Arch Dynamis lords difficultly.

Are you sure or does it only "seems". It never poped more than 2 of the first split also it never did dynamis implosion until 1/30 into the fight for us so yeah... I think you guy do something wrong, way to many TP given for the damage you are doing.

I'm positive. If you had 30 seconds before cloning then you would be able to kill him before he cloned.

The amount of clones he summons varies based on the HP he clones at. So if you have only ever seen 2 clones, it's because he always clones for you above 40% ish.

Whilst our TP feed is going to be higher than yours purely because we don't only use MNK's, it doesn't really come into it when he decides to use Dynamic Implosion immediately after cloning. He can have zero TP on cloning and will still TP as soon as he repops. And it's not like he can only use Dynamic Implosion at low HP, I've seen him try use it (it got stunned) as the very first TP move of the fight.

Don't get me wrong, we do beat ADL (with the odd fail due to Implosion or unlucky Tera Slash). I'm just saying it is nowhere near as simplistic as you make out.

Atm as far as I'm concerned the best way to handle this fight is just brute force. If your DD's are good enough then you'll win more often than not but it won't change the fact that you need 2x PD per attempt. And even then ADL can and will occasionally completely screw you over with TP choice.

I didn't say it's always 30 sec before it clones did you read ? I was asking until which % it is 30 sec, because as everyone has been explaining to Nynja and other BG rejects, ADL dies very fast so I know an ally of decent DD is going to rape it before 30 sec.

*Imo you should just allow DD to do one WS then back off let it split into two clones and assign 3 melees at least to each clone (if you do it in ally), but clearly that's not really the problem. How many clones on average are you seing ?

or you could post this alleged video you have to show us how much we suck and how godly awesome youare

You did say 30 seconds earlier which is what I was going by.

We normally see 2 clones. As soon as we realised he spawns more clones at a lower % we changed our strat to hold back until after he clones.

Our current strat is basically

4x DD COR SMN
4x DD COR SMN
SCH SCH BLM BLM BRD/BLM/SMN BRD/BLM/SMN (Last two slots pending on how many people we have)

Give the 2 DD parties PD + Haste + Embrava + March/Min/Min/Scherzo (We know this is Haste overkill. It's in case he dispelgas some away)

Have the DD's hold back until he clones. Then 1 party on each clone with BLM's AoE nuking and tossing stun at their designated clone if its up. SMN's use the Ramuh stun BP.

And I don't think we'll be able to do much more than that unless something new is discovered about him or new strat is devised.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I didn't say it's always 30 sec before it clones did you read ?

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If you didn't, then someone has your account info and is making you look like a fool on the forums.

BAM!:

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

More good info on ADL (aka not one from BG nor its unverified wiki). The first clone appears exactly after 30 sec into (pop time -> sumonning time) the fight which implies that a minimum of 6 real DDs (aka level 90+ empy monks with soulvoice ma/ma/min&haste) should bring ADL to ~zero% before it splits leaving you with pale copies of maybe 1% HP. This makes a setup of 6 MNK/WAR 1 BRD 1 SMN basically 100% win (baring dynamic implosion and death, the last one rarely happens).

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Well then I have hopes that my ultimate setup allows you to kill 3 copies. Ideally I would use

* a BRD with daurdabla 90+ with a mule (same account) having MNK with 90+ empy leveled.
* a SMN with capped skill (for enfire and EA)
* 4 MNK/WAR with 90+ empy

1-The basic strat would be to have the BRD troubadour the song buffs then the melees hold the buff onto the ???
2-BRD logout then back in on his mnk mule
3-SMN PD everyone (at this point 5 mnks are buffed)
4-smn hastes everyone and mnks hold buffs
5-smn does the ifrit enfire move then EA 1 min later
6-mnk do impetus then berserk and hold
7-SMN does PD, pops and does dia2
8-bring to 40% with 1 WS per monk (=the initial one with 300 tps)
9- when it summons turn toward the grid to avoid being pulled back
at this point all monks have tp
10-2 mnks on one clone and then three others on the last one
11-hope for not getting implosioned

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If you didn't, then someone has your account info and is making you look like a fool on the forums.

