorable run trying to land light magic in general on a certain tiger that we had the misfortune of having to pop close to Lightsday due to a ton of stuff going wrong with scheduling, I've never seen our group have an issue with Bard procs.

I was just trying to use people doing stuff like that as an example to back up my suggestion that BLU could easily get to be able to cast one non-set spell on a long timer. But if you keep shooting me down with silly concepts like people actually capping their skills, wearing gear and making rational arguments, the communists win. Do you want the communists to win? Do you?

lol well we definitely could use a +m.acc spell on blu. or lowers targets magic evasion. idk if magic defense down helps any.

in any case having to proc with brd sucks. Thf's should learn how to tank so we can stop bringing Nin to seal farms and let blu's proc /nin. TH is better then yellow drops anyways half the time.

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Originally Posted by Economizer

Not the point. The point is that blue magic is actually drastically affected by healing magic, even though it is a blue magic spell. I'm fine with the way it works for Blue Mage. I want healing magic skill to affect healing magic more. Granted, this is a bit off topic from Blue Mage, but it is related to what they said.

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Actually, this is just due to Blue Mage generally having either 0 Healing Magic skill, 130-ish Healing Magic skill, or 300+ Healing Magic skill. According to a couple of cure calculators I've played with, going from 0 to 300+ skill would have a similar effect on Cure V and Cure VI as it does on Magic Fruit and Peeonallofthem Embrace.

It only seems like skill has a more potent effect because the change in skill level is so huge. Well, unless you mean relative to the base amount.

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Originally Posted by Mightyg

I wouldn't mind long recasts if they magical spells we had didn't suck in most cases.

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Different setups for different spells and different spells for different situations; our primary niche is still the frontline after all. The higher relative value of dINT is kind of a pain given that we'd use these spells against high INT targets (high-level NMs) though. That said, I would like to see an upgrade in the weapon slot; with BLM/RDM/SCH rocking affinity+5 these days and 9 levels remaining for Magian trials our level 51 affinity+2 staves are more than a little lackluster. INT/MAB swords aren't really a good answer to this problem either.

Also, I hope that our base Fast Cast trait will be fixed in the next update as opposed to having to set a second level of it to get 10% like everyone else does from the first available RDM trait.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

in any case having to proc with brd sucks. Thf's should learn how to tank so we can stop bringing Nin to seal farms and let blu's proc /nin. TH is better then yellow drops anyways half the time.

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What's really fun is when you need to proc red and yellow because you also want the KI for another pop from your seal farm mob.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

It only seems like skill has a more potent effect because the change in skill level is so huge. Well, unless you mean relative to the base amount.

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Relative to the base amount. But also because healing magic skill seems to have less effect if your Mind is sufficiently high. Having capped skill doesn't affect healing as much as it does any other skill, although this goes beyond cure bombs...

Regurgitation is one of the best nuking spells in the game. The damage is similar to a T3 nuke, however the low recast, low mp cost, and almost 0 enmity, allows you to spam it and never run out of MP.

Something I've noticed with BLU updates, very frequently:

"We're adding more spells!"

"We're adding more spells!"

"We're adding more spells!"

"We're adding more spells!"


Kudos to that, but I would rather see:
"We're revising existing spells!"
"We're making more job trait combos!"
"We're giving a bonus chance to learn spells at higher Blue Mage levels!"

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Originally Posted by Camate

While it won’t be for Azure Lore, in the next version update we will be introducing a new ability that will allow you to use HNM abilities while under its effects.

There will be no need to set the HNM abilities and you will be able to use them once the ability recast timer is up (planning for 5 minutes or thereabouts).
*You will still need to learn the spell beforehand.

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About this, will it be possible to learn the HNM abilities from other monsters that use them?

Examples:
Isgebind, Ouryu, Smok, and Azdaja use Spike Flail, but are not known as HNM.
Apademak and Tyger use Fulmination, but are not known as HNM.

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Originally Posted by Vagrua

About this, will it be possible to learn the HNM abilities from other monsters that use them?

Examples:
Isgebind, Ouryu, Smok, and Azdaja use Spike Flail, but are not known as HNM.
Apademak and Tyger use Fulmination, but are not known as HNM.

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I'm confused. Why are you saying those mobs are not HNMs? They all give titles, they're significantly harder than the original "HNMs," and by harder, I do not mean they're actually hard, and they're all of the same mob family as their counterparts outside abyssea. They seem to fit every definition of HNM I can come up with.

