If someone asks me for advice and I can answer them I will. If I can't answer them I'll refer them to someone else. In any case, I'll still provide them with a link to the wiki.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
Why shouldn't I provide someone with such a valuable tool?
And people shouldn't learn from the experience of others.... Because?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
Up the lvl to enter abyssea to 70 PLEASE
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07-20-2012, 12:04 AMTrisscar
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07-20-2012, 12:17 AMAndrejaMaybe you should "experiment" with gear swap macros, and see how much of a difference it really makes on your damage and abilities. People like you show that this thread has no purpose really since people who are too lazy to learn how to maximize their performance on their job will not do any better even with all that time spent with old-school partying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
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07-20-2012, 01:09 AMFrankReynolds
Ahh yes, I remember the good old days before wiki, back when you could get useful advice from your fellow player instead of being forced to follow links to some cold, useless wiki. Here is some great advice I've received in parties. See if you can figure out why learning in parties sucks.
"You should sub WHM on paladin. That way you can cure yourself more."
"Blu is a mage job. Please get back with the RDM and help cure."
"please cast bio, not dia. Bio does more damage."
as level 30 thief "There's no point in lining up. SA/TA does more damage if you use them separately."
"beastmaster needs chr. you should sub bard when you solo."
"Bard should not be pulling. Thief go pull a colibri"
"We should party in present day misereaux coast at birds. The mobs in abyssea only give like 30-40 xp." -
07-20-2012, 01:28 AMTrisscarPeople actually said that? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
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07-20-2012, 01:51 AMFrankReynoldsLol yeah, one group actually tried to make me get off nin sub and go /blm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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07-20-2012, 01:52 AMSpankWustlerSome of the monsters listed here didn't even exist until Treasures of Aht Urhgan. Others were only fought for a short time in one location at a low level. Crawlers make me think, "I loved fighting those because they weren't crabs!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
What did people fight before imps existed? More crabs. What did people often fight at the higher levels that were more time-consuming? More crabs. What did people fight after graduating from crabs? Various animated weapons forever and ever.
The further back in time you go, the less adaptable and more monotonous gaining levels and merits was. There's a reason that some people have a very strong and often very bad memory of fighting the same thing over and over. That monster was one of the only two options in the whole game, and the other option required at least a half-hour's walk.
And people were terrible at Final Fantasy XI. Flatly terrible. I was terrible. Almost everyone I met was terrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
What works in Final Fantasy XI just isn't apparent to the naked eye in most cases. Very little is displayed and the Development Bros have rarely explained how mechanics work. Because of that, experimenting usually has to involve recording a lot of data.
Why would people even try random emotes towards Voidexhibitionists with no indication that such action would do anything? No monster within Voidwatch, no NPC within Voidwatch, no deranged Development Bro who birthed Voidwatch; not a single one of those said anything about emoting towards the monsters.
Trying new things generally doesn't involve running around naked with a chocolate sundae on your head with a Siberian dwarf hamster on that sundae in the place of a Maraschino cherry because you've never done that before. It generally involves trying things that, based on some form of reasoning, a bro thinks might work or give him or her pleasure.
Actually, after thinking about the latter, I urgently need to go buy a Siberian dwarf hamster and some ice cream leaving me unable to finish thi -
07-20-2012, 03:10 AMTrisscarI know I'm going to regret asking, but dare I ask why they did so?Quote:
Originally Posted by FrankReynolds
Now Rosina, when I first started playing Blue Mage 4 years ago in the Titan server the general advice when I asked was "Don't level BLU, it's a lol job" and other such 'helpful' advice. So I had no one to help guide me and no parties to level in since no one recruited Blue Mages for experience points.
If not for the many different wiki out there, I doubt I would have been able to take Blue Mage as far as I have. The persistence has paid off, these days I feel like a juiced up HNM and I have gotten the last laugh in the end. -
07-20-2012, 03:37 AMhikobecause it's called blue MAGE and not blu KNIGHT? and had no idea of its melee capacityQuote:
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07-20-2012, 03:41 AMTrisscarI wish it was, as well. But the mentality of "If you have MP you're a healer" persisted up to when Aby came around, so it wasn't. Another demonstration of why people who hold the view proposed by the original poster have no clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by hiko
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07-20-2012, 03:42 AMTsukino_KajiMakes me think of a LS member who was just saying, back in the day, they were kicked out of an XP pt on DRG for being /sam and not /war.Quote:
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07-20-2012, 03:43 AMFrankReynolds
It was back when blu was first release. It had been out for maybe 6 weeks.
