New weapons with higher base damage then relics

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Like I said: You've made your decision, and there is nothing I can do to change it. But do you tableflip a Monopoly game, then stick around to harass the people who are still trying to play it? Let us have our fun. You've already left.

Edit: But I'll give you a $500 bill and my deed to Park Place if you want back in and agree to behave yourself.

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READ WHAT I SAID. I will continue to keep playing this game IF se changes back to the model they have kept for the past 10 years, that is why i linger. I say what i do so se can see my displeasure and choose to listen or choose to ignore me, however i'm not going to pip down and keep quite because it displeases you.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

READ WHAT I SAID. I will continue to keep playing this game IF se changes back to the model they have kept for the past 10 years, that is why i linger. I say what i do so se can see my displeasure and choose to listen or choose to ignore me, however i'm not going to pip down and keep quite because it displeases you.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

I'm quitting.

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Sorry, did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

Well i just canceled my account and if they continue to go down this path, i will not return.

And FYI SE

I have been playing since 2005 and have a 99 aegis, 99 masa, 90 ochain, 90 almace, 85 kannagi, 85 twashtar and i have two accounts. So you lost a long term player paying for 2 accounts.

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yes you did

So you've quit, and you won't return. No, I haven't missed anything.

Edit: You've stopped paying SE. This is the biggest thing I'm taking offense to: You no longer pay them, yet I still do, and you think your word should be worth as much- nay, HALF as much as mine is? I'm still paying them despite the fact they've overlooked every suggestion I've ever given. You stopped paying them and expect them to make expensive changes on your behalf. Logical.

No, you're complaining and expect them to use my money to make changes you want. You're no longer willing to fund the project. Stop telling other people to do the same.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

You're not going to go into delve with perle gear and a level 75 weapon. .

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Why that ? Did you try delve a little ? I did some NM with top notch gear and a party of 6 and it raged at 80% (very easy to tank on monk, just too much HP and damage taken -). An army of perle DD would do as good because once it rages you can't do anything. The only reason people are killing mobs right now is that PLDs can hold them easily (DD can't because they can't deal dmg) while all the other DDs in the team so SA ws. It's not skill and doesn't resuire excellent gear by any mean. A player that returns today should farm bayld gear, get a nakkual weapon and go into delve.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

So you've quit, and you won't return. No, I haven't missed anything.

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so you know for a fact that se will continue down this path? (the every update old gear is completely replaced)

I only ask this because if you don't know this for a fact your reading comprehension is low.

edited my spelling error just for you yinnyth

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

so you know for a fact that se will continue down this path? (the every update old gear is completely replaced)

I only ask this because if you don't know this for a fact your reading compression is low.

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Then I should find a reading compressor.

Edit: sorry, I'm being unfair again. That was a low blow from me. I want you to know that I HAVE read every letter of every word you've posted in this thread, and I still disagree with your stance.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

So you've quit, and you won't return. No, I haven't missed anything.

Edit: You've stopped paying SE. This is the biggest thing I'm taking offense to: You no longer pay them, yet I still do, and you think your word should be worth as much- nay, HALF as much as mine is? I'm still paying them despite the fact they've overlooked every suggestion I've ever given. You stopped paying them and expect them to make expensive changes on your behalf. Logical.

No, you're complaining and expect them to use my money to make changes you want. You're no longer willing to fund the project. Stop telling other people to do the same.

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since you did a ninja edit after i replied, it is logical. If i continue to pay them and don't play why would they listen to me? they are still getting what they want MY MONEY. This is a company after all i mean the CEO is stepping down because they are losing profits so if i stop giving them my money and others do as well, it forces them to listen to what we want.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

since you did a ninja edit after i replied, it is logical. If i continue to pay them and don't play why would they listen to me? they are still getting what they want MY MONEY. This is a company after all i mean the CEO is stepping down because they are losing profits so if i stop giving them my money and others do as well, it forces them to listen to what we want.

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Oh? I apologize, it appears I did misunderstand you after all. I took:

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

I'm quitting.

