To Dev's, are there any plans to fix Neo Nyzul Isle?

[Sp1cyryan]

I wonder how many people who say this is fine or this is good cause its challenging are using 3rd party tools for the wins and just want to have "Exclusive Gear" to themselves. I see people running around my server with full sets and I just shake my head cause most of them are cheating. You know a event is too hard when the 15/15s are all most all cheaters.

The old "most are all cheaters" routine egh?

About the only thing they can cheat on now is 'flee hacking' since order lamps are completely random since last update. Running around that fast is easier to catch as well. So the desperate people are more likely to get caught.

The Ukon WAR for our group was at a concert tonight so we had a stand in TP bonus magian katana SAM. Obviously brining our DD down a bit.
Both of our first two runs had order floors that took three guesses and the first had a kill all with WS restricted. We won the first run with 2 minutes left and the second run with over five minutes left. It was all done legitimately, and now I have 15/15 on my main and 15 pieces between the mules. 10/10 for Squishytaru (the popular 99MNK with no sub job) and 5/5 on my general purpose crafting mule for WHM, RDM, and SCH.
After going 30/15 legitimately I will say once again this event is not hard and does not need a change.

The third run we had a DRG stand in that no one wanted to come except one person who has been pushing for it because they feel they owe them a win. Not only were they slower than the SAM for the numerous all floors (gogo struggling to break 2k stardiver) we had time penalty gears get tripped. DRG killing a weapon instead of going to a lamp, etc. Not to mention the bullshit sleepga around the corner from a skeleton for a minute. We still got to 90 anyway despite all that and the low floor jumps at the end.

I don't know how many examples I really need to provide to show this is an easy event that gets offset by bad luck at times.

[MarkovChain]

The old "most are all cheaters" routine egh?

About the only thing they can cheat on now is 'flee hacking' since order lamps are completely random since last update.

The fact that you are hiding the common cheating ways people are using tells enough why you are in a crusade to justify nyzul. You still know how many lamps there are and still see through walls which helps for 100% of floor types so yeah.

[Kitkat]

I wonder how many people who say this is fine or this is good cause its challenging are using 3rd party tools for the wins and just want to have "Exclusive Gear" to themselves. I see people running around my server with full sets and I just shake my head cause most of them are cheating. You know a event is too hard when the 15/15s are all most all cheaters.

Had the replacements of my group gone to the lengths the rest of us did to keep up our success rate I could have been 15/15 and we didn't cheat. The biggest things that worked against us was extremely large floors, multiple lamp order, poor jumps, or a combination of kill all+lamp order. We had roughly a 40% success rate at reaching floor 100 that dropped to a dismal 5% because of players who refused to get meds, follow direction, or just didn't have movement+ gear. This also happened when people refused to setup preferred list to include sprinters drink...or just didn't use it for some reason.

3 to 4 runs every 2-3 days with only 1-2 wins each time was our average turn around. There were times we got to floor 100 but couldn't kill before time expired. It doesn't take a cheater to only win, they just win easier than intended. It doesn't take a super elite player to win either, but you won't be winning it without average to above average gear and at least a lvl 85 emp weapon depending on job. I honestly don't think some jobs even need a relic or emp to beat this given how good merited WS are, but it certainly helps.

So if you are running around in less than average gear, or can't find a group of individuals that can follow directions, get meds, or use preferred items appropriately then yes...this event will not be easy or totally completable for you. You can however continue to do the event and set goals. Floor 60 and 80 drops the +2, +3, and piece of HQ KI which allows you to at least work on getting better gear as you work through the event. If all you are looking at is floor 100 completion and how "impossibly hard" it is then you missed the point of some of the changes SE has already made to the content.

Did I run around with some +3 items? Yes I did. I used these until I got the HQ items through the chance we actually made it all the way to floor 100, but the rate at which I got KI/+3 was low because we set the goal for floor 100 each run. This means we rarely saw floor boss on 20/40/60/80, but it still happened. If a group purposely sets a goal to hit these floors they still get better than average gear choices (at 80) and a chance to eventually get a HQ item. This is the part that has been set to players that aren't yet situated gear or else wise to reach 100 thus giving them a chance to get there, but at a slower rate.

Suggestion I made in a prior post wouldn't be any faster than this type of progression since the drop rates would be lowered exponentially to compensate for how much easier it would be to reach floor 100 via old nyzul way. You need to look at how adjustments would work in comparison to the gear reward before you automaticaly expect an adjustment. I know that if I ever did want to return to doing nyzul I would need either a semi-competent group with decent gear or a well geared group that is effecient to once again get floor 100 wins, but they would also have to understand that the win rate is rather low when done legitimately. One bad floor can cause the entire run to be lost in the long run, bad jump rates too. That is just how the event is set up, but at least getting to floor 100 is possible and getting at least 1 item 100% at your choice is nice. Some runs we managed to get 2 drops plus the KI giving some of us 2 items for 1 run.

My suggestion to you, before you say only cheaters can complete this, is to at least build a group for it first. The sch requirement is sadly just that...a requirement. They don't need to have 500 enhancing, but it certainly helps as does having +2 emp hands (this more so than 500 enhancing actually). If they can get more enhancing than base that would be ideal, but 500 is not a requirement it is just a bonus. Depending on what sort of DD you can compile and how well you know these people to follow directions, be willing to spend gil on meds, and agree on preferred items setup will be a vast majority of your success rate. I would then do full tags worth of 100 goal set runs just to see what your average attained floor is based on floor jumps. If you at least get 60, but your jump rates are poor (2~4 floors per jump) then you can easily hit floor 80 and possibly get 100 on occasion. If your jump rates are good and still 60 then you might want to see where your problem issues are, discuss it, and then try again to see if you can correct it before setting a goal.

