So uh, how's the storage situation progressing? ^^;

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Originally Posted by Camate

Hello,

I have yet another follow-up from Producer Akihiko Matsui in regards to inventory with some concrete details, which I believe you will all be happy to hear. :)

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yummy. Now let us mule unaugmented skirmish/bayld gear please.

Let us mule (send items to other characters on our own account) pop items such as the Gem of the North, Red Pondweed, etc. Please. We can already mule Limbus pop items such as the Smoky Chip and with the recent log in campaigns it will be quite helpful.

How about a separate 80 item inventory for every slot?

Something that I always wanted, not extremely useful, but for some it might be. Could it be possible to implement a way to rename the different item bags? In a way that is similar to Macro Books? I personally use the different bags to separate my items and equipment and being able to label the bags would help out a bit. Having almost all of them start with Mog gets a bit confusing at times.

On another not, will we ever see Nomad Moogles with storage access? Now that it is available in rent a rooms, it only seems like a logical thing to happen. Especially in places such as Norg, Kazam, and Nashmau.

^ like this idea because it'd allow players to sort things a little better than 'ok I think my RDM gear was in my Storage...no wait that's my Scholar stuff'

Greetings, everyone!

I'd like to share a post from Yoji Fujito where he responds to various requests and feedback related to inventory.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

Hello,

• Mog Safe and storage access from nomad moogles
  From a story perspective, basically the explanation of this restriction is that since you are in the field away from home you cannot access your storage.
  
  Now, that raises the point of “what about Mog Gardens? They're outside too.” However, this is an area that should be granted access due to the nature of the area, so the capabilities were given to the Green Thumb Moogle.
  
  Whether or not we keep restricting access to storage while in the field in the future depends on if there are any difficulties that arise in the game’s growth, and we would break the story restraints to modify this if the importance were great enough. As there are no such problems at the current point in time, we will be keeping it as is.
  
  
• Item display lag after changing zones
  I believe I commented about this somewhere in the past, but the client needs to download the inventory data from the server. As the amount of inventory spaces increases, naturally the size of the download will also increase, and this has effects on display lag.
  
  However, I understand the concerns that the expansion of spaces may affect content. If there are adverse effects when we do this, then we will look into some kind of countermeasure, so please let us know if you experience this.
  
  
• Directly equipping gear from other inventory groups
  I briefly spoke to the programmer about this, and it seems like it would be difficult to achieve. There is a problem quite similar to what I mentioned the other day about exceeding the 80 slot limit and this is not something that we would be able to do right away. However, the possibility still exists, so we’d like to have him investigate this in more detail.
  
  
• Making Moogle Storage Slips key items
  The original equipment storage system was created with key items, but there was no stop to the amount of items being added and we wondered if we could embed the system in the item data, which resulted in the creation of the Porter Moogle system. With that said, it would be difficult to compress this system any further.
  
  To give an example, it would be possible to attempt to do this by making it so there are flags set when all equipment on a Moogle Storage Slip is stored, but this would make it difficult to take items in and out.

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What is the limit on Porter Slips? How many items can they hold up to, max?
I get the feeling you should condense some of those slips into a single one.
One for Artifact Armor (including both AF and AF+1), one for Relic Armor (including NQ, HQ+1 and HQ+2 version, and the -1 version too), one for Empyreal Armor (including them all into a single slip).
Just this simple change would let us save over 6 Slips, number could raise if you were to condense even further, for example the new Salvage II and Nyuzl II stuff.

Also, you should enable us to trade our Porter Slips to our Mog House moogle, similar to how it happens on the Test Server.
Would make the slips way more useful than they are now.

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From a story perspective, basically the explanation of this restriction is that since you are in the field away from home you cannot access your storage.

Now, that raises the point of “what about Mog Gardens? They're outside too.” However, this is an area that should be granted access due to the nature of the area, so the capabilities were given to the Green Thumb Moogle.

Whether or not we keep restricting access to storage while in the field in the future depends on if there are any difficulties that arise in the game’s growth, and we would break the story restraints to modify this if the importance were great enough. As there are no such problems at the current point in time, we will be keeping it as is.

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That's fair enough, but what about just accessing our "Storage" (as in, the space we get by leaving furnishings in the Mog House) via a Nomad Moogle? Storage was recently changed to be accessible from any other place where we can pull up the MH menu (Rent-a-Rooms, Mog Garden), it's just Nomad Moogles that don't let us access it yet.

All I keep hearing are excuses.