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07-20-2012, 08:53 AMKagetachiso your on a Japanese account then?Quote:
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07-20-2012, 08:58 AMKagetachiThe test server came out after all of Abyssea was releasedQuote:
Originally Posted by geekgirl101
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07-20-2012, 09:31 AMKagetachium actually, there were information sites out long before this game came to NA. overall, the wiki was just a reposting of those sites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
mysterytour, seems to have gone offline long ago
somepage.com is still active and predated the wiki.
there are also countless JP sites that have been around for a long time -
07-20-2012, 03:39 PMSpiritreaverYou said other stuff, but i stopped right there. And i think i DO understand. EXP flows like wine at a frat-house now...but it didn't for you and yours? sheesh...Quote:
Originally Posted by nyheen
You like challenges, how about this-would you consider the following having been a challenge?
Back in the day when i was lvling my THF(which was 'subjob only' to most), i had all of 2 parties from 61-75. Had to to get the vast majority of that exp from killing EP mobs. There was no such thing as exp rings or fov/gov pages of burns of any kind and there had been no adjustment to boost exp. Come home from work, spend hours flag up, killing EPs. For months. Even my LS at the time wouldn't invite me to exp...
Well? What do you think? Did i get good at the mechanics of THF during the obscene amount of time it took me to get THF 75? You bet i did. Was it a challenge? I surely think it was. Since i did it that way, it should be good enough for everyone else too right? Way wrong.
FFXI isn't brain surgery. All the jobs are variations on a theme and fall into DD, healer, buffer, or tank; or some mixture thereof. Having it take a rl year to reach max lvl cap was a challenge, but it wasn't an ideal one then and an even worse one now. Took forever but eventually even SE saw that and took steps to ease lvling.
There were gimps(lots of them) in '04 when i started and i've actually seen the number of just piss-poor players go down as time has progressed. If ppl having it easier than you did irks you...tough, that's life. My remaining grandparent was born in 1929 and i've never seen her once whine about all of us ingrates goin' about willy-nilly in our horseless wagons. Nope, not once and she was married with kids before she ever even saw a car in person.
My advice: worry about yourself ingame. Play the game to the lvl of excellence you feel is appropriate to challenge yourself and let the next guy worry about challenging him or herself, or not as the case may be. You'll enjoy the game tons more. If i hadn't adopted this outlook ways back, i don't think i would have lasted a year in FFXI. -
07-20-2012, 04:28 PMRosina
do ppl not know how to play an rpg anymore >.>
man this internet age is bugging the crap out me.
for all the trolls in here, you guys are full of stupidity. First off exp was raised outside abyssea. so it don't take long to lvl in 6man. With ring you can get 800+ exp chains after only 5 min of fighting.
Learning your class is done by DOING not reading. All you do is read or mimic
O btw just to clarafy... Troll post: a post made by a troll that does nothing but insult a poster or posters, does nothing to contribute to the topic.
trolls on this forums : Zerich and cidbahamut for starters. All theit posts seem to just berate other posters. And do nothing but this.
I seen more bad players then good on this game since leeching happen. Again more to this game then lvling and end game. Being good at the game is also knowing the lore, knowing the quests , knowing what to do and not to do.
I bet no know here knows of a quest line about a elvaan soldier ordelles cave and a time staff. -
07-20-2012, 04:31 PMRosinawhich didn't get too much referal in game. All i said was one stop info center. Barely anyone on garuda or lakshni made mention of those.... typically my question would be answered not "go to wiki"Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagetachi
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07-20-2012, 04:56 PMArconWho are you to tell me how to play? There is no one way to play it. Stop being a fascist about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
As to your other points:
- A troll is someone who posts with the intention of illiciting flame.
- EXP still sucks outside. 800 chains are nothing compared to Abyssea and the ring burns out in no time.
- If you need use it fifty times to realize that Provoke pulls hate, when you could as well have read about it, you're stupid.
