To Dev's, are there any plans to fix Neo Nyzul Isle?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

It's obvious to anyone that has done nyzul that luck factor is 100% of the event. .

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That doesn't make the event not winnable.
In fact, with good players you can win 30% or more of the runs you go on. Quit complaining so much about an event thats easy to win, and go do it instead of being such a bad player.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I'm just saying the way you put it seems insulting, it seems as if you jump to conclusions and think all others much cheat because they make progress in this event, even if you cant. I don't know if you have done this, if you care, or what is said on other forums. I was simply telling you how it sounded from where I'm sitting & how it seemed. In either case if he cheats then oh well, I really couldn't care less at this point simply because this game is disappointing me alot lately, and if they cheat then so be it, they get a reward they don't deserve and likely don't know how to use. This isn't aimed at him either though, its simply how I feel about anyone who cheats for this gear.

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It's ok Mr troll, I don't think I mentionned anywhere I don't make progress in the event ? I'm entitle to criticize an event about as much as you, even when you disagree with it. Nyzul complaints scored high in the census, and SE implicity admitted massive cheating by "fixing the bug lamp", so .. welcome to ffxi ? Whenever people can cheat, they do it especially when it's not controlled. If you want to verify what I'm saying go in beaucedine glacier and enjoy the show.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Yeah ok Mr noone, since when can you see lamps on radar when they are further than casting range ? Me think you are mixing somoething with something-radar (common cheat). Try harder ?

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wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Radar

Casting range? What?

wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Distance

I never said I was anyone in the first place. So Mr. noone fits. I think Demon6324236 sums up the situation in his post or two so not much else really needs to be said.

You could "try harder" to say I am cheating though. It does not matter if we saw lamp numbers as we all split up on a lamp floor so if someone spots a register (commonly known as hey we haven't found a lamp yet) we all turn and run to it. It is the same strategy regardless. Seeing mob numbers does nothing either as we spread out and kill. If the floor is over go up and if not we keep looking for the mobs. Nothing changes that at all and why you think that saves time I do not know.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I'm saying claiming that the radar allows you to see lamps is an obviously skewed argument

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Because knowing there is a lamp in that maze or not saves time from having to round corners to check?

Saying seeing mob numbers and lamp numbers when the order is completely random now, allows you to win much more is much more skewed than saying that the radar/compass helps.

A sprinters drink will do you more good than knowing there are a certain number of mobs on the floor. If the floor hasn't been completed then obviously there are more mobs. What is the advantage there?

In all honesty does standing near the "tha winnurs R jus' ull cheet3rz" line to make up for the likely assumption that you struggle to do Nyzul? It is completely obvious that it is not even close to impossible for people (lets say 6 PS2 players while we are at it) to win this event regularly.
Any argument for changing the way Nyzul is should not come to the basis of going on about cheats. My take on it is that someone like Razielrinz can't preform well in Nyzul and hides behind 'well they are just cheaters is why I can't win' line of childish and petty logic.

All these groups win not because they are superman with x ray vision through walls, but because they are a solid, well geared, and coordinated group from the get-go.

The radar only show objects next to you idiot. The ability to check ITG mobs through walls, know in advance where a boss or a family is or where a lamp is has been a common cheat ever since nyzul V1 that was never fixed. There is a reason people QQ about nyzul, because even with massive cheat the win rate is pathetic (even less now).

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The radar only show objects next to you idiot.

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What happened to you going on about casting range? AKA 20 yalms. Besides saying radar sounds close to a popular cheat. I suggest you differentiate yourself from those cheaters. So can we stop with the cheating nonsense being thrown left and right?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The ability to check ITG mobs through walls, know in advance where a boss or a family is or where a lamp is has been a common cheat ever since nyzul V1 that was never fixed.

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I guess not. Is everything a "cheat" to you?

I suppose hitting tab repetitively and it getting things randomly in the distance you can not see yet is a common cheat too? While we are at is we could stoop to Rosina levels and just call gear swapping cheating. At this point I just don't know anymore.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

There is a reason people QQ about nyzul, because even with massive cheat the win rate is pathetic (even less now).

