75 minute Queue.

Duty status

Forming Party
Reserving Instance

Tank x1 Healer x1Melee x2

Time Expired 77 minutes.

Average wait time 19 min.

Why am I still waiting?

Some people aren't fortunate enough to wait this long.

This has to be fixed.

World of Warcraft had 12 million subscribers and they had no problems.

SQUARE-ENIX

What are your employees doing wrong?

Please fix it.

Learn from a superior company.

Thank you.

If Blizzard is such a superior company and running a superior MMO, why play this inferior MMO? :(

The 12 million subscribers may have had something to do with the smaller wait times.

You can always just... play WoW. *gasp* What a concept. And you could save us from your whining. Sounds like a win win to me.

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You can always just... play WoW. *gasp* What a concept. And you could save us from your whining. Sounds like a win win to me.

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He does have a point though. Or do you actually think it's okay to wait over a hour just to get into end-game content?

SE please snap your fingers and force people to play tanks and healers so I can get into the dungeon faster. Please SE its all your fault no matter what and only you can fix it within two seconds.

Edit: reserving instance my bad. Still I'm sure SE is aware of the problem. It may or may not be a problem come the fifth but its probably no small fix. I'll leave my original post up as a slap to me. To add another smartass comment though I'm sure there are more threads about this why make another? Better a smartass than a dumbass right?

Ah, it must be Monday again.

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He does have a point though. Or do you actually think it's okay to wait over a hour just to get into end-game content?

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What do you want SE to do about that? Force players to play more healers and tanks? Come on... TC answered their own question by mentioning the amount of players in WoW. There is a reason parties form faster and a reason it takes longer in FFXIV with everyone running around as DDs.

EDIT: Nevermind. this obviously isn't the answer to the issue. I think SE needs to have more dungeons reward tombs really, or expand their duty finder party limit. It's cumbersome but there are other things you can do while waiting in the meantime such as farming, crafting, gathering, leveling battle classes, etc.

It's me pushing SE to say, "Hey, we need to up our servers. We can't be inferior to Blizzard"

This isn't acceptable to fans.
I'm a huge fan, I just have incite from other games that did the duty/dungeon finder properly.



Why is SE Giving us a half ass duty finder?

If not working well, just remove it until we find out the problem? Most people waiting 60+ minutes probably miss the queue anyways since they had to run to the bathroom.

Well, he'd have a point if he was talking about having a full party sitting on the waiting line for AK, that gets a little crazy on mondays.
But you're saying about the DD queue, that's... Sadly our lot in life, everyone wants the mad deeps

Remember back in the day on FFXI and there were no such thing as instances? ^^ Causing all sorts of chaos with dynamis. Not so much with BCNMs though. I do recall waiting once for a 30cap prommy group who had arrive before us.
Back in the day eh?

Also - 75 minutes does kinda suck. I probably won't bother with AK tonight!

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SE please snap your fingers and force people to play tanks and healers so I can get into the dungeon faster. Please SE its all your fault no matter what and only you can fix it within two seconds.

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Try re-reading his post. He's not waiting for a tank or healer. He's waiting 70+ minutes in line for his team to get a server instance reserved.

This happens every Monday, with no relief coming from SE yet. I stopped doing any AK runs on Monday, and instead put together a fast Garuda farm group. Can earn the same/more tombs farming Garuda with no wait time.

I love threads like this. As if its SE's fault that the community is so horrible that majority of people who tries Tank or Heals run away screaming back to DPS/DD because it will get you cussed out less.

Well, no I take it back, they could do something to fix it- Start permanently banning anyone who trash talks/harrasses/whatever in dungeons to the tank or healer. Whammo, queue problems solved.

So there you go, SE. That's how you can make the OP of this thread happy- get to it!

The problem isn't the queue, it's the fact people only want to run CM or AK. SE, fix the Tomes drops and there won't be an issue.

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What do you want SE to do about that? Force players to play more healers and tanks? Come on... TC answered their own question by mentioning the amount of players in WoW. There is a reason parties form faster and a reason it takes longer in FFXIV with everyone running around as DDs.

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It's not related to role distribution, but a bottleneck on available instance servers.

Can you please read my thread. I'm not complaining about finding a Tank, or healer, or DD.

Just not sure why we're forced to wait (98 minutes I'm at now).

Here's an idea.

Trash mobs, half the HP, dungeon timer 60 minutes?