- Knowing the lore is knowing about the game, not being good (or bad) at it. Case in point, I know about those and I'm still a good player. -
07-20-2012, 06:55 PMSlaxx
Rosina, I would guess I've been playing RPGs (both pen & paper and computer/console) since before you were born. I assure you I know how to play RPGs. Part of that extensive experience is in finding time efficient ways to level. You yourself have said that you've started 70 characters (I believe that was the number) over the years. You obviously enjoy leveling and have no problem doing it in a slower manner than I do, and that's fine. But your crusade against speed leveling (not everyone leeches) is beyond tiresome.
The sad thing is from your statements here I would bet that my level 30 job keying chests contributes far more than whatever level 99 job you may bring to the table. And guess what? Once I get that job to 99 I won't bring it to anything until I've properly skilled and equipped it.
Right now I have 10 jobs at 99 and I'll probably have 3 more in the next 2 weeks.
Right now I will take one out for general use and a second (THF) out if my LS is trying to raise TH value and my other job isn't needed.
Right now the rest of my jobs are in various states of skill/gear. When they get to a level that I find acceptable I will make them available to my LS for events. When I feel comfortable with my knowledge of the job (from various online resources and direct experience) then I will use it in general. -
07-20-2012, 09:25 PMLynchillesWow that brings me back. Somepage.com & Mysterytour were the places to go for maps.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagetachi
There you go again. Making sweeping generalizations. I know about that quest because it was one of the first "major" quests I did since I am an Elvaan from San D'Oria. Every now and again, when I'm back in Sandy, I'll change my title to "Obsidian Storm" just for kicks and because it reminds me of that obscure quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
You keep throwing around the word "troll" but honestly I think you need to look in the mirror. You are making absurd claims based on anecdotal evidence (i.e. "I see more bad players around now after Abyssea was released then there was before). This is not factual evidence in support of your conclusion. That is you presenting a myopic experience, running it through the filter of inductive reasoning, and using it to support a faulty argument.
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07-20-2012, 09:37 PMRosinaA couple of things i guess you are not getting, Pretty much asking question is a good ice breaker when your in a LS or meeting people. And also not everyone is on a PC/ has access to a PC. So getting "look up wiki" as the ONLY responce can be seen as rude, or anti social, or even lazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
If all you do is read wiki and follow it to a T, you may not learn your own tricks on how to do things that maybe no one has tried. I mean all you are doing is mimicing what you read. Only item I ever use wiki is if i'm stuck on a quest that no one has done.
This community has been slowly becoming not as social then in the past. That what I was trying to get at. -
07-20-2012, 09:45 PMRosina
@ lynch
I'm kinda doing that on purpose because certain people have been making the same generalizations about others as well. I'm not trying to say it in a rude way, it is more of a personal comment on how much the ffxi community change in how they address people. It does make me wonder how long some of you have been here. Considering a few (about 5) posters infact act so snarky and do NOTHING but post rude comments to anyone who disagrees with them. AkA calling THEM trolls, white knights, telling ppl they suck w/o actually seeing them, making up things about them like being on a crusade of some kind. When in reality people are just posting their 2 cents on the game, about what they see in the game, and only seek to improve the experience for new/returning players.
A few posters don't even post about the topic, they just take comments out of context and make it appear they are being rude. Then people jump on the bandwagon and twist what other posters are saying, which does nothing but start unneeded drama -
07-20-2012, 09:48 PMLynchillesHere you go again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
Your experience as far as I can tell, is limited to leveling jobs to 70 (or whatever) and then starting another character because you get bored or you have some crippling form of ADD or whatever your excuse of the day is.
For me (notice I am introducing this statement as a personal experience, not as a sweeping generalization about every other player in the game) the game is very social because I work with various linkshells on endgame activities such as voidwatch, neo-limbus, einherjar, etc. Or I work with friends on things like Dynamis, Assaults, Abyssea farming, etc.
The game in my experience is just as social today as it was when I first started playing in 2003.
In my opinion, based on my experienceThe social aspect in this game has shifted over the years from being "exp-party centric" to becoming "endgame-activity centric" because leveling via experience points parties has become less a part of the game due to alternate means of leveling. -
07-20-2012, 10:23 PMRosina
@ lynch
highest job before i quit for 6mnths was dnc lvl 95 thf sub. I di just give my personal opinion. But i can only assume as you guys assumed... you guys just skimed my post and twisted 90% of what I said. I only give what I personally see. I do not care of ppl speed level, not against it. I do it on occassion, but I don't leech or try not to leech.
