WHATS NEW SALE PRICE FOR BLINKERS?

[Doombringer]

Capital ships in general and Titans in particular are not personal possessions, they're owned by the corporation. Kraken Clubs are personal possessions, so I compared it to other personal possessions.

To be more accurate about extreme personal wealth being spent on ships you'd have to compare it to Strategic Cruisers, the frames of which (last I checked) cost 50 billion for the frame, 10 billion for each module (another 50 billion), and probably another 10 billion if you gear it with officer and/or dead space equipment.

That's also putting aside creds for skill books and time spent training. It's outside the reach of your average pilot, but it's possible to get.

that reminds me, yah.. the numbers i quoted for titans are just the hull, no modules.

but it is also true that there are very few (if any) privately owned titans. so fair enough there.

but even with a T3 cruiser, you are an order of magnitude above anything HERE, with the added caveat that no matter how powerful the ship and the modules you fit to it, it's all technically "consumable" when somebody flies up and kills you.

basically eve HAS to shit isk, because it has FAR more isk sinks than we have gil sinks. (potentially every other pilot)

[Arcon]

This Arcon guy is a real funny dude, with his high and mighty morals you would never guess the linkshell he is in used to make and sell packetbots for the hnm days.

First, I don't have any morals and never claimed to. Morals are for losers and pussies. I'm not arguing morality here, I'm arguing a sustainable economy.

Second, no LS I'm in was even around back in those days.

[JohnGotti]

Your in Dazuzu linkshell right ? He used to sell melons for gil or $ back then.

[Dazusu]

Your in Dazuzu linkshell right ? He used to sell melons for gil or $ back then.

Arcon isn't in my Linkshell, no. Secondly, mule account, really? and finally:

[Arcon]

Your in Dazuzu linkshell right ? He used to sell melons for gil or $ back then.

No I'm not and melons are delicious.

[JohnGotti]

Arcon isn't in my Linkshell, no. Secondly, mule account, really? and finally:

Are you going to deny selling the packetbot now Scotchman ? We both know you used to sell it you ripped mafais bot off and then sold it on for gil or $ no point denying it lol.

[Trisscar]

It's not a crapshoot, making money in FFXI is guaranteed if you put effort in. Yes, it's a matter of luck if you make 2.5M in a Dynamis run, with no competition and lucky procs/drops, or only 1.5M with much competition and shitty procs, but either way you make decent money, and unlike cruor it does not hurt the economy.

All that money circulating through the economy, where do you think it ultimately comes from? If you guessed anything other than NPC, then you are wrong. Because entropy is inherent in a closed system when there is no outside energy being received. It's true for physics, it's true for economies.

Yes withstanding, very much withstanding, inflated prices is almost the definition of an unstable economy.

Yes, please keep on demonstrating your complete lack of understanding while I show you why you are wrong:

In an unstable economy you expect to see trends in sharp rise and fall in such things like the price of goods offered over a short period of time. That isn't what we've been seeing. Instead, after the initial inflation due to new influx of money in the system, prices stabilized and held steady.

Yeah, I'd call that unstable alright.



Look, I agree that making money shouldn't be the be all end all of the game. But it shouldn't be so difficult that you need do hours of old content solo just to make ends meet.

[Trisscar]

that reminds me, yah.. the numbers i quoted for titans are just the hull, no modules.

but it is also true that there are very few (if any) privately owned titans. so fair enough there.

but even with a T3 cruiser, you are an order of magnitude above anything HERE, with the added caveat that no matter how powerful the ship and the modules you fit to it, it's all technically "consumable" when somebody flies up and kills you.

basically eve HAS to shit isk, because it has FAR more isk sinks than we have gil sinks. (potentially every other pilot)

Fair enough. But the difference between Strategic Cruisers and just about any Gil sink? Strategic Cruisers are heads and shoulders above just about anything else flying out there (also a reason why they are generally a good investment, there isn't much out there that can threaten one). Compare that to just about any HQ where it's 15 million Gil or more compared to its NQ counterpart at 1 million.

What are you paying for, apart from an extra +2 here or there?

[Arcon]

All that money circulating through the economy, where do you think it ultimately comes from? If you guessed anything other than NPC, then you are wrong. Because entropy is inherent in a closed system when there is no outside energy being received. It's true for physics, it's true for economies.

Dosage is what matters. Where do you think money came from before cruor? NPC vendors. So it was obviously possible without. Only cruor significantly accelerated that process.

In an unstable economy you expect to see trends in sharp rise and fall in such things like the price of goods offered over a short period of time. That isn't what we've been seeing. Instead, after the initial inflation due to new influx of money in the system, prices stabilized and held steady.

That's not what an unstable economy is. Unstable doesn't have to rise and fall, it can do just one of the two, in this case inflation. And the price never stabilized, it went up significantly. You didn't notice it much for two reasons, first the demand was lowered. When demand drops, prices are supposed to drop. Instead they went up further, such as with currency for example.

Also, new people joined and old people reactivated when SoA was announced. With more people to distribute to, the influx of cash was not as noticeable, because people absorbed it. You would have noticed it a lot more if you waited a bit longer, until people stopped coming but gil kept on increasing. Which is why it wasn't a bad thing that they stopped it now.

Look, I agree that making money shouldn't be the be all end all of the game. But it shouldn't be so difficult that you need do hours of old content solo just to make ends meet.

Maybe your ends and my ends differ, but I didn't farm a single gil in the last month, and I kept playing throughout this time, and I still got enough money from just random drops to get by.

[Trisscar]

Hey Arcon look to the left of the screen. See that server beneath my name? That's right, brainchild. You and I are on the same server.

That means I have been watching the same market you have been all this time at the same time as you, under the same circumstances.

Auction House prices haven't been getting steadily higher, and neither have currency prices. In fact a lot of people have noticed a decrease in currency prices (due the flood of currencies). I figure you believe that if currency prices plummet enough people will stop farming Dynamis and you'd have no more competition...

What, you thought no one would see through your motives?