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As meaning that you were cancelling your account(s). This is my mistake, I apologize for all my previous posts.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Then I should find a reading compressor.

Edit: sorry, I'm being unfair again. That was a low blow from me. I want you to know that I HAVE read every letter of every word you've posted in this thread, and I still disagree with your stance.

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Its fine for you to disagree with my stance, however you seem to have a problem with my stance saying my opinion isn't as valued as yours.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Oh? I apologize, it appears I did misunderstand you after all. I took:



As meaning that you were cancelling your account(s). This is my mistake, I apologize for all my previous posts.

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i did cancel my accounts after the update in protest of the new direction, and the quote you keep using saying i'm quitting was in response to someone responding to my initial post about my displeasure on the new direction, and out of context as i never just posted "I'm quitting"

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

Its fine for you to disagree with my stance, however you seem to have a problem with my stance saying my opinion isn't as valued as yours.

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Yes, yes, this was my mistake, and I am sorry for it. I read too much into the words you typed and assumed you had cancelled your FFXI account(s), and I was offended that a person who no longer pays for FFXI would suggest changes to it. It is my belief that if you want something to change, the least you can do is help fund those changes. It seems I got a little too hot-headed there, and I am embarassed for my actions, yet glad that you still have (an) active account(s).

Edit: Thank you for the above clarification as to the status of your accounts. Good day, sir.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

The reason i will not get the new items is because i don't know if they will be outdated in a month. I got the weapons i did thinking they would be the best or at least very close to the best. If you read my quote i said if they continue down this path. The path i'm referring to is making all old content obsolete and just new content is worth doing.

I know you might say well i can still do old content, but i didn't do dynamis everyday because i enjoyed it, i did it to get the best weapons. At this time the only content i see worth doing is delve and that is not enough to keep me playing, and like most like to point out, "if you don't like it quit, every MMO outdates all gear" well i thought ff11 had 1 slot they wouldn't and since i was wrong i'm taking the advice of others. I'm quitting.

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You are correct, you did not just make one post which said nothing but "I'm quitting." This does not alter the fact that you have pulled all of your support from our cause yet still have the audacity to tell us how to spend our money.

I'd say take it to PMs, but unfortunately there's no PM function on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

I'd say take it to PMs, but unfortunately there's no PM function on this forum.

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I would have done so long ago because no one in their right mind would read that exchange between the two of us. I really do wish these forums had that function.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Yes, yes, this was my mistake, and I am sorry for it. I read too much into the words you typed and assumed you had cancelled your FFXI account(s), and I was offended that a person who no longer pays for FFXI would suggest changes to it. It is my belief that if you want something to change, the least you can do is help fund those changes. It seems I got a little too hot-headed there, and I am embarassed for my actions, yet glad that you still have (an) active account(s).

Edit: Thank you for the above clarification as to the status of your accounts. Good day, sir.

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You are correct, you did not just make one post which said nothing but "I'm quitting." This does not alter the fact that you have pulled all of your support from our cause yet still have the audacity to tell us how to spend our money.

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I played this game since 2005 and have an active account for 20+ more days, get outta here with your all mighty stance of only yours matters. I have just as much of a right to say i don't like the direction of the game as you do to say you like the direction of the game. Also give me a break with this our cause and how to spend our money bs unless you work for se.

I'm not going to pay them to do something i disagree with and the only way i know how to show them i don't like it is to post here and cancel my accounts.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Why that ? Did you try delve a little ? I did some NM with top notch gear and a party of 6 and it raged at 80% (very easy to tank on monk, just too much HP and damage taken -). An army of perle DD would do as good because once it rages you can't do anything. The only reason people are killing mobs right now is that PLDs can hold them easily (DD can't because they can't deal dmg) while all the other DDs in the team so SA ws. It's not skill and doesn't resuire excellent gear by any mean. A player that returns today should farm bayld gear, get a nakkual weapon and go into delve.

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This is pretty much true.