I've personally been playing rpg since I was 6 years old. I'm 27.5 now.
If my posts seem rude, it unintentional. I am just extremely frustrated on how rude i've been treated JUST for playing the game the way I enjoy. I can't even make a post with out someone making a snide or snarky remark on my play style. Which had nothing to do with what I said.
My thing on what deems a bad players is laziness... aka leeching etc.
I also say or me or in my personal experience. You may want to reread some of my posts as I do say this. -
07-20-2012, 10:49 PMKomori
I think the only reason people make comments about your playstyle is because your trying to call people out for being bad for theres. You call us lazy for leeching jobs and yet your too lazy to even attempt to gear your characters.
If your going to try and bark and call out people like an elitist, you better be able to back it up and show us that your way has made you better than the rest of us. When it's made you worse, I'm not the "complete optimal, number cruncher" player, but I at least have TP and WS sets, evasion or PDT for some jobs. As well as try to gear my jobs and upgrade it to a spot where I'm comfortable.
If your going to dish it out, be ready to take it. You call out others on their playstyle so they call out your's. -
07-20-2012, 11:51 PMVivikI'm sure I'm not alone here in saying that every thread you post in you manage to derail and turn into a thread about how people are bad and anyone who does not share your opinion are just trolls.Quote:
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07-21-2012, 02:37 AMSpankWustlerMany times, I have pretended to be a lonely Deep Gnome with a fear of falling upward into the sky and a raging foot fetish while playing Final Fantasy XI.Quote:
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I have yet to be awarded role-playing experience for my efforts by the sadistic weirdos who are running this game. -
07-21-2012, 05:01 AMZerich
Can't Rosa just RP as someone who isn't retarded for one post?
She does claim to be an RP veteran, after all. -
07-21-2012, 07:59 AMRAISTor how everyone is apparently out to get her for some reason.Quote:
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And about her calling people trolls....
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07-21-2012, 11:50 AMInfidiMaybe your GM was too busy banning a fishing bot that day? :)Quote:
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07-21-2012, 09:28 PMScuro
Well this certainly is getting heated lol.
You don't get "bonus points" or increased street cred for having leveled your job up the long way, and whose to say it really is as such? I mean I could say I spent the time and leveled my RNG up for years! But the fact of the matter is its 99 and I got it in 3 days. I've seen people that have taken the time to level up their jobs be just as worthless as a BLU with 15 blue magic skill that zerged it to 99. The player is what matters and its hard to judge someone by using the most effective and efficient method to level. Thats like presenting a race and giving the competitors the ability to use an up hill and windy path vs a straight path that is down hill. Of course it makes no sense to burn yourself out winding around up hill when the ability to win is straight and down hill. All that matters is that you get to the end goal, it doesn't matter how you get there as long as you keep yourself strong. Why waste your time in nostalgia of how jobs "should" be leveled when the game has evolved from that. If you are so determined to cling to your ways of the past, than either get used to playing solo (because people don't level outside of GoV and Abyssea in old school parties) or do what all the people that couldn't move along with the prosperity of the game, quit.
I mean damn, people are always saying how GoV and Abyssea's exp system is ruining the game, thats BS, than how about bone parties with MNK's way back in the day? Or Colibri parties to get those merits? They were fast means of exp that eliminated past methods entirely, yet nobody b*tched than other than the real old school players. So to say that this system is "broken" is to be ignorant of what FFXI is, because if you think its a 1 year grind to 75 killing easy prey mobs solo or teaming up with 6 people killing maybe 150 exp a mob parties.... Than you are dead wrong.
Also, I'm sorry but if you are playing this game and you don't use Wiki, you need to step up your game, now granted the guides of the jobs are dated, and not as reliable as they used to except for a few but still it is the most reliable source of information to learn how to play at your most optimal abilities. I highly doubt someone playing this game doesn't own a computer that has basic internet connection, and if you do, what stone age rock are you living under? And if you really don't, go to a public library or something, and if that doesn't work, I'm sure you can ask a friend to access it for you, but to not use wiki is like...
WHM's NOT using <STAL> macros to heal better and yelling at DD's to be less efficient with gear swaps so that they can cure.
NIN's that haven't bought Utsusemi scrolls Ni and Ichi because they are a "DD" and they merited into Sange.