Are you asking whether we'll have to camp the "original" HNM to learn the spell or something? I would hope not. There is no "original" HNM for some of these abilities, like spike flail, so I can't see them doing that.

The ability to learn a move from a mob has always been determined by mob family/subfamily, not the name of the specific monster in question; I don't see why there would be any such limitation with these spells since as far as I know there are no subfamilies for wyrms, khimairas, etc and with the exception of the Tahrongi mini-wyrms/turtles/sandworms all mobs in these families are NMs of some sort. The "H" in HNM doesn't really carry the same meaning these days since spawn camping is (mostly, #$%^ Gukumatz) dead.

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There is no "original" HNM for some of these abilities, like spike flail, so I can't see them doing that.

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Fafnir and Nidhogg are disappoint.

I think what he means is that Fafnir and Nidhogg are now force pop. Basically, there is no reason why it should be limited to them only. Especially since it is hard enough to learn Blue Mage spells without having to buy a position in a party.

I dont see how Spike Flail would be a problem when so many monsters use it now. The same goes for most HNM abilities.

Azdaja is like stupid easy to spawn.

Since Reaving Wind, the idea of a monster needing to be a normal TW-IT monster was dropped since there are no normal Amphipteres and so pretty much any HNM ability could be up for grabs.

Blue magic spells quite often have multiple effects...which I personally think other jobs should go. So I do understand why the long react timers....

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Originally Posted by Covenant

Blue magic spells quite often have multiple effects...which I personally think other jobs should go. So I do understand why the long react timers....

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Do you mean the stat bonus or the traits which aren't limited by the 1 minute cool down?

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

Erm isn't a spell to proc enough? Maybe you thinking about abyssea then yeah one spell is fine to change but if you even did a VW on BLU... ewww... Setting all darkness spells and waiting a minute just to see at 10sec before you can cast someone is staggering with bio III, damn go back and let's change to fire spells.. 30 sec passed "guys its Darkness HQ again".... ffs...

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My linkshell doesn't even bother bringing BLUs to Voidwatch because of the cooldown timer. I don't see how reducing it to 30 seconds would be gamebreaking.

Things I would like to see for BLU:

I would like BLU to have a JA similar to efflux, but for magical spells that basically instead of applying a TP mod to the spell, the JA would increase existing modifiers and make the spell stronger.

would be cool to have a JA that gives physical spells magical damage much like MNK's formless strikes

I'm dying for Crystalline Cocoon to be added and hopefully it would be around Protect and Shell IV or V range.

I think it would be great for a Job Trait that is exclusive to BLU's (whether it be meritable or given) that grants 1-2 tiers to any equipped trait. So this way if I have Treasure hunter on as a Tier 1, it can be Tier 2-3

And personally I don't mind the 1 minute cool down because it keeps BLUs on their toes BUT! I've asked this for a while and I'm asking again, that BLUs should get a spell macro pallete for their lists. While it is nice to have the ability to keep previous spells equiped, I still ask that the spell list have macros to spells so you don't spend so much time selecting them and can shave time blinding yourself with a menu. This can be done by opening up the menu, going to magic spells as you would equip normal spells, yet to the right/left of the spell list there are macroable palletes that have pre assigned spell lists so that you can equip spells with ease.

Thats what I would ask for with this next coming update.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Also, when double attack/gilfinder are enhanced, we are planning to have them change into triple attack/treasure hunter.

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So what you're saying is DA will "change" into TA...if that's the case it's "not" a win for us.

Please do somthing about to trigger weakness on mob in VW on BLU, BLU can't just keep access full list of magic to active it cuz downtime during wait for magic can active, so is it possible to reduce the list of magic to one of each element like in abyssea? at least we can set just 1 or 2 of each element to trigger (even only that will drain a lot of point to set any "Real" useful magic for fight since VWNM is not have specific tirgger base by day like in abyssea, but it's will still a lot helpful.)

looks like Behemoth Thunderbolt: AoE Thunder based damage with an additional stun effect.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/at...751739&thumb=1

So, new stuff for BLU.

First off, I see a JA that allows access to additional spells. However, since they accompany it with that picture, I'm worried that it's going to be a JA that unlocks the HNM-type moves. I'm praying it opens up the spell list a bit for stuff like procing, though the +5 spell points at 91 will help, but by what they tied in I'm a teeny itty-bit concerned. So crossing fingers that it's not like one of the Addendum JAs that SCH gets to unlock our more potent spells. >_>

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Originally Posted by Kensagaku

So, new stuff for BLU.

