New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Zumi]

Skirmish gear is pretty much on par with the relics and empyrean everyone already has, if you look around FFXI you be hard to anyone who doesn't have some type of relic or empyrean.

[Sparthos]

They want you to get Skirmish weapons to start doing Delve. In their eyes skirmish gear isnt obsolete, it's just a stepping stone.

The high prices for simulacra parts are just players being players.

High prices are dictated by the stupidly low % on getting parts. Soul Pyres are beyond stupid and encourage 3rd pt tools more than gold boxes in Abyssea did. Pyre wants you to open from inside a wall for a Skirmish part? OH WELL.

[Keyln]

99 R/M/E take a large amount of real life hours to make or farm the gil needed. FFXI is unlike other MMOs like WoW, Starwars or something similar where you replace your weaopns all the time. There is a huge grind and time sink with each weapon.

SE pissing off the majority of their playerbase is not good for their company if they lose a lot of subs over it.

It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

As I said before, the best thing that other players can do is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

[Vivik]

We still know next-to-nothing about how difficult these new weapons will be to obtain, the requisite quests, and any further circumstances involving the use of these weapons. It's a stretch to say that all R/M/E besides shield/instrument are useless, especially since SE explicitly told us that they would be receiving enhancements in the (hopefully near) future.

Who knows, maybe the new weapons will take as long as Relics? And maybe Relics will be given comparable damage ratings? Nobody knows.

EDIT: That said... every other weapon in the game is screwed, not to mention the majority of the in-game economy is forever changed...

But we do know where they come from. Half of the new weapons are craftable and recipes already known. The NQs alone rape every other weapon previously in the game.

[Alerith]

It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

As I said before, the best thing that other players can do is cry a river, build a bridge, and get over it.

Except Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons are exceptions to the rule. Trials have made it so that the best weapons in the game, that take time and effort, can stay the best weapons in the game. Ultimate weapons that can be properly upgraded to keep up with the flow of the game's progression nullifies "the natural way of things" in respect to those categories.

SE has already implemented a system to make sure those hard-earned weapons stay at the top. Now, all of a sudden they release crafted weapons that destroy every other weapon of it's type in the game? That seems a bit silly.

I'm also curious where this "R/M/E can't be on top forever" mentality comes from. Why shouldn't they be? Are they not the ultimate weapons of their type? Just because they came out years ago means they must become crap? Sounds like a lot of butthurt to me.

[JiltedValkyrie]

If these new 'ultimate' weapons require a relic to finish for some reason, then clearly getting a relic wasn't a waste. :P

I, as a Mandau owner, do not care... so long as I can get my hands on that shiney new 108 DMG dagger.

[bryangelos]

Well i just canceled my account and if they continue to go down this path, i will not return.

And FYI SE

I have been playing since 2005 and have a 99 aegis, 99 masa, 90 ochain, 90 almace, 85 kannagi, 85 twashtar and i have two accounts. So you lost a long term player paying for 2 accounts.

[Tamoa]

I'm sad because I have lost the drive to continue playing this game. With one brushstroke (figuratively speaking) SE has made pretty much every event but Delve 100% irrelevant, they've made the time and effort my friends and I put into our own and each other's R/E/M weapons a complete waste, and they've quite possibly completely f**ked up the economy.

I haven't cancelled my account though - yet.

[Ica]

It's not just other MMO's. It's the natural way of things in a progressive game. No matter how powerful your armor and/or weapon, in a game that's progressing online or not, there will always be something more powerful. This is especially true in an online context.

The problem is that SE doesn't usually do it this way. They've never really had a "next update destroys all the gear you have now" type attitude. Now all of a sudden they are shitting all over the weapons that people have had for years, weapons they spent a lot of gil on and put their hard work into.

[JiltedValkyrie]

To be fair... there's really no reason to get all tight just yet, as we have no idea how these weapons are truly obtained. They were found illegitimately by DAT mining, and everybody is upset. There could be any number of reasons for the information on the weapons, including they only work in Delve.