You spent time you could have been using to do just about anything else, you spent money on meds, foods, ninja tools, ammo, etcetera, you spent experience points if you died, and spent sanity points if you're dealing with idiots (like the ones who say that exchanging cruor for Gil is wrong), and exchanging cruor is wrong, how exactly?
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10-25-2012, 11:34 AMTrisscar
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10-25-2012, 01:14 PMHashmalumWhat's a TC?Quote:
Originally Posted by svengalis
Anyway, people pointed out the chocobo blinkers thing well over a year ago on these forums. Nothing was done about it. See here, even earlier here, and someone outright asks for it to be nerfed here. There are even more old threads in the official forums than that, just do a search for "chocobo blinkers" and you'll find them. It was not exactly secret.
Nor should it have been a secret considering the impact on the overall economy. Remember when people who were making unlimited gil off buying an item in Tavnazia then NPCing it for more than the purchase price were banned? Remember when the hordes of RMT gardeners NPCing chocobo greens were being banned? Remember when Holy Water sale prices were nerfed? You need to proceed on the assumption that everything you sell to an NPC anywhere in the game is being logged somewhere and if SE doesn't like what you are doing they will eventually notice and do something. -
10-25-2012, 02:41 PMArconYou can dislike it all you want, nothing you said makes a valid complaint. Even if you have no time for actual money making, why should you be making money then? Like I said in my previous post, you simply want to get money without working for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
There are five different explanations in this thread alone. Did you read any of it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Most people think as long as they feel good making money everything is alright with the world. Most people are dead wrong. You never stop to think outside of your little universe. "But I had money without having to make any!" That is no argument at all. That's a very strong indicator that something isn't working right. I know you put some effort into playing, but honestly, what do you expect? Like I explained before, money is a substitute for content you can't otherwise do. Meaning money allows you to get things that you otherwise can't. Which is why, when you can't do Legion, you can make money to buy items from the people who do. But if you make money while doing something else entirely, like helping people farm seals or whatever you do with all your precious playtime, why should you be able to get the same items as people who spend their time doing Legion? Keep in mind that people in Legion actually lose money in the process, because Legion is the most expensive event right now. So you get what they get with no effort at all, while being a nice and dependable person who casually goes around and helps newbies with their missions. Does that sound fair to you?
All I hear from people complaining about it is pure egotism. They enjoyed getting money for no work (yes, I know you "worked", but you didn't work for the money, you did something else entirely and randomly got money in the process), and now that doesn't work anymore and they're upset that they actually have to invest into making money, like all the people who used their cruor for other things before. -
10-25-2012, 02:55 PMTrisscar
What do you reconmend then? What do you mean by 'invest'?
Edited to add: Even in EVE online you can make money off of PvE content. You can make an easy million blowing up belt pirates, thirty million an hour just completing level four missions (which can be done solo), several hundred million selling faction ships you buy with points you earn in missions. Hell you can practically mint your own money mining.
This has been an area that FFxi has always been weak in, that there aren't enough ways to make money for interested parties. -
10-25-2012, 03:23 PMArconWhat are you doing with your playtime? You said you help people with their stuff mostly, which is fine, I do the same. So what do you need money for? Surely not to help them, because I've been doing the same for months and I didn't spend a single gil on it. So it's for your own gear, I assume? Well, then go ahead and work for it. Why should you advance yourself if you use all your time helping others? That's very noble of you and all, but it is supposed to be a sacrifice on your part. If you expect to get paid for doing it, that's not noble anymore, that's entitled. Who is supposed to pay you? SE? Because that's what's been going on until now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Very false. You can still get 10M daily if you wanted to. People only don't want to invest that much time in it. Do Dynamis for example. I list that because, despite the competition and the grindfest, it's still a very easy way anyone can make money solo. I've seen DRG/DNC get over 1M per run in there, your BLU should do even better. There are plenty of ways you can still make money, even if you don't like them because they require you to give up playtime for other events. But that's how it should be, you should not be paid by SE for every action you do. You're supposed to build your character yourself, and part of that is knowing when to work for your own money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-25-2012, 03:46 PMTrisscar
Arcon the point I'm trying to make is that they didn't have to kill it entirely, there were a lot of ways they could have handled it.