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

What is the limit on Porter Slips? How many items can they hold up to, max?
I get the feeling you should condense some of those slips into a single one.
One for Artifact Armor (including both AF and AF+1), one for Relic Armor (including NQ, HQ+1 and HQ+2 version, and the -1 version too), one for Empyreal Armor (including them all into a single slip).
Just this simple change would let us save over 6 Slips, number could raise if you were to condense even further, for example the new Salvage II and Nyuzl II stuff.

Also, you should enable us to trade our Porter Slips to our Mog House moogle, similar to how it happens on the Test Server.
Would make the slips way more useful than they are now.

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+1. I think that's an awesome alternative if they can't make them key items. I would like a slip for at least the Adoulin items with static augments as well. Would make my inventory much happier.

Hello,

Below is a response from Yoji Fujito in response to a couple of additional inventory-related requests and questions.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

Hello,

We are making progress with our plans and investigation as to whether we are able to boost the amount of items that you can hold in your inventory. While one specific plan is to add another type of inventory that can be carried around, we are still continuing to look into all of the other requests and ideas you have submitted. With that said, I would like to respond to what I can.

• Porter Moogles
  
  Can you make it so that a full moogle storage slip can be made into a key item?
  
  We can make it so that a single moogle storage slip that has all the pieces of equipment stored on it becomes a key item; however, this would make it so we are unable to add equipment that can be stored to these slips even if there are open spaces for it in future version updates. The reason is that when you restore an item that was converted into a key item to its original state, it will cause the storage slip to revert back to it's item state with the most up to date changes applied, so in other words it will show as having items stored that you did not store.
  
  This means that there will be no way of retrieving these items unless we do this when we are sure there will be no more items added to Moogle Storage Slips or the data has reached its limit for a slip.
  
  Also, as I mentioned previously, the Porter Moogle system was created to compress your items as much as possible. Compressing it any further would make it less convenient than you think to freely add and remove items.
  
  Is it possible to make it so we can direct equip items from storage slips that have been converted into key items?
  
  This is not possible. Items would have to be restored to their item form in order to equip them, and that item data needs to reside on the client. This is essentially the same thing as increasing inventory spaces, and would result in the same issues.
  
  Can you change the content of storage slips?
  
  As a current policy for FFXI specifications, we will not be moving the location of saved data. The main reason for this is so that we are able to secure data restoration. While this would be possible from a technical standpoint, we will not be doing it.
  
  
• Inventory
  
  Can you make it possible to use items inside of other bags?
  
  The answer for this is the same as the question asking if we could make it possible to equip items that were in other bags. In order to equip or use items in other bags, we would have to break past a lot of the core system aspects. We are currently estimating the tasks for this, and it will most likely take a bit of time until we have a conclusion.
  
  
• Storage
  
  Can you make storage that is shared between accounts?
  
  We are currently looking into this and whether we can make what you are all requesting. If it's only something that you can retrieve eight items from at a time then it wouldn’t be much different than the delivery feature. We are proceeding with our investigation to make this happen.
  
  Can you make a massive storage system that is limited to only our Mog House?
  
  For this as well, we need to investigate how we allocate our system resources or if we can restructure the system.
  
  
• Other
  
  Item loading after entering a zone
  
  Previously I mentioned that increasing the amount of items you can hold in your inventory would naturally increase the amount of time it takes for the items to load when entering a zone. Lag is generated by the communication between the server and the client. While we will not be able to completely fix this, we are searching for some way to do something about it.
  
  Will there by a continuation for Trial of the Magians?
  
  I'm sorry, but unfortunately this is not something I can answer. While you might be thinking it's I who created it, this is not only related to me as we need to make sure that it meshes with Adoulin content, so unfortunately I cannot respond to this.

With all that said, there are a lot of replies with an “under investigation” status. However, as we cannot ascertain whether or not these are all possible or not it’s difficult for me to explain to you all at the moment. We appreciate your understanding about this, and please know that we are working hard towards providing the most comfortable conditions possible.

Thank you very much.

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Well at least the Dev lead for item storage or w/e is responding. As always thank you for the translation Camate.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

Can you make a massive storage system that is limited to only our Mog House?

For this as well, we need to investigate how we allocate our system resources or if we can restructure the system.

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Thank you for looking into this. Please try your hardest to make this happen.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

While we will not be able to completely fix this, we are searching for some way to do something about it.

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While I understand it's not desirable to have a long wait when changing areas, I believe it's something the player base would be more than willing to put up with in exchange for more space.

