FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto [Blue Mage]

I've always kinda thought that azure lore should open up your spell list. I mean it is a two hour and while it's been improved it's mostly only good for solo situations since blu's scs do nothing but attract dd's to ws right in the middle.

But honestly I don't see a 20 minute ability that allows you to cast a single unset spell would break the purpose of blu.

Also, where is the question about our spell sets?! 1 minute recast is fine but spending 2 minutes swapping out the spells and then a minute cooling down is just annoying.

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Originally Posted by Airget

you misread what he's saying, he's implying that a BLU can change their strategy on the whim by changing the spells on hand not a BLU learns new spells in the middle of a fight lol. He's saying that if you were to change without the 1min downtime to use it would defeat the purpose of what a BLU spell list is since then basically you'd be able to use every spell in essence.

Perhaps as a suggestion such as PUPs are asking for with their automatons it would be nice to see the ability to set different list of BLU spells so one can change faster. If you consider that there is a 1 min penalty after setting spells the reality is the penalty is longer depending on how many spells and considering what spells you'd like to set so in reality the penalty may range from 2-4 minutes.

Perhaps, when you open the blu mage spell list to add spells I think the 1 min penalty should start then, if you don't set any spells then the timer disappears, however if you do set spells then the timer will stay for whatever time is left after setting the spells. In this sense then there is an actual static 1min penalty rather then the variable considering the time it takes to set new spells.

The logic behind this is, while you are in the blue mage spell list to choose spells you are unable to really input other commands so it seems like it wouldnt' be to tough to implement the timer then rather then after setting all spells.

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I approve of this idea.

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Originally Posted by Mizuharu

Dear Thieves,

If any of you were proper, non-Abyssea burned Thieves, you'd have TH6 in traits/gear outside of abyssea and TH7 inside. Where as, for a BLU to set 4 spells to get one tier in Treasure Hunter (which won't be able to upgrade it higher than trait.) And there's only two spells that make Gilfinder at the moment. Meaning two new spells will be added to make it for the 4 spells. Not to mention the fact that BLUs have always been able to make most every job trait in this game save for some newer ones.

As for Triple Attack, it will only be 5% proc rate. Where as Thieves can get 10% thanks to merits and then +7~10% (depending on if they use Triplus Dagger or not) in gear for idling in. 5% compared to 17~20% (+15% from Atma of the Apoc.)

In closing, shut up. Grow up. Deal with it.

Sincerely,
A Theif

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Stop using bad atma. Sincerely, a not Thief.

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Originally Posted by Mizuharu

Dear Thieves,

If any of you were proper, non-Abyssea burned Thieves, you'd have TH6 in traits/gear outside of abyssea and TH7 inside. Where as, for a BLU to set 4 spells to get one tier in Treasure Hunter (which won't be able to upgrade it higher than trait.) And there's only two spells that make Gilfinder at the moment. Meaning two new spells will be added to make it for the 4 spells. Not to mention the fact that BLUs have always been able to make most every job trait in this game save for some newer ones.

As for Triple Attack, it will only be 5% proc rate. Where as Thieves can get 10% thanks to merits and then +7~10% (depending on if they use Triplus Dagger or not) in gear for idling in. 5% compared to 17~20% (+15% from Atma of the Apoc.)

In closing, shut up. Grow up. Deal with it.

Sincerely,
A Theif

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Too bad anything over TH2 does pretty much nothing based on recent tests. Until someone shows me tests proving otherwise a BLU with TH1 and a TH+1 taru sash is on nearly the same level as THF when it comes to making things drop. Not to mention Bounty shot and Dipper Yuly and oh yeah.. anyone who chooses to /thf. As for your randomly generated abyssea burning comment my THF makes yours look like a turd sandwich. SE is handing out THFs staples to other jobs update after update and giving us -> nothing <- in return. If you don't see why a THF main would be annoyed by now I don't know what to say to you.

AnywHay. This is a BLU thread and I don't intend on highjacking it so I will "flee" back to the THF threads.