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OH SNAP! THE CHEATS HAVE EVOLVED INTO "MASSIVE CHEAT"!

What is a pathetic win rate anyway? I would say the win rates of others that have been mentioned in Nyzul threads are not pathetic at all.

I think people QQ because they are not having the game roll over and give up under their glare like with almost all the other content. Take that for what you will though.

You don't insult anyone, yet you call me a troll for telling you how I read what you sounded like, and call him an idiot for... what again? Looks like he knows how it works, thats why hes linking it to you in the 1st place. And I said I don't know your progress, but from how you seem to act, and the general opinion you have given about its gear much like VW, I assume you either don't have any, or don't have much. If I'm wrong, oh well, nothing that really mattered to me, its just that you seem to be saying hes a cheater & condemning him without knowing for sure, and to be so adamant about someone cheating who of which you likely don't know I figure you either have a grudge against them, or the event, and in this case I suspect the event. The reason for that is because you have shown this attitude when talking to others about this, and even gave your challenge for someone to post a vid of winning. This all adds up to you saying anyone who claims to win, are cheaters. Or at least this is how it looks to me, in either case don't misunderstand my words... its rather annoying to have to correct it.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

and even gave your challenge for someone to post a vid of winning. This all adds up to you saying anyone who claims to win, are cheaters. Or at least this is how it looks to me, in either case don't misunderstand my words... its rather annoying to have to correct it.

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I would go out and post videos just for them, but I am sure they would start saying that other members must have been looking through walls while making pacts with the the patron saint Joe Pesci while tickling the midget who cleans the bathrooms near the servers. Then happens to return the favor by quickly becoming a FFXI savant whom blinks once, sneezes, and wiggles their nose. Causing then a cascade of free floor nine floor jumps over and over. Magically handing 30 pieces of floor 100 gear to myself as well as the cure for the diabetes my static formed in the course of a month of running every three to four days for a couple of hours.

It is just willful ignorance and you can not do much about that. That attitude from them is mildly amusing though.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

What happened to you going on about casting range? AKA 20 yalms. Besides saying radar sounds close to a popular cheat. I suggest you differentiate yourself from those cheaters. So can we stop with the cheating nonsense being thrown left and right?



I guess not. Is everything a "cheat" to you?

I suppose hitting tab repetitively and it getting things randomly in the distance you can not see yet is a common cheat too? While we are at is we could stoop to Rosina levels and just call gear swapping cheating. At this point I just don't know anymore.



OH SNAP! THE CHEATS HAVE EVOLVED INTO "MASSIVE CHEAT"!

What is a pathetic win rate anyway? I would say the win rates of others that have been mentioned in Nyzul threads are not pathetic at all.

I think people QQ because they are not having the game roll over and give up under their glare like with almost all the other content. Take that for what you will though.

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Your are using the same argument as the 50 other NNI fans that preceded you. So your opinion is just that, one of a cheater willing to defend his pixels.

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I assume you either don't have any, or don't have much

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That's because you don't think out of the box, the difference between you and me is that I can analyze an event whether I'm implied or not. I'm not the kind of person to QQ for the sake of QQing, I'm letting this to the BG crowed. The fact NNI is the worst event released ever, and that people used to massively cheat and still massively cheat. You know, back at 75 every single Fafnir was botted but it didn't bother SE much, and also people have always botted their fishes without SE doing serious countermeasures.

Also your opinon doesn't matter since you have one on every single which by definition makes you a bad troll ? Do the event and then make up your opinion.

I have done NNI, I have not won it due to bad jumps or stupid party members. Its not as if I just talk out my ass. My opinion is the event is to luck based, skill mitigates the luck factor, so does gear, however neither of the 2 can remove luck as it is built as a core mechanic of the event. Luck should exist in the game as it is a base RPG & MMO element however the amount of things that are at random in NNI is to much, which leads me to think of it as a poor event. There are parts of it that are unnecessary luck, such as order lamps. Same time & code require teamwork, as everyone must time it together for them to win, or they must gather at the coded lamp, while remembering the way back to the start to continue on. Pathos are another thing of luck that I disagree with, they can easily kill you depending on what floor they land on and what one it is. For instance a Kill All floor, when your Embrava just went down at the end of the last floor, and you are restricted to no White Magic, or a Boss floor with no Weapon Skills.