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Originally Posted by Yoji_Fujito

we need to make sure that it meshes with Adoulin content, so unfortunately I cannot respond to this.

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I really hope this is something you can do. It's a great system that you put a lot of work into, but is currently going to waste.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Thank you for the detailed response! It's very much appreciated :)

tldr; no, no, no, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, <i don't know how to answer that question>

seriously though, it is always nice to get some answers, at least, whether we like what we hear or not. with very limited numbers and sources plus the spaghetti code, they are still doing a very good job keeping the game alive and kicking (ok, it is more like crawling these days but you got the point :P).

Could we at the very least have; Accessories, Belts Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 10 (Empyrean Armor+2)", this way we would not be needing "Storage Slip 08 (NQ Empyrean Armor)" and "Storage Slip 09 (Empyrean Armor+1)" once we've gotten all Empyrean Armor+2.

"Storage Slip 06 (Relic)" Accessories, Belts, Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 13* (Relic+2)".

"Storage Slip 08 (NQ Empyrean Armor)" Accessories, Belts, Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 10 (Empyrean Armor+2)".

This would free up 4* spaces, Please and thank you!

Probably something only I would be interested in, but when "storage that is shared between accounts" was mentioned, I had always envisioned a Linkshell storage system, kind of kin to the Guild Banks in so many other MMOs. I realize this is probably a pipe dream at best but thinking of a large crafting linkshell that would put crafting items into the Linkshell Bank and you could withdraw from it (in stations like a Delivery Moogle or maybe even like a Sack/Satchel).
Would such a system be possible, or even desirable at this point?

An idea struck me as I was messing about in my mog garden today. Could we have some kind of chest in our mog garden that is similar to the gil box (I love putting gil i'm reserving in there so I dont spend it all). So if we run out of our main inventory space we could have say a box that has 80 inventory and we could just plop stuff in it, but could only access it from the mog garden, kind of how like storage used to be as well. For example, all the stuff we get from our mog garden could go in there since none of it displays on our characters.

This last bit is just theory assuming the above is possible. We could put multiple boxes in the garden. Then each box would be it's own code? OR or! Make a box for each mog slip, then you could free up the inventory being used for the mog slips and keep the same idea? Not really sure how that all works but it'd be neat, and make sense from a Lore standpoint. We are saving our goods in 'crates' and 'bins' and such like.

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Originally Posted by Krashport

Could we at the very least have; Accessories, Belts Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 10 (Empyrean Armor+2)", this way we would not be needing "Storage Slip 08 (NQ Empyrean Armor)" and "Storage Slip 09 (Empyrean Armor+1)" once we've gotten all Empyrean Armor+2.

"Storage Slip 06 (Relic)" Accessories, Belts, Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 13* (Relic+2)".

"Storage Slip 08 (NQ Empyrean Armor)" Accessories, Belts, Earrings, Backs Etc~ moved to "Storage Slip 10 (Empyrean Armor+2)".

This would free up 4* spaces, Please and thank you!

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I would suggest 1 modification to this.
Allowing us to store accessories on empyrean armor slips 8, 9 and 10, so as you progress through the upgrading system for armor, you can remove 8, and then 9 as you go. The same would apply to relic armor storage slips, allowing us to store accessories on slips 6, 7, and 13.

I shudder at the thought of having to sift through stored -1 relic armor whilest grabbing relevant gear for the job I am intending to play.

Changing what a slip stores means that they would have to update each character's slips data.
If the character doesn't have the slip for the moved items then it has to be automatically created.
If the bag is full then the conversion cannot be done.

So a probable answer is no.

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Originally Posted by Zohno

Changing what a slip stores means that they would have to update each character's slips data.
If the character doesn't have the slip for the moved items then it has to be automatically created.
If the bag is full then the conversion cannot be done.

So a probable answer is no.

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Release a new slip that holds the desired items and let people move the items manually to the new slip, then dispose of the old one on their own?

Greetings,

Bumping this thread to share some information about a storage inquiry and future storage plans.

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Make it possible to store job specific mantles with the Porter Moogle!

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The items that can be stored with the Porter Moogle are determined by a constant rule, and this is because there are limitations to the Porter Moogle system itself.

The job specific mantles that were added this past July fall outside of this rule. However, this does not mean that we will never change this in the future, but for now we will be keeping this policy in place.

On a side note, we are planning to make it possible to store the reforged artifact equipment with Porter Moogle system.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Bumping this thread to share some information about a storage inquiry and future storage plans.


The items that can be stored with the Porter Moogle are determined by a constant rule, and this is because there are limitations to the Porter Moogle system itself.