First off, I see a JA that allows access to additional spells. However, since they accompany it with that picture, I'm worried that it's going to be a JA that unlocks the HNM-type moves. I'm praying it opens up the spell list a bit for stuff like procing, though the +5 spell points at 91 will help, but by what they tied in I'm a teeny itty-bit concerned. So crossing fingers that it's not like one of the Addendum JAs that SCH gets to unlock our more potent spells. >_>

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Read Camate's post #111 in this thread, it's already been answered.

It was nice to see the feedback from Camate on a number of relevant BLU proposals... However, at least one wasn't addressed; one that has personally annoyed me for the entirety of my BLU career

When (if ever) will I be able to heal (at the very least) alliance members? I would of course like to get the same treatment DNC waltzes got, but would be delighted if I could at least heal ally members.

Who can recall in update post, the picture of blu casting magic on 2nd one (not one casting Thunderbolt, one that say Add serveral news blue magic spell). What spell that blu casting? (It's sure new one but i just not sure it's was spell form old mob, or some nm that i nv see nm's skill or it's just new mob's skill.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Since part of the strategy is to make a choice within set requirements, we have no plan of reducing the overall cost. We will be making balance adjustments to the increases in set numbers depending on your level.

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We will see this point adjustment on this next version update?

I think Dark Orb from Gargouilles.

One thing I've always disliked about every new Job Adjustments post, is that every job gets told exactly what is coming their way, -except- BLU. All we get is a hastily written, "Blue Mage will be getting more blue magic spells," and one or two vague pictures of a new spell in action. Why can't we be told up front like everyone else?

Just a tiny tidbit of info for the upcoming version update regarding blue mage…

We will be revamping the blue magic spell list a bit to make it so the spells can be organized by element as well as level.


Current:
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After the version update:
Attachment 477

I'm actually pretty happy with this. Seeing all my newer spells be out of order with the older ones has been a minor annoyance for quite some time. :D

Omg finally I can just hit the auto sort command rather than manually sorting them.

I have OCD in online games...

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Originally Posted by Fenrirvii

One thing I've always disliked about every new Job Adjustments post, is that every job gets told exactly what is coming their way, -except- BLU. All we get is a hastily written, "Blue Mage will be getting more blue magic spells," and one or two vague pictures of a new spell in action. Why can't we be told up front like everyone else?

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I agree with this but so far we know we'll get White Wind and Thunderbolt (Puk and Behemoth)

I like that. Right now it's a pain to find which elemental spells I need for Charged Whisker burning and procing weakness with Elemental Magic. I mean, why is Mind Blast not where all the other Thunder Spells should be?

OH THANK GOD

Thanks for the info Camate, it's been annoying to have spells separated, very glad to see we'll be able to sort by element now as it should have been!

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Originally Posted by Camate

Just a tiny tidbit of info for the upcoming version update regarding blue mage…

We will be revamping the blue magic spell list a bit to make it so the spells can be organized by element as well as level.


Current:
Attachment 476

After the version update:
Attachment 477

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My hero! ;)

This is something that has always driven my OCD crazy about BLU spells.

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Originally Posted by Quetzacoatl

I like that. Right now it's a pain to find which elemental spells I need for Charged Whisker burning and procing weakness with Elemental Magic. I mean, why is Mind Blast not where all the other Thunder Spells should be?

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The original spells are all tidy and well sorted because that is their order in the magic dat file. Spells added after that were appended to the end of the Blue Magic list, so when you sort them now they go to their magic dat file order with the newest ones last regardless of element. This is actually really neat, I hope that they can apply this to other spells so that tier II En-spells don't go after Summoning magic. (i.e. Sort magic on category then ID number.)

Mocchi is a gimp BLU!

No spells set at all!

Meh, I already have my list sorted and in a superior manner. I would prefer sets tbh.

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Originally Posted by Yugl

Meh, I already have my list sorted and in a superior manner. I would prefer sets tbh.

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I agree, only took me 3 min to manually organize the elements, but if the majority of BLU's like this update, who am I to argue.

I like the idea, but i'm going to have to learn where the location of the spells i like using are now... not like that's a bad thing. :x

O.o For some reason, it never occurred to me that you could manually sort the spells. It makes sense since you can do it with other magic types, but it just never clicked for me, lol. I'll be utilizing this right away!

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Originally Posted by Kwate

I think Dark Orb from Gargouilles.

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that what i also think in first place. but i think effect is not quit exectly same (i may mistake anyways). may i try check it when i can log.