But lets look at my history so far. I made a lot of money back in the day fishing and farming. And then they nerfed it. I made a lot of money buying gear in one region and moving it to another. And then they remove regional auction houses. And then I could make a decent living doing what I normally do. Then they practically killed it.
Don't see where I might be at least a little frustrated? I know they aren't targeting me, but it feels like it sometimes.
Now as to what I need Gil for: gear to help my other jobs be more proficient. Gil I made also allowed me to be able to play jobs I couldn't before, gear them, make sure they had their spells and to level crafting skills (something that has to be put on the back burner now since I don't have a reliable way to make money anymore) and support friends and link mates.
Why don't I farm currencies to sell then?
I'm making my first relic, what makes you think I can spare currencies for anyone else?
Also you probably missed this part while you were busy missing the point:
None of this is an exaggeration. I, personally, have made more money per hour in EVE than I had in myQuote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
first yearmy entire time of playing FFxi... Most modern MMO it isn't an issue making money quickly at all.
Do a quest, get money. Get rinky dink gear. Sell rinkydink gear. Wash, rinse, repeat. -
10-25-2012, 06:31 PMIakothmand i bet all the items in eve cost you more than you spent in your entire ffxi lifetime. Don't compare 2 completely different games like that because it just makes you look dumb and desperate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
you say you bought items from a place and sold them in another that's the same as the aby you are doing nothing and expecting money. Don't expect to make a relic and get money at the same time especially if your time in ffxi is SOOOOOOO limited that you can't craft. How exactly can you not make money fishing as well if you have so little time to play ffxi? All I hear is you whining about the nerf because it was an easy money way. -
10-25-2012, 09:53 PMSpankWustler
I deeply regret not making it to this topic before relatively serious discussion erupted. A golden opportunity to post the truly classic "OMFG IT'S CAIT SITH!" meme image is now gone forever, like the tears of Altana in the rain.
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10-25-2012, 09:57 PMArconYes? Why can't you? If you don't have enough money to get by, a relic should not be your top priority. Farm currency to sell for other things, after you've made 10M (which is a few days) you can still farm for your relic and you only lost a few hours playtime. Conversely, you're now rich enough for plenty things, definitely enough to get by. Enough to gear several jobs adequately, buy all spells you'll ever need (except Meteor and Arise) and even invest some into skilling a craft. And that was only for a few hours worth of your playtime. Or is that unacceptable to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
I didn't miss it, I just didn't grace it with valuable seconds of my time to form a reply, because I don't know EVE, and for all I know it could be entirely irrelevant. If EVE's economy type and market type is even slightly different than FFXI's, the same rules may not apply and money could mean something entirely different, as well as the acquisition of money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
So what? That just means currency is worth a lot less in EVE. That's like bragging that you are richer than someone else because you have 1000 yen and they only have 10 US dollars, which would be just as pointless, because you'd be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-25-2012, 10:12 PMsvengalisWhy is someone greedy just because when they log on they want to progress their character? Isn't that why we all log on and continue to log on because we want to progress our characters? If all you are doing is helping eventually you will stop logging on. Lets remember this is a pay to play mmo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-25-2012, 11:17 PMDemon6324236
Well, if you want to know the honest truth, the majority of what I used to do on this game was help people when/if I could, at that time, I was paying for it. I was also paying for my friends account, now he pays for us both, so really I'm paying nothing, however I am much more selfish now that I don't pay, rather than when I did. This has little relevance in my opinion, but my point was that if people are getting something out of doing something else they are more likely to do it. If I go ask my LS to help me make an Ukon, but tell them I want all of the +2s from it as well, what do they come for? Just to help out? Not likely, at the same time, offer them +2s & they come if they need it, but if they don't then oh well. Everyone needs gil, great incentive, worked well, the point was that it gave a reason to help people, even if that was not your end goal because you really wanted money, and it was just a side effect.