The job specific mantles that were added this past July fall outside of this rule. However, this does not mean that we will never change this in the future, but for now we will be keeping this policy in place.

On a side note, we are planning to make it possible to store the reforged artifact equipment with Porter Moogle system.

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Now seems like a good time to change the rule. Since new AF will likely be on its own slip, why not let us store the capes on the same slip if they will fit? Strictly from item quantity I don't see why they would not since the AF weapons are storable on the old slip.

Additionally, please allow us to store pulse equipment from VW and meebles on the VW slip.

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Originally Posted by pancakesandsx

Now seems like a good time to change the rule. Since new AF will likely be on its own slip, why not let us store the capes on the same slip if they will fit? Strictly from item quantity I don't see why they would not since the AF weapons are storable on the old slip.

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Not to mention how the Abyssean JSE is storable on the empy gear slip... (though dear god would it be nice to be able to have those on the +1 and +2 slips as well... then I could just store all my jobs' gear on one slip...)

Though I don't think the RF will be on a new slip.... RUN and GEO's 109AF is on slip4... so I'm pretty sure everyone else's 109AF1 will be on it too...

BUUUUT the 119AF1 (RF1+1) will probably be on a new slip. (what is that? 12? 13?)
And I expect the RF2 (119AF2) and RF3 (119AF3) will also be on that same slip... since it seems Matsui wants all three AFs to be equal and each piece be situational...

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Originally Posted by FaeQueenCory

Not to mention how the Abyssean JSE is storable on the empy gear slip... (though dear god would it be nice to be able to have those on the +1 and +2 slips as well... then I could just store all my jobs' gear on one slip...)

Though I don't think the RF will be on a new slip.... RUN and GEO's 109AF is on slip4... so I'm pretty sure everyone else's 109AF1 will be on it too...

BUUUUT the 119AF1 (RF1+1) will probably be on a new slip. (what is that? 12? 13?)
And I expect the RF2 (119AF2) and RF3 (119AF3) will also be on that same slip... since it seems Matsui wants all three AFs to be equal and each piece be situational...

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What you are suggesting would mean over 330 pieces of gear on one slip. While I would certainly appreciate it, I'm not sure they can do that currently.

Currently the most packed slips have under 150 items on them.

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Originally Posted by pancakesandsx

Now seems like a good time to change the rule. Since new AF will likely be on its own slip, why not let us store the capes on the same slip if they will fit? Strictly from item quantity I don't see why they would not since the AF weapons are storable on the old slip.

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I agree with this 100%, it makes sense, I don't know why you would not simply make these changes when you add the RF gear to a new slip.

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Originally Posted by pancakesandsx

What you are suggesting would mean over 330 pieces of gear on one slip. While I would certainly appreciate it, I'm not sure they can do that currently.

Currently the most packed slips have under 150 items on them.

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We're talking.... maybe megabytes here. Kilobytes in all likelihood.
You wanna know the "data strain" that that would do? Make an excel spreadsheet, fill 150 variables with data... now double that... and look at how much bigger your spreadsheet grew.
If that amount of growth is "detrimental"... I'm gonna need SE to stop running this game on commodore64s.

EDIT: TEXT data.
Ain't no computers running off of img data.

People seem to forget that FFXI was coded to work with 56K connections, which means that every little bit of data that goes back and forth is optimized down to the bit level to reduce bandwidth. They're working with eleven-year-old constraints that many modern MMO developers take for granted. What you may think is a very simple, obvious change might result in a huge time investment that will introduce a huge number of bugs and cut into time that would otherwise be used to develop new content.

You may as well be asking Matsui to swallow a watermelon whole.

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Originally Posted by Renaissance2K

People seem to forget that FFXI was coded to work with 56K connections, which means that every little bit of data that goes back and forth is optimized down to the bit level to reduce bandwidth. They're working with eleven-year-old constraints that many modern MMO developers take for granted. What you may think is a very simple, obvious change might result in a huge time investment that will introduce a huge number of bugs and cut into time that would otherwise be used to develop new content.

You may as well be asking Matsui to swallow a watermelon whole.

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Except not at all.
The slips function in a server-to-client way.
The slip is just a tool to retrieve the data within...
And while I am not sure if the "what is inside" data is stored client or server side... ultimately that doesn't matter.
Because we are talking about two different things.

You're talking bandwidth.
This has nothing to do with bandwidth.
This is a table. No different than the magian trials tables or any other table in the game.
Having more pages on a slip will not increase bandwidth usage anymore than storing 6 sets on your slip increases bandwidth usage compared to 3 sets.