BAM!:

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BAM you clearly didn't notice the "before it splits part".

Wow, that's some potent denial you have going there. Ok, I'll use the "before it splits part" instead.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

ADL has about 100k HP (it actually an upper bound since light is not appearing in log). A single monk does about 15.5k damage in the first 30 seconds before it splits. That means 4 monks leave it at ~35%-40% HP remaining and 6 monks leave it at ~7% HPs left.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I didn't say it's always 30 sec before it clones

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Actually, sir, you did indeed say that the clones appearing are time based, and the time before the clones appearing is indeed 30 seconds, which you now deny as fallacy, yet do not accept that you were the person who brought forth that fallacy on these forums. Such behavior is unbefitting a gentleman, if I do say so myself.

Yes, I confirm what I said. The clones pop at exactly 30s unless you bring them to unknown amount of HP before that. You on the other hand are claiming they are not time based apparently.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

I didn't say it's always 30 sec before it clones did you read ? I was asking until which % it is 30 sec, because as everyone has been explaining to Nynja and other BG rejects, ADL dies very fast so I know an ally of decent DD is going to rape it before 30 sec.

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More good info on ADL (aka not one from BG nor its unverified wiki). The first clone appears exactly after 30 sec into (pop time -> sumonning time) the fight which implies that a minimum of 6 real DDs (aka level 90+ empy monks with soulvoice ma/ma/min&haste) should bring ADL to ~zero% before it splits leaving you with pale copies of maybe 1% HP. This makes a setup of 6 MNK/WAR 1 BRD 1 SMN basically 100% win (baring dynamic implosion and death, the last one rarely happens)..

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I'm also surprised noone has call pchan on the fact WAR is a better zerg job than MNK

No clue if Souleater is nerfed on ADL but if it isn't DRK is as well. (not to mention souleater isn't on a 2hr recast ^^)

Because WAR sucks and drk is not a job, nevermind that fact that high% ODD at 300% tp strongely favors monk...

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Because WAR sucks and drk is not a job, nevermind that fact that high% ODD at 300% tp strongely favors monk...

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The ODD that only procs on one hand yes,,, vs the odd that can proc on every hit for a Ukkos war + 100% crit rate)

30% > 15% thx

pchan is retarded enough to think ADL is a level 90 mob, why does anything else it says bother you?

It's fun to see how nynja is be ridiculised in the relic thread where someone is explaining him even NQ DL is duo-able.

The level 99 Relic Trail is the most horribly designed trail out there its hard compared to the other 2. ADL isn't a hard fight by any means, its just a zerg him down with perfect defense type fight with little skill involved use a few ofensive JA and WS him till he is dead. The actual hard part is gathering the 12-17 other people to help you kill it for only your benefit. The days of huge linkshells are pretty much gone for the most part for most people. Most players only know a couple people that they do stuff with on FFXI. Most people will not want to help you because they view it as a waste of their time. Sure you can offer people 1m a kill but I doubt you get many takers. Because the solo farm rate is actually higher. Your talking in the range of like 17m for 1 item. Very few people in FFXI are willing to do something for free or help someone else out just for the sake of helping someone out.

Void Watch is easily pug-able I see pick up groups forming for tier 6 on a daily basis, people sell the trail drops for 300k-600k on average. This makes getting an empyrean weapon done much easier. Everyone gets their own drops so there really isn't a conflict with loot or anything here.

Mythic Weapons have it easy too because all your doing is killing a bunch of NMs designed for level 75. I killed PW at level 90 and he could barley even hit my Paladin for above 10 damage. The only time I took more damage when is when he summoned some caster adds. This fight is such a joke now.

Relic trail is so much harder to finish then the other 2.

Ways to fix it would be.
Make Umbral Marrow drop from NQ Dynamis Lord at a lesser rate.
Make Umbral Marrow buyable from Dynamis goblins in the beastman strongholds with dynamis currency. So the solo player can eventually finish them.