When it comes down to "abusing" blinkers btw, this is partly how I classify it. If you intentionally went out of your way to get gil via blinkers, you abused it, by this I mean going out to cruor farm with 5 mules for hours. However if you do VW, merit in a xp party, do seals, do Emps, or anything else I didn't list that rewards cruor, then I don't think you abused it, you simply used it for something rather than letting it sit there & goto waste. My example above of people doing things for money & simply helping people out as the cherry on top is abusing it in a way, your goal is the cruor & gil, not the person being helped. If your helping to help & you get something in return then awesome, you got something too, but I don't think of you as abusing it.
I think the idea should be to have fun whatever your doin in the game. Making money should not be a boring drag that we muddle through because we want a piece of virtual gear or money that has no real value. I goto work & get to be bored there, when I come home I know I made real money, real money pays real bills, this is real life, so even though its boring, its important. I can not say the same for gil, I shouldnt have to be bored working to make money in a game, so I can get some fake money to pay for fake items in my games so I can go do some potentially fun things after I just bored myself for a few hours. I find many money making things boring in this game which is where this problem branches from for me, and unless it changes I plan to stay poor for some time.SE is not supposed to pay us, we pay them with real money, why should we have to bore ourselves in a game after giving them our real money, just so we can get some fake money to buy some items in a game we are supposed to be playing for fun? Easy answer, we shouldn't, a game by definition is an amusement or pastime according to my dictionary, so why should this "game" be something that forces its players to be bored in order to make progress.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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10-26-2012, 01:28 AMTrisscarNo. You know what does make people look stupid though? Talking about something you don't know the first thing about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iakothm
The ships don't start getting expensive until Battleships, the most expensive of which (outside of T2) is about 200 million. I've seen people pay more an that on Kraken Club alone, and basic gear ranges from five thousand to two million creds apiece. Meaning a fully geared CNC Battleship costs less than a single club.
What's up with that? That is a huge disparity in a game in which it's far more difficult to make significant amounts of Gil.
But you're right, I shouldn't be comparing two radically different games. So I'll compare FFxi with itself.
Killing Behemoth drops Gil every time you kill it, about fifteen thousand if I recall right. You can make more than that farming Lady Bug wings... Yeah, you read that right. You get paid more per hour killing lady bugs than you do killing a legendary monster. You mind telling me in what universe that makes any kind of sense?
But I suppose in your mind that neither person 'earned that Gil'?
So let's examine the activities of the people you claim 'earned that Gil', shall we?
1.) Buy material off of Auction House.
2.) Synth.
3.) Maybe get lucky and get HQ.
4.) Over charge for HQ.
5.) ???
6.) Profit!
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10-26-2012, 03:00 AMArconFully agree. I also never said VW should not be rewarding. I said doing it with cruor was the wrong way, because cruor themselves should not be that expensive. If they made VW drop gil instead of cruor now, I'd be perfectly ok with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
This is not how an economy can be sustained, it's completely impossible. I know it's what you want, it's what many people want, but that doesn't change the fact that it's impossible. Making money can not be easy, quick and fun, if it was no player-based economy could possibly work, because it would inhibit supply, because people would just try to obtain items with money instead of playing the game. Lots of cashflow, little supply, big demand means inflation, and that would widen the gap between the poor and the rich even more. And even if you don't want to believe it, while Blinkers were in effect you were poor, regardless of how easy you think money came to you. Because whatever you make, others will make thousand times more, and when supply gets low it's them who'll be able to afford items, because they can outbid you. You weren't making money with cruor, you were losing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
Was your dictionary written by the Nintendo Wii development team? Certainly sounds like it. It's not what makes a game, and it's by no means what defines a game, and it's even less what I play for. I find joy in achievement, not amusement, and that is what has defined FFXI for a decade, which is why it's reasonable to assume that I'm not the only one feeling that way. In fact, I'm pretty sure it applies to you as well, otherwise you wouldn't have stuck around this long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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10-26-2012, 03:17 AMTrisscar
Arcon if you were working at a job doing something that you absolutely enjoy doing would you work for free?