Adding more "items" to a slip's table doesn't affect bandwidth.
It affects server or client memory size... to use a simple computer comparison that everyone knows: adding to data to a slip is increasing the space on the hard-drive that file takes up. It still requires the same amount of RAM to open and read the file regardless of how big the file is.

FFXI has already solved the "problem" with having extremely large tables being accessed on dial-up connections: the tables are broken up into appropriately sized "pages".
This is why when you try to remove an item from a slip, you aren't looking at a table of all the items on the slip, you are looking at a portion, broken up into manageable sizes of data.

So your point is invalid.

what needs to be done is there needs to be a new system, and its a novel idea... ready?... 1 slip.

1 slip to resolve storing all your gear. When you trade the slip to the moogle, it opens sub-menu's for all the content related equipment and weapons. Broken down like "Artifact" "Relic" "Empyrean" "Aht Urghan" "Blah Blah". And if you didn't trade the specific content related equipment with the slip, the catagory is grayed out so you can't select it because there's no gear stored in that category. I would really like to see everything simplified to storing with 1 NPC, rather than 5 different ones in different content zones. Likewise, make all weapons storable. My moghouse is looking like a medieval arsenal.

1 slip is a great idea, until you realise that it would be either a nightmare or impossible with this game otherwise they would have very likely done it before now.

Nuts to this storage slip business. Give me an NPC that I can trade all my gear to and give me an Auction House-type listing. Let me go down the list by slot, see the stats of everything I have stored and remove it with the click of a button.

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Originally Posted by Catmato

Nuts to this storage slip business. Give me an NPC that I can trade all my gear to and give me an Auction House-type listing. Let me go down the list by slot, see the stats of everything I have stored and remove it with the click of a button.

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As long as it doesn't end up with us paying like the old AF storage npc does when we want to take something out fine by me.

Ah I had suggested an idea b4 but looking at their explanation for all the ideas not being used here...still I would still like to suggest ( in the interest of keeping our stuff organized AND creating more space) simply "duplicating" our current inventory system then categorizing it. Like duplicating our item bag and categorizing like "food" "spells" "weapons" and such and have it AUTOMATICALLY go in each category so all we have to do is switch to it and fish whatever gear it is out of there. Heck it could maybe even be duplicated enough so things could be categorized even more specifically but at least let us have that kind of simplified categorization so things aren't just, well the way they are now just thrown together helter-skelter. Now this is working on the idea that the storage s CAN be duplicated. If it can't obviously the whole thing is moot.

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Ah I had suggested an idea b4 but looking at their explanation for all the ideas not being used here...still I would still like to suggest ( in the interest of keeping our stuff organized AND creating more space) simply "duplicating" our current inventory system then categorizing it. Like duplicating our item bag and categorizing like "food" "spells" "weapons" and such and have it AUTOMATICALLY go in each category so all we have to do is switch to it and fish whatever gear it is out of there. Heck it could maybe even be duplicated enough so things could be categorized even more specifically but at least let us have that kind of simplified categorization so things aren't just, well the way they are now just thrown together helter-skelter. Now this is working on the idea that the storage s CAN be duplicated. If it can't obviously the whole thing is moot.

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I made a suggestion earlier along these lines. They say they can't make any inventories larger than 80 items, so I suggested an 80 item inventory for each equipment slot.

No, not like that, like...hmmm how to explain...hmmm. Ok like just as an example the item bag. Not make it bigger just like split it into say six with (I'll say the maximum) 80 count slots. And then if that works do it for all the inventory we currently have. I believe they'd technically have to duplicate it but IF they could it may work out better because it's just erm 2 of-well six of them and not, say a mog purse, pack, chest, casket, and doggy bag. Just a little technical cheating, ya know? And I think their response was that it may cause lag I think, can't really be sure because they mostly seemed to want to make sure that they addressed the slip arguments thoroughly. Ah well maybe they'll find it actually works and use it eh?

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Originally Posted by Catmato

I made a suggestion earlier along these lines. They say they can't make any inventories larger than 80 items, so I suggested an 80 item inventory for each equipment slot.

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Yeah they didn't respond directly to your suggestion so cross your fingers :)

My Blue Mage equipment list is 80 items, that means before I lot anything I have to first throw junk in sack/satchel, it's really annoying.

Also means I have to stop bazaaring anything and take off my linkshell when I play Blu.

....Fat Chocobo? :)

...How fat? :p