Pretty much all the other trails were soloable up till this point.

If nothing changes I would just forget about upgrading my Excalibur to 95 to 99 and do my Almace to 99 instead because it would be so much easier.

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I would just like to ask the community team to pass on that we feel that Arch dyna lord is too strong if the Dev team want us to fight it repeatedly so is there any chance we will see a ADL nerf like we saw w/ the harder VW mobs?

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It's funny how people have gone from "we don't want time sinks we just want a challenge with guaranteed rewards" in years past to "Oh what the hell lets stop pretending. We just want everything easy"

5 Umbral marrow is not hard unless you are one of those who abandoned your LS when abyssea came out to dual box because you thought you'd never need them again. Anyone with good standing in a decent LS isn't going to have problems getting this done. It'll take you a few events over maybe a month (weekly) to get it finished. If you dumped your LS last year well tough, you screwed yourself. I'm now laughing my ass off at everyone who told me I was dumb for sticking with an LS.

As for Stage 2, SE has said that this isn't intended for everyone and you can yell and scream all you want but that's how SE has decided to roll with it. It's almost impossible by design.

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all the other trails were soloable up till this point.

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Animated weapons and Hydras were not soloable.

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It's funny how people have gone from "we don't want time sinks we just want a challenge with guaranteed rewards" in years past to "Oh what the hell lets stop pretending. We just want everything easy"

5 Umbral marrow is not hard unless you are one of those who abandoned your LS when abyssea came out to dual box because you thought you'd never need them again. Anyone with good standing in a decent LS isn't going to have problems getting this done. It'll take you a few events over maybe a month (weekly) to get it finished. If you dumped your LS last year well tough, you screwed yourself. I'm now laughing my ass off at everyone who told me I was dumb for sticking with an LS.

As for Stage 2, SE has said that this isn't intended for everyone and you can yell and scream all you want but that's how SE has decided to roll with it. It's almost impossible by design.



Animated weapons and Hydras were not solable.

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There are thousands of people who still run with an LS......... that doesn't do dynamis as an event.

There are thousands of people who don't have an LS because the LS fragmented when abyssea was released.

There are thousands of other reasons to not have a dynamis LS.

Abandoning your LS has nothing to do with the difficulty of the trial.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Yes, I confirm what I said. The clones pop at exactly 30s unless you bring them to unknown amount of HP before that. You on the other hand are claiming they are not time based apparently.

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No, earlier you were claiming:

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The first clone appears exactly after 30 sec into (pop time -> sumonning time) the fight which implies that a minimum of 6 real DDs (aka level 90+ empy monks with soulvoice ma/ma/min&haste) should bring ADL to ~zero% before it splits leaving you with pale copies of maybe 1% HP.

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6 real DDs can get him down to nearly 0% HP before he splits. Your claim not mine. The post of yours I keep quoting implies that ADL splits into clones exactly 30 seconds after he's popped regardless of how low his HP gets, and goes on to suggest that any decent group should be able to nearly kill ADL before he gets the chance to split.

Your claim NOW is that it's HP based as well as time based. Your claim THEN was it had nothing to do with HP. Thus my indignation when you claimed:

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I didn't say it's always 30 sec before it clones did you read ?

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Because WAR sucks and drk is not a job, nevermind that fact that high% ODD at 300% tp strongely favors monk...

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DRK is actually pretty damn good against ADL because it requires minimal effort/gear to put out decent numbers. You could roll up with Hoarfrost + SAM sub + an Icarus wing and put in 10-15k damage just simply from going Last Resort > Souleater > Sekka > Resolution > Resolution > Icarus Wing > Resolution and nothing more than that, so like 10 seconds. And that's without having access to something like Apoc/Ragna/etc. (But does assume COR + BRD buffs)

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No, earlier you were claiming:


6 real DDs can get him down to nearly 0% HP before he splits. Your claim not mine. The post of yours I keep quoting implies that ADL splits into clones exactly 30 seconds after he's popped regardless of how low his HP gets, and goes on to suggest that any decent group should be able to nearly kill ADL before he gets the chance to split.