Of course you wouldn't, because money is a necessity for day-to-day life.
Now in the game we play the part of professional adventurers. It is our job to go out, explore, slay monsters, gather materials for crafters, and on. And yet you want to restrict getting paid to actually go out and do our jobs... Because?
Also, like I said before, making significant amounts of money in most other MMO is not an issue (hell, it isn't half as difficult in FFxiv). Their economies don't seem to be in any trouble. Why should that be any different here?
Why should it be an hard to achieve achievement To make just enough money for decent gear?
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10-26-2012, 03:48 AMArconAnd do you complain about life because making money is not fun? Are you one of those people who write politicians they should get more money for no reason other than that you could use it and thinks it's unfair that they don't have any?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Also, people who enjoy their jobs are the exception, just like people who enjoy making money ingame. I enjoy Salvage a lot, but I would never argue that making money is fun already, because I know it doesn't extend to everyone.
Because the NPCs aren't paying us. They can't run out of money. We create money out of nothing. That is what's fucking with the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
And we already get rewarded for every single event there is, it's just not always money. Cruor is good for other things as well, in case you didn't notice.
I don't know anything about their economies, so I can't comment. But like I said before, if things are even slightly different, the situations don't compare and the same rules can't be applied. Also, I'm not sure you know anything about their economies either, judging by your previous comments on that topic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Precisely. So why do you focus so much on it? It's the chief goal to do events, not to make gil to buy the crap you can get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-26-2012, 04:02 AMDoombringer
also... kraken clubs don't explode. so... there's that.
not to mention that a battleship is not as high on the eve price scale as a kraken club here. titans cost about 90 billion to make, and most people can't make them. so they're easily 120 billion on the open market. (it's not like crafting here where every player is a self contained factory. you need access to facilities in eve, and the largest facilities can only be set up in remote player owned space. so basically: for just the privelage of assembling a titan, you need to conquer and hold a small swath of space. not to mention the overhead on the facility itself)
granted most players don't own titans, but most players don't own kraken clubs either. i own several battleships and who the fuck am i? nobody, that's who.
but more on topic, this is gonna suck short term but it'll probably even out eventually. the market will adjust to people not being able to generate large amounts of easy gil, so things will hopefully get cheaper over time. (i say hopefully because i dunno how much gil is actually removed from the system every day via stuff like taxes, airship rides, chocobo rentals, buying stuff from npc's, so on etc. it may be that we'll just see prices go up slower)
just wish i'd turned in my cruor before this all went down. guess it's time to make it rain brews or something... -
10-26-2012, 04:04 AMTrisscarNo, I work two jobs. The difference between real life and FFxi? I'm garanteed to get paid for working. In FFxi it's a crap shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
I'm not arguing that making money should be made fun, I'm arguing that making money should be possible to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Are we even playing the same game? The economy has been very stable in FFxi for a while now, somewhat inflated prices none withstanding. But I know your game. When prices come crashing down, and they will, you'll be here complaining yet again about the prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
You want to be able to have low prices when you buy and high prices when you sell. Well I'm sorry, but you can't have it both ways.
Yeah, sure. What ever you say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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10-26-2012, 04:14 AMTrisscarCapital ships in general and Titans in particular are not personal possessions, they're owned by the corporation. Kraken Clubs are personal possessions, so I compared it to other personal possessions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doombringer
To be more accurate about extreme personal wealth being spent on ships you'd have to compare it to Strategic Cruisers, the frames of which (last I checked) cost 50 billion by themselves, 10 billion for each module (another 50 billion, assuming you don't purchase all 15 modules unique to all four Strategic Cruisers which most don't), and probably another 10 billion if you gear it with officer and/or dead space equipment.
