Sargatanas used to have a helpful and entertaining novice network and I was happy to be mentor on that server. Other servers were having problems with their novice networks spiraling into filthy decay but Sargatanas was still keeping to the original vision for the chat in the face of that for years.

That's changed. All I see when I connected to the novice network for a long time now is degenerate filth. There is excessive trolling by both sprouts and mentors and it's totally out of check. There are also a lot of players who are constantly steering the conversation to their obsession with fetishes that most people in the chat are not involved with and again this is both sprouts and mentors. The trolling and fetish talk is actively encouraged.

I hoped some older mentors would help try to reign in the chat. They seem to not be coming around anymore either. If I was a new player connecting to that chat I would assume FFXIV is just full of trolls and furry ERP. If that's the impression you want SE, it's your decision to leave the novice network chats user moderated.

One of the last decent novice network chats is an embarrassment. And the crown is embarrassing.

RIP Sarg NN.

Most of the older mentors are on long term break until 7.0, I only log in to keep my house now.

Okay ? Good for you I guess? If you don't like it leave it, let people have fun. If the majority of the people in there are having fun, don't be the fun police.

Originally Posted by Baingoleth

Sargatanas used to have a helpful and entertaining novice network and I was happy to be mentor on that server. Other servers were having problems with their novice networks spiraling into filthy decay but Sargatanas was still keeping to the original vision for the chat in the face of that for years.

That's changed. All I see when I connected to the novice network for a long time now is degenerate filth. There is excessive trolling by both sprouts and mentors and it's totally out of check. There are also a lot of players who are constantly steering the conversation to their obsession with fetishes that most people in the chat are not involved with and again this is both sprouts and mentors. The trolling and fetish talk is actively encouraged.

I hoped some older mentors would help try to reign in the chat. They seem to not be coming around anymore either. If I was a new player connecting to that chat I would assume FFXIV is just full of trolls and furry ERP. If that's the impression you want SE, it's your decision to leave the novice network chats user moderated.

One of the last decent novice network chats is an embarrassment. And the crown is embarrassing.

RIP Sarg NN.

The problem with mentors is this self appointed mentality they have about what being a mentor is about. Nobody's idea ever really homogines and it creates a tension of others not living up to youre/there expectations. The game DOES outline some basic mentor rules but these are in no way enforable because its etiquette anybody should follow.

All mentor is IS an achievement for being endgame ready on all 3 roles with 1500 commendations taking on average 3 weeks to grind on hlr. Its no great achievement but dementors cannot deal with this sobering reality. They need to constantly feel superior to sprouts and even other mentors. The nn is just a global chat dressed up as a noob help chat. But it's not at all. If it was the information would be correctly sourced, spite kicking wouldn't be a thing and players wouldn't s--tpost in it. Actual gms would be in it . If questions in nn get asked. Generally they get answered and ppl normally don't get berated. They do on my server but it's nn is toxic.

Once you release yourself from these ridiculous mentor expectations you'll be able to grind for your fancy pony and hang up the crown for good in dt. ( you don't need to renew it) I understand this is not the reply ppl wanna see or the truth they wanna face.. but it IS the truth.. because where is square out there doing anything to push it in the other direction. Nowhere. Enjoy ur ponny

No one would touch the mentor system if it didnt have the crown icon.

the mentor system is a joke, i dont need some silly icon next to my name to help people, anyone with the BK crown are either attention seekers or mount farmers the real mentors are the ones without the crowns, i see more non mentors giving advise in roulettes then i've ever seen mentors give

Originally Posted by Oizen

No one would touch the mentor system if it didnt have the crown icon.

Not true. Many hide their crown icon. It’s forced when you do mentor roulette which is understandable but I wish they’d changed it to something less ostentatious.

Skill issue. You are a janitor, not a cop. If you can't get buy-in from other mentors to keep the stuff that genuinely doesn't belong out, then either your server is actually above-average terrible, or you have an overly puffed-up image of what it should be and get no buy-in because nobody cares about your vision in particular. Given your complaints, I've got my suspicion on which is true...

Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

The game DOES outline some basic mentor rules but these are in no way enforable because its etiquette anybody should follow.

The mentors who were governing the channel when I was a sprout had some soft rules. No politics. No religion. No ERP. No advertising. No trolling. Warns and kicks were swift.

Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

The nn is just a global chat dressed up as a noob help chat. But it's not at all. If it was the information would be correctly sourced, spite kicking wouldn't be a thing and players wouldn't s--tpost in it.

Since Sarg used to have a lot of hard content players often chat would be about optimizing the jobs and excitement over new content. I remember also a lot debates over the metagame also but it was friendly banter haha. As a new player I found it inspiring and I wanted to git gud. Mentors never used to kick mentors at all. It wasn't needed. Kickwars on Sarg is a relatively new development. People used to just be excellent to each other and I'm not sure why Sarg stayed classy for so long. I guess it was just the atmosphere the oldbies fostered. But those names are nowhere to be seen anymore except very few. (shoutout to True King. Classy player.)

Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

Once you release yourself from these ridiculous mentor expectations you'll be able to grind for your fancy pony and hang up the crown for good in dt. ( you don't need to renew it) I understand this is not the reply ppl wanna see or the truth they wanna face.. but it IS the truth.. because where is square out there doing anything to push it in the other direction. Nowhere. Enjoy ur ponny

Haha I don't care about the mount. Looks like a long grind. Not something I'm interested in. I just revoked my mentor crown at the smith. I used to think striving to be a classy, welcoming mentor could change the image of mentors but the downward spiral is too steep now I think. I'm out.

Good take on the matter. I found your post insightful.

I have my doubts, being in the Balmung NN myself there is some memery and idle chit-chat but if you ask a question it gets answered if you need help with content people will help. Even flicking through the other NNs on Crystal for hunts I haven't seen anything super questionable. Perhaps OP wants NN to be strictly for answering questions and helping with content? I would disagree with that because I think a lot of the sprouts really enjoy the idle chit-chat and jokes plus in NN someone is always there which is a nice thing if said sprout has no FC or is in a less active FC