Your claim NOW is that it's HP based as well as time based. Your claim THEN was it had nothing to do with HP. Thus my indignation when you claimed:

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I claimed and still claim that it will pop at exactly 30 seconds. I'm not claiming "now" that it is HP based because I already explicitely mentionned in the original post that you wouldn't kill within 30 seconds because the first clone is obligatory. So In the post I assumed it was 5% because my own witness off JP alliances wrecking it showed that they cloned it with little HP, hard to tell how much since I don't use windower cheat mode. So replace 5% with whatever the% is if it even exists. Because so far I don't see any evidence, just assumptions, that it is % based. What's certain is that it will clone himself at the 30 seconds mark if its HP is >= 45% and that the next clones are not time based.

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DRK is actually pretty damn good against ADL because it requires minimal effort/gear to put out decent numbers. You could roll up with Hoarfrost + SAM sub + an Icarus wing and put in 10-15k damage just simply from going Last Resort > Souleater > Sekka > Resolution > Resolution > Icarus Wing > Resolution and nothing more than that, so like 10 seconds. And that's without having access to something like Apoc/Ragna/etc. (But does assume COR + BRD buffs)

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You cannot use more than one WS past the first one at start because then it splits. After the split what DD you got is irrelevant what matters is that they got TP to finish them off. Based on this any DD has its place in an alliance, but that's not what I'm targetting, I want the minimal amount of persons.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You cannot use more than one WS past the first one at start because then it splits. After the split what DD you got is irrelevant what matters is that they got TP to finish them off. Based on this any DD has its place in an alliance, but that's not what I'm targetting, I want the minimal amount of persons.

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You are an outright idiot. I just did this fight yesterday and it didn't split after my first weapon skill and in fact split around 30%. I guess you say that melee do 15k weapon skills now which is LOL unless all the warriors are using mighty strikes w/resolution. I can see now why you are considered a moron.

You are an outright idiot because you are not following the discussion. The reason it will split before you have tp for the second ws is that with an ally it dies too fast so if it's not your case, get better DDs. Personally when I go pimp MNKx2 and gimp MNkx2 as DD it splits when everyone has done 2 WS and is about to do the 3rd - we only go with 6 though.



I wonder where I said a melee does 15k WS lol. I did say that my melees do 16.5k total damage before split though, but that is because we don't suck.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

It's fun to see how nynja is be ridiculised in the relic thread where someone is explaining him even NQ DL is duo-able.

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who said its duoable? They said they did it trio spamming stun..."and it should be doable mnk + healer".

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Animated weapons and Hydras were not soloable.

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Thats debatable...however they are easily duoable and I dont think anyones going to oppose to that statement.



do you have a video yet pchan, or not?

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DRK is actually pretty damn good against ADL because it requires minimal effort/gear to put out decent numbers. You could roll up with Hoarfrost + SAM sub + an Icarus wing and put in 10-15k damage just simply from going Last Resort > Souleater > Sekka > Resolution > Resolution > Icarus Wing > Resolution

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You are an outright idiot because you are not following the discussion. The reason it will split before you have tp for the second ws is that with an ally it dies too fast so if it's not your case, get better DDs.

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Yeah, clearly HE'S the one who isn't following the coversation. Remind me again- how long does it take to build up TP after you WS with 300 TP while sekkanoki is active?

you people cry too much, go back to WoW u baby.
ADL is not super hard, Just have to be GOOD at your jobs and understand how to play. Have gone 10/10 and only needed alex 1st time to see how it would go. I feel sorry for you if you do not understand how to play Better than an RMT.

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you people cry too much, go back to WoW u baby.
ADL is not super hard, Just have to be GOOD at your jobs and understand how to play. Have gone 10/10 and only needed alex 1st time to see how it would go. I feel sorry for you if you do not understand how to play Better than an RMT.