RDM's that think they should be a front line DD because they have high sword skill
BLM that doesn't skill up elemental skill or dark skill and doesn't understand why he isn't proc'n that Grellow or why the stuns and sleeps don't' land for shit.
.... I could go on but you see my point, to not use Wiki is to just be ignorant of the game, its eating cereal with out a spoon. -
07-22-2012, 01:55 AMFrankReynolds
I leveled thief the long way. Soloed from 60ish to 75. Didn't get to try trick attack with assassin job trait til a merit party. Turns out people don't line up, and thiefs don't tp with a crossbow equipped because bards do all the pulling. Stand there and shoot acid bolts at colibri, and see how long it takes for the sam leader to kick you. Most of what you learn leveling is thrown out and you are left with what gear sets and macros you learned to make. all of which can be learned in a few minutes on the interwebs.
TLDR: leveling the old way is a waste of time unless you really enjoy leveling. Most people don't. -
07-22-2012, 03:17 AMTybudX
I want Abyssea to have a higher entry limit because I'm petty and I can't find 5 other people that want to waste hours and hours of their time getting junk drops in an exp party instead of hitting the level cap quickly so they enjoy the fun parts of the game. Obviously I have a mental condition that prevents me from being able to keep my mouth shut for more than 2 minutes, so the few people I do meet end up hating me by the third minute. It's only right that SE should force the entire population of FFXI to suffer so that I can go on not having any social skills whatsoever.
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07-22-2012, 07:08 PMKrystal
Interesting...it seems the "minority" isn't so minor anymore.... I see a thread every 2-three days like this, each from a different user...so much for that "shoot down tactic" you've been using to disregard these threads..:P
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07-22-2012, 07:17 PMZerich
Different sock puppets making different threads about the same gripe.
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07-22-2012, 11:05 PMTybudX
There are lots of us! We should form a club, where we can get together and talk about how much better we are than people with more high level jobs than us because we take the time to learn our jobs the old fashioned way! A Linkshell even, and then we can go line up SAs and have PLD tanks and wait three minutes for TP so our BLM can MB every single fight!
But then I guess we'd have no reason to announce to the world how much our anger is seething inside of us. I don't want to enjoy the game if other people aren't being unfairly forced to play at my incredibly slow and mind numbing pace. -
07-23-2012, 12:06 AMTrisscarAre we supposed to be fooled by all you sock puppets?Quote:
Originally Posted by Krystal
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07-23-2012, 03:41 AMLuvbunnyThe old school party system was bitched to oblivion back in the days, it was horrendous, horrible and elitist. First the all warrior, ranger, monk, blm exclusive club, then came ToAU that gave us even more faster way to level that was a big massive complaints among the old schooler before ToAU, which brought us the death of Black Mages in party and the rise of every other melee DD + RDM + BRD + COR combo. So to have all these so called "old schooler" getting nostalgic is a tad ridiculous. But overall I agree with your post. Here are something people need to understand, basic human nature:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scuro
- People will always take shortcut over chore, leveling to 99 is a big massive useless chore.
- People then do not want to take time to master the job they just lvld fast to 99 because that is another chore.
- Most people are way too lazy to open up FFXI Wiki and read up information on their jobs, or use FFXI AH for more information on how to set up gears and spells etc....
- In general SE do very little to help with skilling up, and most abynoobieboobies do almost nothing to skill ups either, laziness and ignorance comes first.
- People do not learn how to work in small party set up, which is great if you can make it work but horrible if you have a bunch of people who have no clue how the dynamic works. Plus some people got offended if they are being told what to do...
- There are a lot of jobs that require you actually spend time on your own figuring out after you hit 99, blue mage comes to mind, one of the most complex jobs, as well as puppet master. Abyssea is there to give you advantage in battle, with mix and match atmas to suit your need vs mob, but people just do not want to figure it out.... reading problem.. -
07-23-2012, 06:46 AMKrystaloh! So that's the new fail tactic your using now to disregard the overflowing amount of threads...simply amazing how much people will go to great lengths to try and ignore something...Quote:
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07-23-2012, 08:54 AMTrisscarHow is it a fail? You are a sock puppet. You attempt to make it look like your position is shared by more people than what it actually is by spamming the same stupid shit time after time under a plethora of different accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krystal
Do you honestly think we're as stupid as to buy into it?