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Originally Posted by bryangelos

I played this game since 2005 and have an active account for 20+ more days, get outta here with your all mighty stance of only yours matters.

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My sister and I followed this game since before it was released in Japan. We played it the very day it was released in the US. My accounts remain active, and will be so into the unforseeable future.http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...6ddbc08fff.png
But this is not a contest, and my stance is not the only one that matters. Yours also matters. To an extent. The extent to which you're willing to make it matter. With your wallet. Thank you for your support thus far. It has been a large help, and I appreciate that it has gotten us this far and allowed us to see these changes to the world we love. Should you choose to rejoin us, I will gladly welcome you as my equal, nay, my friend.

Until then, you are actively aiding in the destruction of something I care for. I apologize, but it appears you and I must be enemies in this matter.

Seems there's a post from Matsui about this today. I'll wait for the official translation, but I can say this much:

The fact these weapons have such higher base damage is absolutely disgusting. I would've been far more ok with progression on these that actually made sense. DMG jumps that are pretty much doubled for some and increased by over 100 for others isn't progression, it's setting a new bar. The armor is great. The weapons are gamebreaking. I'm fine with gear progression, as long as SE considers what people go through to get things. These new Naakual and crafted weapons (and even the lesser rare/ex weapons) don't consider any of that at all.

The only acceptable RME adjustments is a very significant increase in base damage. Make it require stuff from Delve for all we care. Adjusting the WS's will NOT address it, nor will adjusting the other stats. Only base damage. Just make us feel like we didn't waste all our man-hours, gil, etc. put into these weapons (I personally spent around 250 million on Apocalypse 99 and Ragnarok 99, ~100M in marrows alone). As far as I'm concerned, this update is a slap to everyone who did these, and if they DON'T fix these properly, an even bigger outrage will happen. The only reason we haven't gone that far is because we've been promised an adjustment that "might happen." I'm not even faithful that it'll be done right after what I've seen.

At this point, I have to 'force' myself to log on and the only reason I am is that I enjoy doing things with some people and they're still around. I want to believe the new weapons are fake, I really do, but they are actually implemented in the game with those damage ratings, so at this point, it's not a matter of "believing", as the stats on the rare/ex weapons are accurate. It's a matter of SE addressing the outrage they've caused and addressing it properly.

However, unless I read promises of increasing base damage on all of the weapons across the board, they won't be addressing it properly. Period. No matter what you do to let's say Spharai for example, it's never going to be used over a damage+146 H2H without having a very significant DMG increase.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

There's that post that makes me lol again!! Tee-hee-hee.

Honestly, I think less people would be table flipping and rage quitting if upgraded R/M/E were in the dats, even if unobtainable. Gives us something solid to look forward to, like "my relic may be obsolete for now, but I see and am happy with what it can one day be."

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QFT but less people would rage quiting if nobody datamined the new weapon (until people start getting the new weapon)

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Originally Posted by Zumi

One of the other things in game design that kinda upsets me is that the game went from small group content 6 people, and voidwatch which was easily pugable because it wasn't that hard. To this mega extreme you will die unless you have 18 really hardcore people.

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and that exactly the opposite that upseted me with abyssea release, going from LS event to lowman/pug

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Again, point missed. Many of us just don't feel motivated to do anything right now, in fear that it will be obsolete soon, after all the hard work we put into new gear.

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agree IMO some vertical progression is nice but we get it to fast, most haven't tried WK or skirmish and we already get next step, AND the step are TOO big

I don't mind RME not staying TOP weapon until end of time in their curent state, but they should get an upgrade coming soon after every weapon step up (update n=new best weapon, update n+1 =RME upgrade) while we just got two set of new best weapon + "we might upgrade RME sometime "

Apparently, Matsui is considering letting people unlock Relic and Empy WSs. So basically... Nothing.

The power creep here would be understandable if these new weapons were a little better the REM's followed by REM's getting an update to make THEM a little better again. These weapons are just absurdly powerful. This is power spike not power creep.