BLU/THF pwnds with Vanity Dive

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Originally Posted by Mizuharu

Dear Thieves,

If any of you were proper, non-Abyssea burned Thieves, you'd have TH6 in traits/gear outside of abyssea and TH7 inside. Where as, for a BLU to set 4 spells to get one tier in Treasure Hunter (which won't be able to upgrade it higher than trait.) And there's only two spells that make Gilfinder at the moment. Meaning two new spells will be added to make it for the 4 spells. Not to mention the fact that BLUs have always been able to make most every job trait in this game save for some newer ones.

As for Triple Attack, it will only be 5% proc rate. Where as Thieves can get 10% thanks to merits and then +7~10% (depending on if they use Triplus Dagger or not) in gear for idling in. 5% compared to 17~20% (+15% from Atma of the Apoc.)

In closing, shut up. Grow up. Deal with it.

Sincerely,
A Theif

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There's so much wrong in everything you say...
First off abyssea burning doesnt change how good a person is. If they suck it's because they're idiots. Secondly you fail to realize that extra th traits from gear do FAR less than the actual job traits.
Are you even serious trying to count GEAR thf wears against it? Are you operating on the assumption that everyone runs around naked? Same thing with apoc atma. And since you seem to insist on people gimping themselves for TH(hello atma) I suppose the same thing can apply to blu. th2 from sj+ th2(minimum since they did say enhancing TH levels)+ th Sash+ atma is TH6 which is only 1 level below thf. The way things were presented makes it possibly sound even worse since if extra gilfinder translates into TH then subbing thf pre learns gilfinder for another +1 and can wear 2 other pieces for more gilfinder in order to get above thf in base TH. Then lets team them up with lolrng and bounty shot with the rng subbing nin for the greelow . So now we got a more consistent TH upgrade system than thf with similar levels of base TH. great start there. I cant see at all why thf might get a little pissed about Aura steal being left as it's so called defining job trait when dispel/finale exists and not on a 5 minute timer.

In short. learn how NOT to suck since it's quite obvious you probably do and you don't realize it yet. Deal with it. Oh and idling gear is for idling and not melee.

Sincerely, a thf that knows better than to think haste/ta gear is used when idle.

Very satisfied with these announcements. Only thing I could ask for is a backend change to blue magic damage calculations to scale better against high level targets, but hopefully HNM spells fix this.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Too bad anything over TH2 does pretty much nothing based on recent tests. Until someone shows me tests proving otherwise a BLU with TH1 and a TH+1 taru sash is on nearly the same level as THF when it comes to making things drop. Not to mention Bounty shot and Dipper Yuly and oh yeah.. anyone who chooses to /thf. As for your randomly generated abyssea burning comment my THF makes yours look like a turd sandwich. SE is handing out THFs staples to other jobs update after update and giving us -> nothing <- in return. If you don't see why a THF main would be annoyed by now I don't know what to say to you.

AnywHay. This is a BLU thread and I don't intend on highjacking it so I will "flee" back to the THF threads.

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They've been giving out other jobs' core abilities for years. THF is still the best at all the stuff that's being spread around, and still retains more unique abilities and job roles than many others who've had their tricks handed out over the years (Take RDM for instance).


Back to the topic on hand though... It looks like our Manifesto response was a resounding "No". It kinda pisses me off, as many of the other Manifesto responses at least appeared to consider some of the feedback given even though half the questions they addressed were absolutely retarded. What's more is that ours was one of the most unified of threads that I've read. So many of us were saying the same thing and agreeing with most of the proposals that were made. You would think that would count for something...

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Originally Posted by Khajit

There's so much wrong in everything you say...
First off abyssea burning doesnt change how good a person is. If they suck it's because they're idiots. Secondly you fail to realize that extra th traits from gear do FAR less than the actual job traits.
Are you even serious trying to count GEAR thf wears against it? Are you operating on the assumption that everyone runs around naked? Same thing with apoc atma. And since you seem to insist on people gimping themselves for TH(hello atma) I suppose the same thing can apply to blu. th2 from sj+ th2(minimum since they did say enhancing TH levels)+ th Sash+ atma is TH6 which is only 1 level below thf. The way things were presented makes it possibly sound even worse since if extra gilfinder translates into TH then subbing thf pre learns gilfinder for another +1 and can wear 2 other pieces for more gilfinder in order to get above thf in base TH. Then lets team them up with lolrng and bounty shot with the rng subbing nin for the greelow . So now we got a more consistent TH upgrade system than thf with similar levels of base TH. great start there. I cant see at all why thf might get a little pissed about Aura steal being left as it's so called defining job trait when dispel/finale exists and not on a 5 minute timer.