In the end, I know people cheat and always have, its something people do on any game in existence, they find a way to cheat, and do it. In this case, people cheat in NNI a number of ways. Flee hacking, clipping, fillmode(sees through walls), the old .dat hacking, and probably more. The fact of the matter is that unless you know the person is cheating you cant really make that call. The attitude you seem to have about it leads me to believe you have not beat it, or have such a hard time with it, that anyone you see who says they have 15/15, and a high win rate must be cheaters because to you, there is no other way.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Your are using the same argument as the 50 other NNI fans that preceded you. So your opinion is just that, one of a cheater willing to defend his pixels.

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*looks at your signature picture*

Riiiiiight.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

That's because you don't think out of the box

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Ignorance is bliss.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

the difference between you and me is that I can analyze an event whether I'm implied or not. I'm not the kind of person to QQ for the sake of QQing,

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What..? Analyze a statement you mean?
Analyze a event? Like Nyzul? Either the English is poor or you have something to do with being able to analyze Nyzul as an event.

At least you admit you are crying rather than actually putting up some real element to debate. "QQ I can get a 99 relic, but Nyzul (which actually takes less work to get gear than doing ADL, who while we are at it also is not something you can win all of the time and goes down to chance aka RNG) because mainly cheaters only win Nyzul".

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The fact NNI is the worst event released ever, and that people used to massively cheat and still massively cheat.

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FFS when it comes down to it I see more people 'flee hacking' in Dynamis and everyday Vana'diel life because they are just being lazy. I am willing to bet there are more chocobo blinker bots than people who even do Nzyul.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The fact NNI is the worst event released ever, and that people used to massively cheat and still massively cheat. You know, back at 75 every single Fafnir was botted but it didn't bother SE much, and also people have always botted their fishes without SE doing serious countermeasures.

Also your opinon doesn't matter since you have one on every single which by definition makes you a bad troll ? Do the event and then make up your opinion.

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I will leave you with your own response.

"Also your opinon doesn't matter since you have one on every single which by definition makes you a bad troll ? Do the event and then make up your opinion."

This event is/has always been highly skewed with luck, even if you are using 3rd party tools.
People who use them know the risk and don't go crying bloody murder if they get b&.
With that said, you don't "need" an optimal set up for the event, the mobs aren't hard and it's just nyzul.
However, if you want to up your chances of winning, you better have a way you can communicate fast and embrava up for efficiency.
The only reason I would use for SE nerfing Embrava, is so that the win rate (hitting floor 100) will be dramatically reduced, making more attempts required to max out at 15/15. The longer they can keep you running on the hamster wheel, the more months you will dump into their billing cycle to keep your characters active while we mentally wait for SoA. Oh, and if you think they're going to nerf anything about NNI's funtastic win-rate with Embrava's nerf, take off the rose colored glasses and smell the Folger's in your cup. It's a crappy use of artificial difficulty.

Be half of an adult and hit "ignore" on me/pchan instead of turning the thread into another rendition of "the troll that cried troll".

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

The longer they can keep you running on the hamster wheel, the more months you will dump into their billing cycle to keep your characters active while we mentally wait for SoA.

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The only problem with this is people like me who look at stupid shit and then walk away from the game for that reason, rather than staying & running on my wheel.

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Originally Posted by Plasticleg

Be half of an adult and hit "ignore" on me/pchan instead of turning the thread into another rendition of "the troll that cried troll".

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I think the entire world hit the "ignore" button on Pchan.

My favorite thing about Pchan is that he uses parsers, windower, and other 3rd party tools, then tries to give other people grief about using them.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

My favorite thing about Pchan is that he uses parsers, windower, and other 3rd party tools, then tries to give other people grief about using them.

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Hey, everyone knows parsers are game breaking. Anyone who ever won Nyzul used a parser!