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10-26-2012, 04:22 AMJohnGotti
This Arcon guy is a real funny dude, with his high and mighty morals you would never guess the linkshell he is in used to make and sell packetbots for the hnm days.
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10-26-2012, 04:24 AMArconIt's not a crapshoot, making money in FFXI is guaranteed if you put effort in. Yes, it's a matter of luck if you make 2.5M in a Dynamis run, with no competition and lucky procs/drops, or only 1.5M with much competition and shitty procs, but either way you make decent money, and unlike cruor it does not hurt the economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Yes withstanding, very much withstanding, inflated prices is almost the definition of an unstable economy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
You know very little, as you've repeatedly demonstrated. I don't even need money at all in this game, I'm very happy where I am now. My complaint is that an inflation would suck for everyone around me, especially new players, which my LS is full of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Oh, I can. That's precisely how I got rich at 75. Buy and resale. I made tens of millions in a few months just bazaaring overnight. It works extremely well. And it's still not at all related to what's going on here. I can make money in a dozen ways if I wanted to (as can you), with or without cruor. All this change did was remove a way to passively make money, and that's what disturbs many people, which, in turn, I find pretty disturbing, because I find it hard to believe that anyone thought that was an acceptable state of the game. I honestly don't see how people can be that short-sighted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-26-2012, 04:25 AMDoombringerQuote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
that reminds me, yah.. the numbers i quoted for titans are just the hull, no modules.
but it is also true that there are very few (if any) privately owned titans. so fair enough there.
but even with a T3 cruiser, you are an order of magnitude above anything HERE, with the added caveat that no matter how powerful the ship and the modules you fit to it, it's all technically "consumable" when somebody flies up and kills you.
basically eve HAS to shit isk, because it has FAR more isk sinks than we have gil sinks. (potentially every other pilot) -
10-26-2012, 04:27 AMArconFirst, I don't have any morals and never claimed to. Morals are for losers and pussies. I'm not arguing morality here, I'm arguing a sustainable economy.Quote:
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10-26-2012, 04:28 AMJohnGotti
Your in Dazuzu linkshell right ? He used to sell melons for gil or $ back then.
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10-26-2012, 04:31 AMDazusuArcon isn't in my Linkshell, no. Secondly, mule account, really? and finally:Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnGotti
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10-26-2012, 04:31 AMArconNo I'm not and melons are delicious.Quote:
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10-26-2012, 04:36 AMJohnGottiAre you going to deny selling the packetbot now Scotchman ? We both know you used to sell it you ripped mafais bot off and then sold it on for gil or $ no point denying it lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dazusu
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10-26-2012, 04:56 AMTrisscarAll that money circulating through the economy, where do you think it ultimately comes from? If you guessed anything other than NPC, then you are wrong. Because entropy is inherent in a closed system when there is no outside energy being received. It's true for physics, it's true for economies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Yes, please keep on demonstrating your complete lack of understanding while I show you why you are wrong:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
In an unstable economy you expect to see trends in sharp rise and fall in such things like the price of goods offered over a short period of time. That isn't what we've been seeing. Instead, after the initial inflation due to new influx of money in the system, prices stabilized and held steady.
Yeah, I'd call that unstable alright.
