iLevel 70 crafted gear ridiculously expensive

So everyone knows the mats required to craft 2 star gear is more expensive than just buying Darklight, but I haven't seen a comprehensive cost comparison. So here it is; items that are especially expensive compared to the Darklight gear for the slot are bolded, except the accessories which don't have comparable stats so may arguable be worth it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...Xc&usp=sharing

As you can see not only are most crafted items many times more expensive than the Darklight equivalent, it's not even consistent across the board and some classes get shafted especially hard. For example DRG have to pay 1875 more tombstones or 6x as much as the Darklight equivalent for the belt, and 2550 more tombstones or 4x as much for the Darklight equivalent for the pants. The total difference for the entire set is 7740 more tombstones over the Darklight set; assuming 1 CM run every 40 minutes, it takes 52 straight hours of grinding to make up the difference.

This severely hampers the usefulness of crafting classes in the end game; crafted gear for 2 to 6 times the cost of Darklight equivalents is just not viable, even if they can be materia melded which can cost almost as much as the gear itself depending on melding luck. Maybe if iLevel 90 gear didn't exist and melded iLevel 70 gear is BiS there would be some purpose to getting the best gear in the game, but as it is there's no point to grinding 7740 more philosophy tombs for the opportunity to meld gear that's slightly better than Darklight but still inferior to Allagan/AF+1.

Crafting and gathering are supposed to have major roles in this game, and it's part of what makes this game more interesting than other MMOs; SE, please give them a purpose in the end game.

Agreed. I would further add that something needs to be done to address the scarcity of Tier IV materia. I can understand how the devs felt spirit bonding (at least by default) was too fast in the original game, but currently it's appallingly slow even when decked out with a full set of Spirit Bond gear & the FC buff. Add to that the fact that you may not even get the materia you want, it just kills all incentive to even try for HQ melded gear. You're far better off just grinding it out for +1 Relic Weapons and Armor.

Dont see what the complaint is.. I've had enough time to craft an entire gryphonskin set on Siren using nothing but the gil I made crafting.. Now when my monk gets 50 it'll have a complete set of ilv 70 gear waiting.


Edit: I only had to get every craft to 50, then spend weeks making gil for it.

The complaint is the cost of the items is not consistent. Why does a darklight ring cost 375 and a crafted one cost 2250? What is the reasoning in having the crafted item take 6 times as much darklight while only being marginally better? Why do WHM crafted pants cost 3375 and WAR pants+boots only cost 1125? If there is a valid reason why doesn't the same pattern follow for the vendored gear?

The whole token system seems like it was hastily thrown together with disregard to the cost of items or the impact it would have upon crafting.

Have you seen the cost of Coke?

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Originally Posted by Aemun

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im going to take a guess here, but the reason that the crafted armor is so much more expensive than the darklight is because, well, it can actually be sold...literally. when you buy the darklight armor, thats it. you and only you can use it. where as, the crafted gear you can trade and sell. that means that if for example, darklight armor could be sold like the crafted gear, I could sport FULL darklight armor without ever setting foot in one single dungeon. Hence, Darklight armor is only available to people who grind themselves, and thus "cheaper"

I really disagree with that tho. As a player that spends more time crafting that pve (dont judge me) it bugs me that this renders end game crafting useless. even worse that they make the items cost so much to make

possible solutions: either make the crafted gear be better than darklight armor (how i wish it true), or make make it so that end game crafted armor requires MUCH less ToP than it does now

I know that crafted gear must be more expensive than DL, but do you even know how much does a HQ Vanya Robe of Healing unmelded cost?
800.000 gil.
Now tell me how many lifes I have to live to get that much gil.

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I know that crafted gear must be more expensive than DL, but do you even know how much does a HQ Vanya Robe of Healing unmelded cost?
800.000 gil.
Now tell me how many lifes I have to live to get that much gil.

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Sell one titan win.

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Originally Posted by PiedPiper

Sell one titan win.

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SE is banning players who sell Titan runs.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

SE is banning players who sell Titan runs.

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uhm no they are banning people who are selling duped gil for real world currency.

SE is banning:
- Gil spammers
- Account hackers
- Titan run sellers
and other players, don't remember.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

I know that crafted gear must be more expensive than DL, but do you even know how much does a HQ Vanya Robe of Healing unmelded cost?
800.000 gil.
Now tell me how many lifes I have to live to get that much gil.

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Dude, im slightly a step up from "casual player". since release, taking 30 minutes a day to craft some items, i have managed to rack up over a million gil doing this. you can get that amount of money if you know what you are doing. and if you grind ToP, you can sell the items for over 80K. opportunities to make gil are there...you just arent seeing them.

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im going to take a guess here, but the reason that the crafted armor is so much more expensive than the darklight is because, well, it can actually be sold...literally. when you buy the darklight armor, thats it. you and only you can use it. where as, the crafted gear you can trade and sell. that means that if for example, darklight armor could be sold like the crafted gear, I could sport FULL darklight armor without ever setting foot in one single dungeon. Hence, Darklight armor is only available to people who grind themselves, and thus "cheaper"

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Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why the sets for DRG and BRD cost more than 3x as much as for PLD or WAR.