In short. learn how NOT to suck since it's quite obvious you probably do and you don't realize it yet. Deal with it. Oh and idling gear is for idling and not melee.

Sincerely, a thf that knows better than to think haste/ta gear is used when idle.

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You're missing a lot of fundamental knowledge about BLU Job Traits. First off, they said Gilfinder will turn into Treasure Hunter. That means we can set TH1, not TH2.

Second, who says that TH1 with a piece of gear/atma with TH+1 is the same as a THF's TH2? The actual trait may very well be different from Gear/Atma enhancements. (Needs a fair amount of long and tedious testing to know for sure)

Third, BLU Job Traits NEVER stack with the genuine Job Traits. Our first level Job Trait is the base level of that Trait, not +1 to that Trait. For instance, if we sub RDM and set the Fast Cast trait, it does nothing. Same goes for Double Attack and /WAR, Evasion Bonus and /THF, etc. As such, setting TH will not stack with /THF.

you get TH2 from /thf sub anyway.

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Originally Posted by Airget

you misread what he's saying, he's implying that a BLU can change their strategy on the whim by changing the spells on hand not a BLU learns new spells in the middle of a fight lol. He's saying that if you were to change without the 1min downtime to use it would defeat the purpose of what a BLU spell list is since then basically you'd be able to use every spell in essence.

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No I read it that way at first then I realized other than being a proc whore this doesn't happen or you just learned the spell. Can you think of a time you need to swap spells mid event other than you didn't have the spell and just learned it or need to set a spell to proc? Because I can't.

Can they at least adjust Blu procs for VW? because the recast timer is a giant hindrance if you don't have that spell set.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

Only thing I could ask for is a backend change to blue magic damage calculations to scale better against high level targets

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This is the one thing I'd ask for as well. I'd also accept a frontend change, or a change on either side. Even a change to the top or bottom would be fine. I'm not picky!

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Dear SE,

What the f*ck did we ever do to you?

Sincerely,
Thieves

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^ What he said

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Originally Posted by Zagen

No I read it that way at first then I realized other than being a proc whore this doesn't happen or you just learned the spell. Can you think of a time you need to swap spells mid event other than you didn't have the spell and just learned it or need to set a spell to proc? Because I can't.

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Erm isn't a spell to proc enough? Maybe you thinking about abyssea then yeah one spell is fine to change but if you even did a VW on BLU... ewww... Setting all darkness spells and waiting a minute just to see at 10sec before you can cast someone is staggering with bio III, damn go back and let's change to fire spells.. 30 sec passed "guys its Darkness HQ again".... ffs...

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Originally Posted by Mizuharu

Dear Thieves,

If any of you were proper, non-Abyssea burned Thieves, you'd have TH6 in traits/gear outside of abyssea and TH7 inside. Where as, for a BLU to set 4 spells to get one tier in Treasure Hunter (which won't be able to upgrade it higher than trait.)

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Dear Mizuharu, a Thief,

If you had taken it upon yourself to do any research on thief or even just venture into the thief forum, you would have discovered that current testing is showing TH traits, +TH gears, and level up procs from melee are just about worthless and add almost nothing to the drop rate. TH1 and TH2 traits are the only ones that are actually worthwhile.

Sincerly,
A more informed Thief.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

On the other hand, it seems like a good enhancement to Blue Magic Attack would be the best way to increase spell damage on anything with more defense than a peeled, boiled potato. Something like +10~25% from a job trait, or +50~100% from a one-spell job ability.

Of course, it could just be changed to receive bonuses from food, which would probably make me happier than any other change.

Or am I way off in thinking this? I'm sure you've examined the effects of Blue Magic Attack way more than I have.

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If we were to recieve percentage increases to Blue Magic Attack I'd be over the moon. As a job trait though, I don't think it'll be likely.