I retract my previous statement about everyone being a cheat. I have talked extensively with some people who run this on my server and these people win without cheating so it is possible. I guess my complaint comes down to its not fun for me. Ok this is my opinion, its not fun to have to spend all the time I have in game trying to get the right people together to run this event to get a couple pieces of gear that I want. All the good people I know either have 15/15 and are done with it cause its not a fun event to run or are in statics trying to get their 15/15. I have spent 2 weeks in game trying to put together the right group to no avail. So I guess my true gripe is it is not fun to have to spend time trying to put this together with my limited time. People I trust to not cheat say its possible (just really hard) to win reliably without cheating then I withdraw my argument that everyone is cheating. I do think that if this was like old Nyzul (even with different drop rates) it would be better for people like me who have limited time and limited resources.

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

I retract my previous statement about everyone being a cheat. I have talked extensively with some people who run this on my server and these people win without cheating so it is possible.

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You don't say?

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

I guess my complaint comes down to its not fun for me.

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Perhaps you are just not ready for Nyzul? Perhaps you just need more practice? It is only not fun for you because you are not winning and do nothing but struggle. It honestly should not be that way.

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

Ok this is my opinion, its not fun to have to spend all the time I have in game trying to get the right people together to run this event to get a couple pieces of gear that I want. All the good people I know either have 15/15 and are done with it cause its not a fun event to run or are in statics trying to get their 15/15. I have spent 2 weeks in game trying to put together the right group to no avail. So I guess my true gripe is it is not fun to have to spend time trying to put this together with my limited time.

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What..? I can go to PJ right now and in one shout I will have a handful of people who want to go. Generally they are all well prepared believe it or not. Almost every single person out of maybe 15 people I have seen interested in coming with me has some form of emperian/relic/mythic. If they do not then at least everyone else has the next best thing.

Make a post on AH.com or even anywhere for that matter? Evaluate the days and times you are going? Talk to people you know? I assure you that (assuming you are not geared casually) this event can be done very causally. In fact some people that I have had in the static (after 30 pieces of gear people come in and out here and there) outside of school, work, life, etc do not have much time for the game.

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

People I trust to not cheat say its possible (just really hard) to win reliably without cheating then I withdraw my argument that everyone is cheating.

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It still is not "hard" it just has chance play a factor.

It is not hard to draw the shortest or longest straws when drawing straws. Chance just plays a roll and you get what you get.

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Originally Posted by Razielrinz

I do think that if this was like old Nyzul (even with different drop rates) it would be better for people like me who have limited time and limited resources.

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Introducing Meeble Burrows! What, do you want a Mythic for each job too?

I do think that perhaps an event that drops some of the best gear in the game in a single 30M run perhaps might just not be the event you are looking for. Perhaps from everything I have heard you are not cut out for Nyzul because from everything I have gathered you just are not that good.

Don't take it personally as it speaks to nothing of you as a person. Most of the game is accessible to you easily. Just not everything is your cup of tea at this point.

Just to say, because someone does not enjoy an event does not mean "is only not fun for you because you are not winning" some things are just generally boring, I mean honestly, alot of this game is boring for me winning or not.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Just to say, because someone does not enjoy an event does not mean "is only not fun for you because you are not winning" some things are just generally boring, I mean honestly, alot of this game is boring for me winning or not.

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After them going on about only the cheaters win. Which do you think is more likely?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Just to say, because someone does not enjoy an event does not mean "is only not fun for you because you are not winning" some things are just generally boring, I mean honestly, alot of this game is boring for me winning or not.

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This. I'm finding it pretty amazing that this thread keeps going page after page with the same guy telling all opposition to this event that they're terrible at the game and dictating what's fun at everyone around him. Reminds me of a former patient that was obsessed with Baseball to the point where he'd argue with himself about batting averages.