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Originally Posted by Sinbios

Maybe, but that still doesn't explain why the sets for DRG and BRD cost more than 3x as much as for PLD or WAR.

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its the free market. those prices fluctuate a lot. one day some items are worth a lot, the next they are work close to nothing. it basically depends on demand and supply

I'm pretty sure it has far less to do with "the market" and a lot more to do with the materials involved in crafting those pieces. As I said before, the price of Coke is outrageous and you need like 9 of it for a single piece.

You need at least 9 of the endgame crafting materials for 1 item, but that number can go up to 27 depending on the item you want.
27 Materials for 1 finished item is just too much.

They should lower the number of endgame materials to a maximum of 9 for every part of armor and 4-5 for accessories.

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SE is banning:
- Gil spammers
- Account hackers

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No crap.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

- Titan run sellers

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Citation needed.

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its the free market. those prices fluctuate a lot. one day some items are worth a lot, the next they are work close to nothing. it basically depends on demand and supply

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You didn't even look at the spreadsheet, did you? Those costs are in philo tombs. They're not purchased on the market.

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Originally Posted by Sinbios

You didn't even look at the spreadsheet, did you? Those costs are in philo tombs. They're not purchased on the market.

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One can buy Coke / Potash / Animal fat / etc from the AH.
One can farm Phylo tomes and get the items, sell them / use them / pay a crafter / etc.

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiB06

if you grind ToP, you can sell the items for over 80K.

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What`s ToP?

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its the free market. those prices fluctuate a lot. one day some items are worth a lot, the next they are work close to nothing. it basically depends on demand and supply

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This was in regard to the cost in coke/potash/etc. not being equal, (i.e. legs for one job need 9 coke, while another set of legs takes 27 potash) which is broken, clearly. Recipes need to be adjusted to use equivalent amounts of materials so that the costs are the same (material wise) from piece to piece (i.e. a head for drg takes the same number of EG mats as a head for brd).

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Originally Posted by gigi_frana

One can buy Coke / Potash / Animal fat / etc from the AH.
One can farm Phylo tomes and get the items, sell them / use them / pay a crafter / etc.

What`s ToP?

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The point isn't where they 'can' be purchased but rather how many need to be used for any given craft. A ring that costs 18 coke (2050 tomes) is absurd regardless of whether or not you can purchase the coke on the market, when placed side by side with a DL equiv that costs 375 even being meld-able doesn't make it worth the time/gil.
ToP = Tomes of Philosophy

They do need to 'adjust'/'normalize' the recipes, costing more is one thing, having costs that vary wildly from one class to another is something else entirely. Accessories that cost on the verge of absurdity makes me a sad panda.

I crafted in 1.0 and was looking forward to doing it as my source of income to support my once lavish lifestyle. Sadly the recipes for endgame and speed leveling, which kills the early~midgame markets, have made it a real turn off.

I am sure they will tweak the recipes in future patches. We`ll have to wait a bit, that`s all.

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I am sure they will tweak the recipes in future patches. We`ll have to wait a bit, that`s all.

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I dont think anyone doubts that the material cost will be adjusted at some point in the future. But will the change be implemented before the items are obsolete? Probably not.

Whether it was oversight or intentional, the design here is extremely nonsensical. The across the board inconsistency in material costs doesn't make sense to any reasonable person. The armorer crafted tank chest and leggings both cover 2 slots, yet both cost 9 tome items. These are actually cheaper than darklight, but the Vanya pants, which covers a single slot, costs an impractical 27, or 600% more than the darklight counterpart. Theres no logic in this, and the balance is way off.

The feedback is just to say that either something is very wrong here and it needs to be addressed, or there's some design decision that is simply incomprehensible and requires explanation. I hope it gets addressed soon, and I hope future tiers of recipes aren't subject to the same thing.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

SE is banning players who sell Titan runs.

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Flat out lie. my FC has been selling titan runs for a -long time- now and no one has been banned.

"Petition to be able to dye unique items" will get a response before this thread will.

And if it does it's more likely to be something like the one they posted in:

"Stat Potion CDs need some addressing please." aka "POS as intended".

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Originally Posted by gigi_frana

One can buy Coke / Potash / Animal fat / etc from the AH.
One can farm Phylo tomes and get the items, sell them / use them / pay a crafter / etc.

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I'm guessing you didn't look at the spreadsheet either...

well, one positive thing with the price:

I saw a guy with full penta-melded HQ ilvl 70 gryphonskin + accesories set earlier, reported him of course, as 100M+ gil is pretty much impossible to get on nonlegacy servers.

In all fairness, acquiring HQ mats for lv 70 gear is costly, (you need very high perception, and even then the HQ rate is 1%, unless you have 600+ GP, it will never get above 11%) Getting a sufficiently high crafting/control skill to even craft the gear is also pricy, not only in materials, but crafting gear, and the inevitable materia melds needed.

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In all fairness, acquiring HQ mats for lv 70 gear is costly, (you need very high perception, and even then the HQ rate is 1%, unless you have 600+ GP, it will never get above 11%) Getting a sufficiently high crafting/control skill to even craft the gear is also pricy, not only in materials, but crafting gear, and the inevitable materia melds needed.

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This has nothing to do with the cost of the gathered mats, which are peanuts in comparison.