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Originally Posted by Khajit

There's so much wrong in everything you say...
First off abyssea burning doesnt change how good a person is. If they suck it's because they're idiots. Secondly you fail to realize that extra th traits from gear do FAR less than the actual job traits.

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TH is a lie when you most need it anyway. So really this whole argument is pointless.

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In short. learn how NOT to suck since it's quite obvious you probably do and you don't realize it yet. Deal with it. Oh and idling gear is for idling and not melee.

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Forgive me for using the incorrect term.

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Sincerely, a thf that knows better than to think haste/ta gear is used when idle.

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Idle gear - I swap in TH+ gear so that, when I engage the next monster, I can land the max amount of TH as possible. Then I either swap to haste gear (if I'm not pulling it far from where it was pulled from), EVA gear if I'm tanking, or skadi feet if I'm running it back far (eva + skadi feet is what I mean). Obviously, Haste gear is better for every melee job. Haste > Dual Wield > Acc > TA/DA/Occ Attack #. Then of course there's gear sets for SA/TA to max out damage on those, and gear sets for DE/Evisceration/M. Stab... And so on and so on...

I'll apologize for my early comments, but I'd appreciate it if you too would apologize. I do know how to play the jobs I leveled. Oh, and I never said I used Atma of the Apoc/Atma of Dread on my THF. I was just pointing those out.

Attempting to get back on track... Hopefully the HNM spells won't be terrible. 5min recast JA to use them so seems more likely they'll be useful~ When's the update next month again?

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

Erm isn't a spell to proc enough? Maybe you thinking about abyssea then yeah one spell is fine to change but if you even did a VW on BLU... ewww... Setting all darkness spells and waiting a minute just to see at 10sec before you can cast someone is staggering with bio III, damn go back and let's change to fire spells.. 30 sec passed "guys its Darkness HQ again".... ffs...

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I think you missed my original point as that was a response to someone else commenting on it. The reason(excuse) SE gave is that the 1 minute restriction is a "battle strategy" and I said that concept is lost when a BLU doesn't normally swap spells at all besides procing and just learned spells, either situation the "battle strategy" reason is BS at best. There is no good reason we have to wait 1 minute, heck setting it to 0 does nothing other than slightly reduce fight time on proc mobs and that doesn't make BLU broken.

Ignoring the salty THF's, a lot of stuff mentioned that noones picked up on.

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Add blue magic that can only be used while under the effects of Azure Lore.

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While it won’t be for Azure Lore, in the next version update we will be introducing a new ability that will allow you to use HNM abilities while under its effects.

There will be no need to set the HNM abilities and you will be able to use them once the ability recast timer is up (planning for 5 minutes or thereabouts).
*You will still need to learn the spell beforehand.

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Nice! A new job ability! :D I wonder if it'll have an effect on all spells, or just provide access to HNM.

Thank god the HNM spells are not tacked onto Azure Lore too.

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We will be making balance adjustments to the increases in set numbers depending on your level.

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This is interesting. I hope I'm interpreting this wrong but an increase to the number of spells we can set by level? (i.e. LV1-10 6 Spells Max, LV31-40 25 spells max). I've never had an issue with the limit as I've always run out of set points, so hopefully some additional set points will come too.

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Reduce or get rid of the penalty incurred after setting blue magic spells.

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The concept is that you acquire blue magic spells via learning and then you can change battle strategies by picking and choosing spells within the blue magic spell points and set limitations. If you were able to change spells freely, the whole battle strategy aspect would be lost, so we have no plans to remove/reduce the penalty.

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Thank you.

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Make it possible to enhance job traits.

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The below job traits are set so they can be enhanced.

Dual Wield/Fast Cast/Store TP/HPmax/MPmax/Auto Regen/Counter/Magic Burst Bonus/Skill Chain Bonus

While it is not possible to enhance all of the above job traits at level 90, with further level cap increase and the addition of new blue magic spells it will be possible to enhance them.

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Higher tiers of Fast Cast coming. Good. They still need to fix our Fast Cast though.

Higher tier of Store TP - Very nice.

Counter 2? Sweet. BLU/MNK can cap counter rate with that.