NNI excludes a greater range of players than most other events. To be effective is to have 4 x high powered DD and 2 SCH. I've done some and had a mixed set of runs which weren't bad for a pickup. It's designed for statics with PUGs having random luck. This excludes a considerable portion of the population who don't have a) SCH and decent Enhancing skill or b) a certain melee DD with a 90+ empy/mythic/relic weapon.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

This. I'm finding it pretty amazing that this thread keeps going page after page with the same guy telling all opposition to this event that they're terrible at the game and dictating what's fun at everyone around him. Reminds me of a former patient that was obsessed with Baseball to the point where he'd argue with himself about batting averages.

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I am now a mental patient.

Love your analogies Caketime.

Stay thirsty my friend.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

I am now a mental patient.

Love your analogies Caketime.

Stay thirsty my friend.

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You said it, not me. I pretty much gave up on having an intelligent conversation with you when you posted against the idea of having a built in voice chat option for the game simply to oppose everything I said. I mean, who would want that sort of functionality when we can just use third party apps?

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Originally Posted by Caketime

You said it, not me. I pretty much gave up on having an intelligent conversation with you when you posted against the idea of having a built in voice chat option for the game simply to oppose everything I said. I mean, who would want that sort of functionality when we can just use third party apps?

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Well doesn't that just speak volumes?

Why should SE put in development time for a voice chat system across multiple platforms when 9 times out of 10 people who have internet and this game have a computer to use that internet on? The idea is just silly and a huge waste of time since it is not just for a single platform.

I am not out to oppose everything you said and you know that. You were the one who first started saying it did not matter what I said as you did not really care one way or the other, not I. so please do not try to put spin on it.

You seem to say third party apps like it is a bad thing. Yes Skype is a third party application, but so is an internet browser for that matter.

I wish SE develop their own internet browser so I did not have to use third party applications for posting on the FFXI official forums!

The simple fact that voice chat is essential to win (with your piercing eyes seeing faraway through walls and still useful dat numbers) should say enough to SE :

First what do I do as french if I team up with non french speakers ; I mean I can understand and type engish relatively correctly but as for oral english nope.

What about me playing with japanese or ukrainians ?

So basically as french I'm forced to play with french, and the game supports french I hear. I mean the french forums are empty.

But I think we should be waiting first for the new 2Hours nerf before pseculating about the changes?

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Well doesn't that just speak volumes?

Why should SE put in development time for a voice chat system across multiple platforms when 9 times out of 10 people who have internet and this game have a computer to use that internet on? The idea is just silly and a huge waste of time since it is not just for a single platform.

I am not out to oppose everything you said and you know that. You were the one who first started saying it did not matter what I said as you did not really care one way or the other, not I. so please do not try to put spin on it.

You seem to say third party apps like it is a bad thing. Yes Skype is a third party application, but so is an internet browser for that matter.

I wish SE develop their own internet browser so I did not have to use third party applications for posting on the FFXI official forums!

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I agree wholeheartedly with you. Why should SE develop something that already exists? I mean they should just stop developing games entirely. Most people who have a computer / console gaming system already have games installed, so no need for SE to run out and develop more. Why would people want to pay them to develop something that already exists right?

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Why should SE put in development time for a voice chat system across multiple platforms when 9 times out of 10 people who have internet and this game have a computer to use that internet on? The idea is just silly and a huge waste of time since it is not just for a single platform.

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Because built in voice chatting would eliminate the requirement for using things like Skype to talk to someone for a one time event or a pick-up party, and voice chatting makes communication easier. I'm sure you think it's completely stupid since you've managed to write another post that is completely against the idea simply because I'm the one talking about it. You would rather give out your contact information to people, and that's fine, but I'm not one of those and I feel that being able to voice chat without having to screw around with a contact list or worrying if the person I'm giving my information to is going to be a shitlord and order me a bunch of pizzas or something would be immensely convenient. Awesome, even.

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I am not out to oppose everything you said and you know that. You were the one who first started saying it did not matter what I said as you did not really care one way or the other, not I. so please do not try to put spin on it.

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Clearly you are, as your entire post is about how stupid the idea is and is based only on your contempt for me rather than anything tangible.

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You seem to say third party apps like it is a bad thing. Yes Skype is a third party application, but so is an internet browser for that matter.