Look, I agree that making money shouldn't be the be all end all of the game. But it shouldn't be so difficult that you need do hours of old content solo just to make ends meet. -
10-26-2012, 05:03 AMTrisscarFair enough. But the difference between Strategic Cruisers and just about any Gil sink? Strategic Cruisers are heads and shoulders above just about anything else flying out there (also a reason why they are generally a good investment, there isn't much out there that can threaten one). Compare that to just about any HQ where it's 15 million Gil or more compared to its NQ counterpart at 1 million.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doombringer
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10-26-2012, 05:12 AMArconDosage is what matters. Where do you think money came from before cruor? NPC vendors. So it was obviously possible without. Only cruor significantly accelerated that process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
That's not what an unstable economy is. Unstable doesn't have to rise and fall, it can do just one of the two, in this case inflation. And the price never stabilized, it went up significantly. You didn't notice it much for two reasons, first the demand was lowered. When demand drops, prices are supposed to drop. Instead they went up further, such as with currency for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
Also, new people joined and old people reactivated when SoA was announced. With more people to distribute to, the influx of cash was not as noticeable, because people absorbed it. You would have noticed it a lot more if you waited a bit longer, until people stopped coming but gil kept on increasing. Which is why it wasn't a bad thing that they stopped it now.
Maybe your ends and my ends differ, but I didn't farm a single gil in the last month, and I kept playing throughout this time, and I still got enough money from just random drops to get by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-26-2012, 05:24 AMTrisscar
Hey Arcon look to the left of the screen. See that server beneath my name? That's right, brainchild. You and I are on the same server.
That means I have been watching the same market you have been all this time at the same time as you, under the same circumstances.
Auction House prices haven't been getting steadily higher, and neither have currency prices. In fact a lot of people have noticed a decrease in currency prices (due the flood of currencies). I figure you believe that if currency prices plummet enough people will stop farming Dynamis and you'd have no more competition...
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10-26-2012, 05:39 AMXantaviaBut they didn't kill it entirely. You can still sell blinkers to NPC's, but at a vastly reduced rate. You can still make gil, just not as fast as before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-26-2012, 05:40 AMArconYes Louisville, KY, I know you very well. I told you all of that regardless, because you obviously aren't paying any attention to the prices at all if you actually believe what you're saying here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
A lot of people are wrong, and so are you. Prices dropped when people started spamming Dynamis, before cruor farming became popular. When I completed my Mandau, I paid 5.5k per Whiteshell, now they're back up to 7k. People are even shouting for 9.5k bronzepieces, and I remember buying them for under 7k. Even VW items went back up. People thought Heka's cells would fall, but they're up to 4M each again (after being under 3M for a while). Comeatmebro and his mules bought Coruscanti cells for up to 15M. Where do you think their money came from? Could your VW money afford that? Because their mulefest in Abyssea - Misareaux could afford several of those cells every day. That's a prime example of someone getting something you can't in this economy, because to them money means nothing. To you it does, obviously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
I never farmed Dynamis and I never intend to, because I hate boring grinds.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trisscar
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10-26-2012, 06:25 AMZagenYet you play FFXI?Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
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10-26-2012, 06:46 AMMirage
Maybe he prefers exciting grinds.
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10-26-2012, 06:57 AMArbalestBut if the conversion rate is.. it was like 2.555 pre-nerf, I think. What is it now, 1 cruor = .63 gil? I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantavia
If the conversion rate is say, 1/5 of what it used to be, that would mean you need 5 times as much cruor to get the same amount of gil you used to make from X amount of blinker stacks. That makes it a lot more time consuming.. and probably pointless.
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10-26-2012, 07:04 AMMirage
In this particular case, SE does know how to run their own game. You should post in a different thread if you want to talk about poor decisions. Don't worry, there are plenty to choose from, but this is not one of them.
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10-26-2012, 07:54 AMTrisscarI do not have acces to blinkers, I made money processing cruor gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xantavia
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10-26-2012, 08:03 AMMirage
What do you mean by not access to? Did you not install the second expansion?
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10-26-2012, 08:10 AMTrisscarI never did the quest to get access to the option to get blinders.Quote:
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And no. It's level 85. -
10-26-2012, 08:11 AMMirage
I never did that quest either, still had access to them. Even if I'm wrong, it's not too late to do the quest.