Higher Tier of Auto Regen - I did not see that coming. Nice, but with 6 set spell point it costs for T1 Auto Regen

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Also, when double attack/gilfinder are enhanced, we are planning to have them change into triple attack/treasure hunter.

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Triple Attack - This will be interesting. However there is the thought that Blue Mage doesn't get a lot of Triple Attack equipment.

Trait - 5%
Homam Corazza - 1%
Epona's Ring - 3%

Without more Triple Attack equipment and assuming the trait is the same strength as THF TA1, we're looking at a grand total of 9% TA. And with Homam Corazza already outclassed in every way, it's really just 8%.

That's poor.

5% Triple Attack Trait < 10% Double Attack Trait.

To make this even considerably worthwhile, Blue Mage needs a higher rate of TA.

At the very least, they would need to make the DA Khanda +2 turn into TA. A GOOD amount of TA.

Treasure Hunter - TH1? Pointless. TH2? I'd be interested.

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Originally Posted by Zagen

I think you missed my original point as that was a response to someone else commenting on it. The reason(excuse) SE gave is that the 1 minute restriction is a "battle strategy" and I said that concept is lost when a BLU doesn't normally swap spells at all besides procing and just learned spells, either situation the "battle strategy" reason is BS at best. There is no good reason we have to wait 1 minute, heck setting it to 0 does nothing other than slightly reduce fight time on proc mobs and that doesn't make BLU broken.

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You're misunderstanding this.

FUCK YEA BOI SPIKE FLAIL!!!!

hope its not a Spike fail.....

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We will be making balance adjustments to the increases in set numbers depending on your level.

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1 Set Point per level. Bam, solved. I would never complain about set points again.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Dear SE,

What the f*ck did we ever do to you?

Sincerely,
Thieves

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Stop you're whining and go back to your THF forum, this is for us BLU's and all the awesome it is to be BLU, god the last few posts turned into THF's this and TH that, anyway.... Most of the things I'm very excited and happy about, a 5min recast JA that allows us to use HNM spells w/o setting them, yes this gives me hope that HNM spells won't be gimped as so many spells have >.> *looks at Reaving Wind and Exuviation and a few others...*

This is easily one of, if not, the best responses SE has made for manifesto adjustments. THFs gtfo and stop whining over TH1 going to other classes. It's not like BLU has much going for it outside Abyssea against high DEF mobs.

Edit: Though I am disappointed about SE's lack of understanding the set spells dilemma!

Their response to BLU Magic Spell casting time was disappointing. The cast times may be on par with similar grade nukes, but the recasts are obscenely longer, and the range from which we can cast are typically half or less.

The reason cast time is an issue is because we have to be so close to cast, and for our spells to go off. First off, it leaves us in AOE Range for a dangerously long time (on mobs that matter), and second, it greatly prohibits us from being able to land these spells in a kited fight.

Fixing the casting time OR the range of our Magic Based spells would be just fine.

the reason they wont change our Magical blu spells is because blu -aga magic isnt effected by enemy number. blm aga-s are effected by how many enemies, dropping down their damage. though we are screwed on range/kiting, it would be nice if our gravity spells lasted longer or we got some duration+ gear. or just a aga-bind or better gravity. but idm, charged whisker rocks and regurgitation has always been cool. also maybe we're not meant to be rdm or blm/rdm :P

thf's complaining about drop rate obviously dont know how frustrating it is farming on ANY other job. TH1 is nothing. War should be more pissed that we get their DA1. TA sucks without AoA atma and blu has a hard enough decision about atmas already. should be 10% JT but we lose the 10% DA and have to set 4 spells..

Counter sucks because we have to use enervation. but counter2 could be really nice ^^ depending which spells get attached to it (and thier set point costs).

glad to hear we'll get white wind! at least i know where to start farming after the update :)

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Originally Posted by Sylvr

The reason cast time is an issue is because we have to be so close to cast, and for our spells to go off. First off, it leaves us in AOE Range for a dangerously long time (on mobs that matter), and second, it greatly prohibits us from being able to land these spells in a kited fight.

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I can channel the lonely, tormented spirit of a member of the FFXI development team and answer this in a truly unsatisfying manner for you!

"For those occasions when you want to stay away from a monster, we recommend exploring your current long-range options. All four and a half of them."