Like I said, the success rate of my group was dictated by this and this above all else. When we ran into members who didn't give it their all and wasted time it created problems and also lowered overall moral (since 3 of the members were actually capped on gear but stuck around to help the rest). Why don't you try doing that first before you see someone with the gear and automatically assume cheater.

[MarkovChain]

You would be credible if you didn't emphasize on gear quality (empy 85+ guys) and not cheating. It's obvious to anyone that has done nyzul that luck factor is 100% of the event. Killall are among the faster floors obviously and time waster are all kind of lamps and bad floor jump# luck.

[Kitkat]

Incorrect, I stated that based on job emp of 85+ goes a long way. I did not state that gear had to be exceptional, but it couldn't be bad or poor either. And I actually emphasized on the fact of team work and overall utility of meds, spells, preferred items over gear. Gear is only a part of the equation. Do try to understand where I emphasize more over the lesser areas.

I also didn't state that luck had nothing to do with it, hence why I stated our success rate was under 50%, because there were runs where we did get bad luck with jumps, multiple order lamps, or multiple kill all floors. Just so you know, at floors 60+ you will run into HNM in kill all floors such as Hydra, Khimera, behemoth, or fafnir which do take longer than running into normal mobs and trashing them. Thus Kill all floors can be slower than any other floor you'll run into.

Kill all are still a a time waste over Kill spec, Kill fam, or code lamp. Even kill leader is faster than a kill all making the two most time consuming floors a kill all and lamp order floor. The secondary time waster comes from the fact that people are unwilling to use meds, use preferred items when needed, or do not follow directions (namely have one person dictate lamp order so time isn't wasted on two or more calling out orders). The least of these comes down to what you say I emphasized on since it is just a portion of the equation and through effort and time they can upgrade their gear choices (of which is true in any event regardless of how you look at it since more often than not that is the sole purpose of the event, to get better gear).

To further elaborate:
People don't do VW for no reason, they do it for drops which are for gear or items to upgrade certain gear (emp weapons).
People don't do Abyssea NM for no reason, they do them for KI or to upgrade to better gear/weapons, or as a form of income.
People don't do Dynamis for no reason, they do it for gear/weapon upgrades, to make relics, or as a form of income.
People didn't do Sky for no reason, they did it for gear or income.
People didn't do Kings for no reason, they did it for gear or income.
Salvage wasn't done for no reason, it was done for gear or income.

This is the only part of gear emphasizes I made, not that you had to be exceptionally well geared. You could be averagely geared, be competent enough to use different WS sets and tp sets as needed, and still go far in this event so long as team work and effort to use other viable enhancers takes place. That is a given for any event that has ever come into FFXI.

I'm starting to get the idea that some of you are more agitated that you can't do this with a mule or something and still get the gear rather than the actual difficulty. It isn't that hard of content, but it isn't something you're going to get into a pickup group and hope to succeed in with a high success rate either. In the 10 years the game has been around mentality for events has always had to change....this is no different.

[Sp1cyryan]

The fact that you are hiding the common cheating ways people are using tells enough why you are in a crusade to justify nyzul. You still know how many lamps there are and still see through walls which helps for 100% of floor types so yeah.

I am not hiding anything. -_-

I was putting out there that probably the most beneficial and common way of cheating was fixed by SE. The last big thing left is people who flee around the zone. Knowing how many lamps there are on the floor wouldn't change anything. People have to fan out and find them. I know the people I am running with (besides the DRK being on xbox) do not see how many lamps there are. As for the walls it is not game breaking either.

Looking through walls and knowing there is more than one lamp (no one uses their radar anymore..?) must be it! That must be how he generally has such an easy time in Nyzul!

McHammer - Too Legit to Quit.

[MarkovChain]

Looking through walls and knowing there is more than one lamp (no one uses their radar anymore..?) must be it! That must be how he generally has such an easy time in Nyzul!

McHammer - Too Legit to Quit.

Yeah ok Mr noone, since when can you see lamps on radar when they are further than casting range ? Me think you are mixing somoething with something-radar (common cheat). Try harder ? If you pop on a floor and see a "number 1" lamp there is a chance it's a code floor but if you see "lamp4" you know you'all have at least 4 lamps to seek. Simarly seeing through walls allows you to go quickly to them. Stop acting like you don't do all this lol. I'd say 99% of the player do it.

Name changing and seing through walls still cuts lamps floors, and all type of enemy floors by 2.

[Demon6324236]

Thats the insulting thing about you, no matter what someone says you refuse to believe them because they disagree with what you believe. I cant say hes cheating or not, but either way without knowing, you cant really accuse em of it.

[MarkovChain]

I don't insult anyone, I'm saying claiming that the radar allows you to see lamps is an obviously skewed argument ; the same guy he trying his best on every forum to justify nyzul, even claiming a 50% winrate post VU on some forums.

[Demon6324236]

I'm just saying the way you put it seems insulting, it seems as if you jump to conclusions and think all others much cheat because they make progress in this event, even if you cant. I don't know if you have done this, if you care, or what is said on other forums. I was simply telling you how it sounded from where I'm sitting & how it seemed. In either case if he cheats then oh well, I really couldn't care less at this point simply because this game is disappointing me alot lately, and if they cheat then so be it, they get a reward they don't deserve and likely don't know how to use. This isn't aimed at him either though, its simply how I feel about anyone who cheats for this gear.