I wish SE develop their own internet browser so I did not have to use third party applications for posting on the FFXI official forums!

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This is where you're confusing yourself with things I posted and shit you've made up. Third party apps aren't bad, but people are, and I expect the worst from each and every one of them. I'm sure you'll find a reason to justify your stance while attempting to discredit and/or misquote me, looking forward to that. Could you also add some assumptions in as well? That'd be great.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I agree wholeheartedly with you. Why should SE develop something that already exists? I mean they should just stop developing games entirely. Most people who have a computer / console gaming system already have games installed, so no need for SE to run out and develop more. Why would people want to pay them to develop something that already exists right?

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Thats getting a bit stupid with it imo. It would be nice for SE to add a voice system to FFXI seeing as communication is a massive part needed in some events such as NNI. At the same time making one may ultimately be undo-able for cross platform. If you cant talk via cross platform it seems kinda pointless seeing as the only players who would be able to use it would likely be PC players, which already have access to other forms like Skype. Also players who only play FFXI on Xbox and not on PC, could use Skype on a nearby computer rather than being unable to because their friend/party are using "game-chat".

As for it being because of third-party programs, if that is the reason why that is being talked about even, its stupid. I am 99% sure when third-party programs come up they are referring to any program made by someone other than SE which directly interacts with the game in some way. Internet Explorer does not, Skype does not, Windower does, Parsers do. Easy way to tell the difference in my opinion.

If SE is counting things like Skype & Internet Explorer against players, then they need to ban every PC player on the game for the internet, most players on Xbox for Xbox Live voice-chat/skype & the internet, and some PS2 players for the internet & chat programs.

One thing we know about SE's voice chat system: it will suck and people will hate it.

What a silly thing to request.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Because built in voice chatting would eliminate the requirement for using things like Skype to talk to someone for a one time event or a pick-up party, and voice chatting makes communication easier. I'm sure you think it's completely stupid since you've managed to write another post that is completely against the idea simply because I'm the one talking about it. You would rather give out your contact information to people, and that's fine, but I'm not one of those and I feel that being able to voice chat without having to screw around with a contact list or worrying if the person I'm giving my information to is going to be a shitlord and order me a bunch of pizzas or something would be immensely convenient. Awesome, even.

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If this is your concern, then you simply make a 2nd account with completely false information. For instance I have a Skype account I use with people I do not know or do not trust, I live in 666, Asshole Dr. in the city of Hell, Ohio. Obviously such a place does not exist, my info is not given out, and I can talk with whomever I wish. Best thing about this is since nothing on the account even matters anyways you can name it something pointlessly retarded you remember easily with the password of 123456 and it doesn't matter because the only use for it is to talk to people you will probably never really talk to again anyways.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

If this is your concern, then you simply make a 2nd account with completely false information. For instance I have a Skype account I use with people I do not know or do not trust, I live in 666, Asshole Dr. in the city of Hell, Ohio. Obviously such a place does not exist, my info is not given out, and I can talk with whomever I wish. Best thing about this is since nothing on the account even matters anyways you can name it something pointlessly retarded you remember easily with the password of 123456 and it doesn't matter because the only use for it is to talk to people you will probably never really talk to again anyways.

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I will not do this.

Well then sorry to tell you but your chances of getting what you want is slim. As I said, the main reason SE would think about this I think is cross platform, and due to that likely not being possible, I just cant see them putting in the time to make it when other programs exist already that allow for easy voice communication.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Well then sorry to tell you but your chances of getting what you want is slim. As I said, the main reason SE would think about this I think is cross platform, and due to that likely not being possible, I just cant see them putting in the time to make it when other programs exist already that allow for easy voice communication.

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No need for apologies, I'm well aware that it's not likely to happen. I'm just surprised that there's such adamant opposition to it.