I mean, why should I even bother continuing to tediously grind out the gil I need for my Almace for another 4 months (1024 HMP, 10 Cinders so far) when it's just not going to matter? If SE thinks it's a good idea to make REM merely a rung on the gear ladder, with all the months of work you have to put into it, then I don't know what to say.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

Apparently, Matsui is considering letting people unlock Relic and Empy WSs. So basically... Nothing.

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trollolo


Serious: gotta laugh to keep from crying~

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Originally Posted by Alpheus

trollolo


Serious: gotta laugh to keep from crying~

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People been translating what he said on the JP side for an hour or two now, from the looks of it, they have no idea what they are doing. The "we may not have the manpower" comment is flat out insulting after their switching focus to FFXIV.

Or maybe they thought they had resources that for one reason or another they don't anymore. They did lose Phone support due to corporate restructuring. Maybe they had dev team members moved around. At the end of the day tho it is somewhat disheartening that that's their answer so far but I'm aware that maybe it's the only one they can give.

Honestly, they should've put Delve off and focused on having R/M/E upgrades lined up. They should lock Delve and make this stuff inaccessible till they fix it, and by that, I mean reducing dmg and adjusting Delve to work out with that, as well as boosting R/M/E.

I'm more surprised they didn't release more Naakuls first since as another thread put it, Delve makes maintaining Colonization Rates kinda low on the priority list as far as activities to do to further develop your character.

Again, I think their logic is that R/M/E can wait, and new content is more important. What they don't understand, is a lot of people think the opposite is true.

Although, if they adjusted R/M/E yesterday, to say, 15 DMG higher, we would all be really super excited, without knowing what they had plans for new content. Now, we at least have a gauge as to what to expect, so when we get our new/better/changed R/M/E weapons, it isn't a OMFGWTF moment for the rest of the player base.

Personally, I would still like them to do slowly incremental upgrades to R/M/E as they introduce new weapons like this, and scale them appropriately, so it isn't "R/M/E first" or "R/M/E last"

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Originally Posted by Toioiz

Again, I think their logic is that R/M/E can wait, and new content is more important. What they don't understand, is a lot of people think the opposite is true.

Although, if they adjusted R/M/E yesterday, to say, 15 DMG higher, we would all be really super excited, without knowing what they had plans for new content. Now, we at least have a gauge as to what to expect, so when we get our new/better/changed R/M/E weapons, it isn't a OMFGWTF moment for the rest of the player base.

Personally, I would still like them to do slowly incremental upgrades to R/M/E as they introduce new weapons like this, and scale them appropriately, so it isn't "R/M/E first" or "R/M/E last"

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If upgraded relics were in the dats, there'd be less anger, if the Producer HIMSELF didn't doubtfully state that they "may not have the manpower" to boost Relics, there'd be less anger.

That post just proves that they have no idea what they are doing. How this guy keeps his job as director is beyond me. Hell, I would even take Tanaka back after the shit sandwich we are being fed.

Who comes up with these ideas and why don't they play FFXI? If they did they would realize that most RME holders did not only do the weapons for the WS they also did it to have the highest base damage weapon for their class.

Now I'm not saying they WS are not good because there are quite a few that are. I'm saying that nobody would waste their time obtaining a 99 Relic or Empy for the WS alone and Mythics are completely screwed seeing we have access to the WS already.

Why did they not have a plan in place already for RMEs? Did they forget? I cannot imagine the conversation that took place when this new content was being developed. How did they not include the most dedicated niche of players in the game? It makes me sick just thinking about it.

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Originally Posted by Kojo

If upgraded relics were in the dats, there'd be less anger, if the Producer HIMSELF didn't doubtfully state that they "may not have the manpower" to boost Relics, there'd be less anger.

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I didn't read that they didn't have manpower in the post, what I got out of it was "We want to do this slowly, we always do things slowly, have patience", which isn't much better, but I do question who translated the "we may not have the manpower".