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Add an ability that allows you to use cast blue magic spells that are not currently set.

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Originally Posted by Camate

We tried looking into this, but it would make having to set spells beforehand nearly pointless, so we will be putting this idea on the back burner for now.

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Ten minute ability that allows a BLU to use one spell that they haven't set, for double the MP cost. Done.

Also consider making Azure Lore have this effect.

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Make changes so that blue magic skill, not healing magic skill enhances the cure bonus for healing-type blue magic spells.

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Originally Posted by Camate

This was set this way purposefully so that the effect is enhanced more when you select a support job that has healing magic skill, and the cure amount is based on this number.

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While it is nice that you want Blue Mage to sub Scholar, when are non Blue Magic healing spells going to be more affected by healing magic skill?

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Originally Posted by Tashan

You're misunderstanding this.

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Enlighten me then.

plen embrace does quite a bit of healing without /sch or /whm etc. i think they want you to /mage if you want to be the main healer and /dd or /tank when you want to do other things. think of it more like a bonus rather then a hindrance. if they said "want us to add more damage from elemental skill when subbing blm?" we would say 'hell yes'!

the whole ability to access even 1 spell or 2hour for any spell is that they want you to think, that's why you have to set spells, and too bad for you. you can argue spell access doesnt matter and only JT sets matter. that would certainly make blu more awesome. but it seems like they wont budge on this.

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Not the point. The point is that blue magic is actually drastically affected by healing magic, even though it is a blue magic spell. I'm fine with the way it works for Blue Mage. I want healing magic skill to affect healing magic more. Granted, this is a bit off topic from Blue Mage, but it is related to what they said.

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Long recasts still force you to think. Maybe BLM/BRD have to wait ten minutes between Bard procs due to terrible accuracy, which forces them to be absolutely sure the timing is right. A long recast ability that can only cast one spell with a minor penalty wouldn't break the sets, but allow stuff like procs to be triggered if you are in a bad situation. I'm surprised they said no without at least mentioning something specific like this. Instead they said they'd put it on the backburner, so I'm trying to speed it up.

Perhaps the 2hour shouldn't have all spells access, but suggesting it until they personally, and specifically shoot it down and give a valid reason is better then not a bad thing, especially since I'm pretty much campaigning to get all two hours a boost somewhere in the 90's even if it only works at 90+ or whatever.

I swear sometimes Azure Lore last about 5sec on me. They should also make Azure Lore give us access to cast all blue magic, including HNM spells without the downtime of that new job ability.

regarding magical spells, and aoe cure etc. plen embrace mp cost is rather very high imo. I hope the new magical damaging spells, and cure spells isn't mind blowing high on mp cost.

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

the reason they wont change our Magical blu spells is because blu -aga magic isnt effected by enemy number. blm aga-s are effected by how many enemies, dropping down their damage. though we are screwed on range/kiting, it would be nice if our gravity spells lasted longer or we got some duration+ gear. or just a aga-bind or better gravity. but idm, charged whisker rocks and regurgitation has always been cool. also maybe we're not meant to be rdm or blm/rdm :P

thf's complaining about drop rate obviously dont know how frustrating it is farming on ANY other job. TH1 is nothing. War should be more pissed that we get their DA1. TA sucks without AoA atma and blu has a hard enough decision about atmas already. should be 10% JT but we lose the 10% DA and have to set 4 spells..

Counter sucks because we have to use enervation. but counter2 could be really nice ^^ depending which spells get attached to it (and thier set point costs).

glad to hear we'll get white wind! at least i know where to start farming after the update :)

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Charged Whisker isn't really that good outside of Abyssea. The only reason it's good inside is Atmas. This is true of a lot of various jobs' WSs, Abilities, and gear. Outside, Whirl of Rage outdoes Whisker in every way.

personally i dont think any of the magical spells are good outside abyssea. but there's no point in using them anyways unless you're fighting something that only takes magic damage (cuz its in the air or w/e). outside we have breath spells and /thf.