Well please don't take what I say as opposition, but simply as doubt.

yep, put me down with those who don't think neo-nyzul is broken. broken means something isn't working (see voidwatch drop rates, etc.), but it doesn't collapse, freeze, randomly play cb signals through your speakers or delete your drops. there's a difference between broken and stupid design, this falls into the latter. Just so we are clear on the part I consider a stupid design-if you do everything right you should reach your goal, here it's if you do everything right... maybe you get to your goal.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Most people who have a computer / console gaming system already have games installed, so no need for SE to run out and develop more. Why would people want to pay them to develop something that already exists right?

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Apples to oranges? Please don't be stupid with it.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Because built in voice chatting would eliminate the requirement for using things like Skype to talk to someone for a one time event or a pick-up party, and voice chatting makes communication easier.

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Chatting programs that exist by far and wide are generally for one platform. Skype is available on multiple platforms such as Linux. However the Linux version is an older version of Skype that does not really measure up to the Windows version. The Mac version of Skype also lags behind the Windows version. That is just a company dedicated to just Skype. You really want Square Enix with the lack of manpower on XI compared to their other projects. To stop what they are developing to make a decent VOIP for PS2/3, Xbox 360, and PC? You want them to make a VOIP for PS2 for that matter? Come on please do not be silly.

Once more even if SE took the time to make a decent three platform VOIP why would the majority of players stop using Skype, Vent, TS, or Mumble in favor of SEs VOIP? If you think about the whole picture there should be no reason I should have to really explain this.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

I'm sure you think it's completely stupid since you've managed to write another post that is completely against the idea simply because I'm the one talking about it.

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Please do not play the victim. It does not provide any real credence or substance to a conversation.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

You would rather give out your contact information to people, and that's fine, but I'm not one of those and I feel that being able to voice chat without having to screw around with a contact list or worrying if the person I'm giving my information to is going to be a shitlord and order me a bunch of pizzas or something would be immensely convenient. Awesome, even.

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I am going to avoid really even talking about this, but on a side note. How funny would it be if you turned out to be someone who uses a social network?

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Originally Posted by Caketime

Clearly you are, as your entire post is about how stupid the idea is and is based only on your contempt for me rather than anything tangible.

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Please reread my post and use your critical thinking skills. I believe this may provide you with clarification as to your belief I am against SE making a VOIP for the platforms of FFXI just because you want it. Once again, you are not special enough for me to single out and alter my speech just to spite you.

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Originally Posted by Caketime

This is where you're confusing yourself with things I posted and shit you've made up. Third party apps aren't bad, but people are, and I expect the worst from each and every one of them. I'm sure you'll find a reason to justify your stance while attempting to discredit and/or misquote me, looking forward to that. Could you also add some assumptions in as well? That'd be great.

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I am not out to justify what I say. Take it for what you will.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

yep, put me down with those who don't think neo-nyzul is broken.

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Shhh, you were supposed to drink the Kool-Aid on the way in.

You're right, you shouldn't have to explain your points, or justify any of your arguments because that would make too much sense. Let's have snow cones instead.

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You're right, you shouldn't have to explain your points, or justify any of your arguments because that would make too much sense. Let's have snow cones instead.

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Sure, sounds good.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Apples to oranges? Please don't be stupid with it.

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I wasn't being stupid with it. You were. The need for a chat app was created by SE. They put an event that more or less requires voice chat into a game that does not support voice chat. You are lacking important mental faculties if you don't see the problem there.

It's dumb to build an event that requires features not included in the game. It's extra dumb if you aren't even smart enough to sell the required features yourself and instead let some other guy provide them while simultaneously spamming your players with advertisements for competitors games and / or charging them money that you could have made your self. That is from a developer standpoint. From a customer standpoint, being against building the functionality needed to play the game into the game is just plain retarded.

Wait, why are people talking about voice chat being a "requirement" when JPs have beaten the event, and will continue to beat the event, despite almost never using voice chat? (In shout groups, no less)

Voice chat isn't a requirement, that's a silly thing to say...does it increase your chance of winning? Certainly, it helps your team coordinate better and that makes a huge, huge difference in this event- except that's something you can apply to every event...ever, including ones in other MMOs.

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One thing we know about SE's voice chat system: it will suck and people will hate it.

What a silly thing to request.

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Oh ho ho ho.

It is funny because it is true.