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Originally Posted by Toioiz

I didn't read that they didn't have manpower in the post, what I got out of it was "We want to do this slowly, we always do things slowly, have patience", which isn't much better, but I do question who translated the "we may not have the manpower".

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That was Camate, I believe.

Ah, good old FFXI dev team. At least they are consistent with their failures.

They didn't even have a solid IDEA for a plan in place for RME before they developed and implemented this stuff?

BAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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Originally Posted by Toioiz

I didn't read that they didn't have manpower in the post, what I got out of it was "We want to do this slowly, we always do things slowly, have patience", which isn't much better, but I do question who translated the "we may not have the manpower".

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He said it in his first post about this matter.

Anyone have a link? The one I found from this morning:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...81%84%E3%81%A6

Doesn't mention it.

Saying they don't have the manpower after just releasing an expansion is insulting. They need a better excuse.

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Originally Posted by Toioiz

Anyone have a link? The one I found from this morning:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...81%84%E3%81%A6

Doesn't mention it.

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post424630

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In regards to this system, the outline has been finished; however, we have yet to test if what we have planned can be realized and if we can secure the proper amount of manpower to continue it. We are at a point in time right now where it's difficult to explain the details, so please allow us to discuss this another day.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

My sister and I followed this game since before it was released in Japan. We played it the very day it was released in the US. My accounts remain active, and will be so into the unforseeable future.http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...6ddbc08fff.png
But this is not a contest, and my stance is not the only one that matters. Yours also matters. To an extent. The extent to which you're willing to make it matter. With your wallet. Thank you for your support thus far. It has been a large help, and I appreciate that it has gotten us this far and allowed us to see these changes to the world we love. Should you choose to rejoin us, I will gladly welcome you as my equal, nay, my friend.

Until then, you are actively aiding in the destruction of something I care for. I apologize, but it appears you and I must be enemies in this matter.

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And by you supporting a company which is going against its roots i wish you to leave my game and never return for you are the true cancer and you are ruining MY game by supporting and paying for changes i disagree with!

I really don't understand why you think i should continue to pay se and not play the game. I don't want to do the our gear is outdated every update grind but i like the old model, so i WILL NOT PAY FOR THEM TO MOVE TO THIS MODEL. If i continue to pay them and don't play then they have no reason to listen. You are a complete fool if you think otherwise, you said you believe if you want something changed that you should help pay for it. Well i would if they have a update saying that this will not continue to be the trend, until that time happens i will not support them doing something i disagree with using MY MONEY! and i can give a **** about what you think about the game because i don't play it for you, i play it because i USE to enjoy it. You keep acting like your SE you pay them to play the game just like me, and if they ever do something you disagree with and it makes you quit. By all means i hope you quit and keep paying them money for a game your no longer playing because that makes lots of sense.

I almost wish he had just been more vague. The unlocking WS comment is flabbergasting. Now on top of unsure funding we're 100% sure they don't even understand why people are upset. Even ignoring that Mythic WSes are already unlocked, many of the Relic WSes are complete garbage (Spharai, Rag, etc.) and are the last reason anyone in their right mind would make the weapons.

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Originally Posted by Momokiri

I almost wish he had just been more vague. The unlocking WS comment is flabbergasting. Now on top of unsure funding we're 100% sure they don't even understand why people are upset. Even ignoring that Mythic WSes are already unlocked, many of the Relic WSes are complete garbage (Spharai, Rag, etc.) and are the last reason anyone in their right mind would make the weapons.

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It's another perfect example of how out of touch they are with their playerbase.

I'm pretty sure the dev team have never made an R/M/E weapon in their life or can even full understand how many people are IN THE MIDDLE OF STILL MAKING ONE because they are a LONG TERM GOAL that takes 'A BIT OF EFFORT'.

If they understood that, they would have designed new weapons that were still desirable but didnt undermine all the past and present work people still put into RMEs.

I'd rather have them address RME to keep them relevant than add anymore adoulin content at this point.

Don't even get me started on how many mythic builders are getting the worst of it here, I hope you didnt turn in any alexandrites yet and were half done or anything...