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Is this the part where we're suppose to ask "What was your Strategy for killing it without PD Zerging?" and you tell us "I'm not saying" or something >_>?

Alsor: No ones claiming Arch Dynamis Lord is hard, They're saying its stupid that the fight can be done perfectly and still relies on a dumb-luck factor because of how the NM works... Splitting In two, three, four, etc.

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who said its duoable? They said they did it trio spamming stun..."and it should be doable mnk + healer".

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And I have said it is trioable too, stop being butthurt.

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Yeah, clearly HE'S the one who isn't following the coversation. Remind me again- how long does it take to build up TP after you WS with 300 TP while sekkanoki is active?

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Remind me of the strategy to use to avoid having three clones when fighting as an ally.

If you fight it for 30 sec and it then it splits, your DD are pretty gimp. 30 sec is more than enough time to kill it to 0, if it splits at exactly 30 sec. Have yet to try since the bloodrage nerf though. I still have no clue why you use monk, war is so much stronger.

Let's see some screenshots of your lvl 99 relics, since you can kill it so easily with 6 people.

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If you fight it for 30 sec and it then it splits, your DD are pretty gimp. 30 sec is more than enough time to kill it to 0, if it splits at exactly 30 sec. Have yet to try since the bloodrage nerf though. I still have no clue why you use monk, war is so much stronger.

Let's see some screenshots of your lvl 99 relics, since you can kill it so easily with 6 people.

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Thank you,

That's the problem abyssea have given people the idea that they're better players than they actually are.

The ones that have problems beating adl are the people with nu-dyna relics and somehow doesnt have an ultima\omega\pw\odin\ atma.

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If you fight it for 30 sec and it then it splits, your DD are pretty gimp. 30 sec is more than enough time to kill it to 0, if it splits at exactly 30 sec. Have yet to try since the bloodrage nerf though. I still have no clue why you use monk, war is so much stronger.

Let's see some screenshots of your lvl 99 relics, since you can kill it so easily with 6 people.

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You have reading comprehension issues also it's funny you didn't mention I'm fighting with 6 Mr "I kill ADL with an alliance & I farm rifltdross with my LS". You are doing everything wrong.

So Pchan watches JP alliances kill it, and claims to have lv 99 relics already. This says to me that he bought the marrows he needs without killing ADL himself, and he won't go near it since he doesn't need it.

Hence the lack of a video of him killing it with 6 characters. No, 6 people all dualboxing and/or logging out to extra characters is still an alliance of characters.

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And I have said it is trioable too, stop being butthurt.

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No, you said duo, that you can duo all the ADL pop items.

First two videos of ADL I found: Splits at 20 seconds, splits at 2:37 seconds, both from lv 90 cap. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oOVyy7eeTQ for the long no-split against pearl and homam and other terribly geared DDs. Split > almost everyone instantly dies at least.

The split occurs sometime under 60% becoming more likely as its hp goes down, and there probably a certain amount of time that has to pass before it can split again.

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No, you said duo, that you can duo all the ADL pop items.

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I said 2-3 persons can duo ONE popset in one run and I insist that it is easy.

If that is indeed what you said, then I must remind you that 3 persons cannot duo anything because they'd be too busy trioing. Also, you claimed regular DLord can be duo'd here:

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It's fun to see how nynja is be ridiculised in the relic thread where someone is explaining him even NQ DL is duo-able.

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And here's you requesting a video to prove that duoing the pop NMs is impossible:

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You have yet to explain us, with a video, as to why pop NM are impossible to duo.

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And while we're on the topic, here's you claiming that you'll post a video of 6 people bringing ADL to 25% before he has a chance to split: (which btw would mean you'd be facing 4 clones instead of 2)

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Dude I'm going to post a video soon to prove you your gimpness when I'm done with with empy and other stuff. Just shut up. I'm going to go even farther than what I claimed. I claim that a pimp out party of 6 players will destroy ADL to less than 25% before it splits , and that a decent ally of 10+ people is necessarily putting the NM at ~5% when it splits, making it essentially a joke barring dynamis implosion.

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