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Long recasts still force you to think. Maybe BLM/BRD have to wait ten minutes between Bard procs due to terrible accuracy

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i can land threnody on blu/brd or whm/brd. only a few nm's are super resistant and not immune. this is the price you pay for going /brd and not bringing a main brd. if you have problems on every nm, maybe go skill your singing up to 45 cap. its not about accuracy its that brd only has a C rank in singing and you're /brd with no instrument. you could buy a Singing+3 earring and trade ABC's for the Musical Earring. And i believe auger's legs have +4 singing skill.

I'm sure ill get nothing but hate on this, but i honestly don't want to see anymore blue spells. Theirs around 130 already with more to come the next two lvl increases. Thats a tremendous amount of spells for any single job. Even more so when you consider how you obtain blue spells as opposed to other jobs spells.

If the Community Team is still monitoring this thread; I'd like to know what the devs think of allowing BLU's to set their spell through text commands as well as through the menu(so you could do so in battle w/o having to pass through menus). I saw a post in the JP section awhile ago where someone suggested something like "/bm "Spell" on/off" as a text command for setting/removing blue magic spells from the list.

I'll be interested to see what other players think of that in addition to the devs.

I know you don't want to ruin your strategy of spell-selection, SE. But what about making it so that Blue Mage can have two saved sets? Then select some ability to switch between them, keeping the minute-long cooldown for using the spells again. It would just help with spell-selection when they need to change things up.

Really not sure why the Thieves are whining so much, a 3~9% increase in droprate is still at least 10% more drops over time even with high droprates (blue proc etc)... If you're pulling your weight in the damage department, that's more than enough to justify bringing a THF to me. For rarer items, bringing a THF main outweighs any other role you could bring in that slot if you have the basics covered.

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Originally Posted by Tashan

Triple Attack - This will be interesting. However there is the thought that Blue Mage doesn't get a lot of Triple Attack equipment.

Trait - 5%
Homam Corazza - 1%
Epona's Ring - 3%

Without more Triple Attack equipment and assuming the trait is the same strength as THF TA1, we're looking at a grand total of 9% TA. And with Homam Corazza already outclassed in every way, it's really just 8%.

That's poor.

5% Triple Attack Trait < 10% Double Attack Trait.

To make this even considerably worthwhile, Blue Mage needs a higher rate of TA.

At the very least, they would need to make the DA Khanda +2 turn into TA. A GOOD amount of TA.

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The trait is primarily interesting for the ability to have DA and TA traits at the same time, making /WAR a more viable DD subjob over the standard /NIN. We're unlikely to ever have a high enough amount of either stat to give 5% TA any sort of meaningful value over 10% DA, nevermind the set point cost involved.

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Originally Posted by Camate

I believe this comment is mainly meant for magical type blue spells, but the casting time has been set while considering the power, added effects, and other usages.
Though it depends on the type, the casting time is pretty reasonable when comparing to elemental magic and enhancing magic, so we have no plans to change this.

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The casting times are fairly reasonable and kiting is largely dead so the main issue (short range + long recast time = out of range mob) is of less concern (extended time in AoE range due to low range on some spells is still undesirable), but the recasts on some of the spells are ridiculous and in sore need of adjustment. For instance, Firespit's recast is as long as Fire V's. For new spells, Leafstorm, Thermal Pulse, Charged Whisker, and Everyone's Grudge have recasts far in excess of any BLM nuke save for the tier II Ancient Magic spells despite being less potent barring use against a large number of targets, but bear in mind that Everyone's Grudge is single target and that high-level fights generally only have one target to damage, a situation in which our nukes and debuffs are frequently preferable to physical spells due to extremely low attack and meager means of boosting it (add a JA/trait for this!). They're also part of a relatively small selection of nukes as opposed to BLM's extensive repertoire, which leaves only MP as a limiting factor for them whereas we are potentially limited by both MP and recast timers, especially on NMs with high resistance to specific elements such as water.

Benthic Typhoon's recast is high enough that it's nigh impossible to both maintain the defense down debuff fulltime and consistently self-skillchain with it unless you have haste and marches active, and even then you'd be better off using CDC > Goblin Rush to make Fusion unless the recast is up within a fairly short window of opportunity. I'm hoping for a new Gravitation property spell though!

I wouldn't mind long recasts if they magical spells we had didn't suck in most cases.