Seems like an easy way to keep people moving in and out of dungeons.

Let's face it, trash isn't the issue, people die on bosses.

This happens every Monday when Tomes reset. Everyone wants to speed through their 8 AK runs by dinner. You also don't need full AF2 to run Binding Coil. Instead of wasting time in the endless AK lineup you could get HM Primals done if you haven't and try out Turn 1. Fill a gear slot with Allagan and that slot drops to the bottom of the AF2 priority list.

Misread original post.

Actually agree.

I need sleep :/

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Misread original post.

Actually agree.

I need sleep :/

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I do expect them to do something to make it better (give us more ways to farm tombs, add more servers, I don't care).

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Original post was updated before you posted a reply to my old response.

The queue system was working beautifully before they started splitting us off into groups 'based on class/job distribution.'

And here lies the problem....there is only ONE 4 man lvl 50 dungeon that gives tomes of mythos and gear worth a darned.

So the result is that the servers delegated for that instance are over run every Monday since there is no CHOICE.

If there was more variety, I bet my hat there would be no 'reserving instance' for up to 2 hours on mondays.

Most MMOs these days launch with multiple small group dungeons and some with HM versions. Evidently, we only get one....

I have already done over a 100 runs now and I loathe the place deeply.

:( :( :(

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Just not sure why we're forced to wait (98 minutes I'm at now).

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Because you, along with everyone else and their friends and neighbors all decided it's a brilliant idea to do the same thing at the same time as everyone else.

Do you go out during rush hour traffic and get surprised when you get stuck in traffic?

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Because you, along with everyone else and their friends and neighbors all decided it's a brilliant idea to do the same thing at the same time as everyone else.

Do you go out during rush hour traffic and get surprised when you get stuck in traffic?

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Probably. Then complains how airplanes do it better.
/shrug

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Because you, along with everyone else and their friends and neighbors all decided it's a brilliant idea to do the same thing at the same time as everyone else.

Do you go out during rush hour traffic and get surprised when you get stuck in traffic?

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First MMO out of a long list that I have played which required me to wait for hours on end in a FULL group just to get into it. You can come up with excuses all you want but most game companies would increase server caps especially in a game that only has one lvl 50 4 man dungeon and that's it.

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First MMO out of a long list that I have played which required me to wait for hours on end in a FULL group just to get into it. You can come up with excuses all you want but most game companies would increase server caps especially in a game that only has one lvl 50 4 man dungeon and that's it.

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And of that long list how many did you play at launch? I doubt any of them had much more max level content then FFXIV does now. People are upset over things that will be straightened out in time but they jump to compare them to 8+ year old MMOs as if they launched with perfection.

Blizzard went to the shitter the second craptivision merged with them. Even SC2 sucks now.

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Duty status

Forming Party
Reserving Instance

Tank x1 Healer x1Melee x2

Time Expired 77 minutes.

Average wait time 19 min.

Why am I still waiting?

Some people aren't fortunate enough to wait this long.

This has to be fixed.

World of Warcraft had 12 million subscribers and they had no problems.

SQUARE-ENIX

What are your employees doing wrong?

Please fix it.

Learn from a superior company.

Thank you.

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oh no... you havent played wow have you? a DPS had to wait up to 1 hour for a dungeon, and if a tank or a healer left, boom 30 mins waiting, tanks had insta queue and healer had quite a fast one. this is not a problem with the company, probably there isnt enough ppl at the moment you queue (sounds like nonsense but its true). btw i played wow for 5 years and the wow queues are 5 man not 4 man

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Why am I still waiting?

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Because there currently aren't enough instance servers. It has nothing to do with the Duty Finder. You are simply placed in a queue because all instances are full.

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This has to be fixed.

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Yes, and it will be.

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World of Warcraft had 12 million subscribers and they had no problems.

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I have played World of Warcraft since open beta. I can tell you that they had a LOT of problems when they first launched. Most notably, that most people couldn't even access the game (sound familiar?) let alone enter dungeons. Naturally, after having been around for nearly a decade, the game now runs with minimal problems. I'm sure the same will be true for FFXIV when it reaches that milestone. But it seems rather stupid to compare a veteran MMO to one that has only been live for a little over one month.. don't you think?

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What are your employees doing?

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Several things. Most recently, they have resolved the 1017 errors and increased their data centers & relieved server tension enough to re-open character creation across several realms.. not to mention resuming the sale of digital orders. Now, I would imagine they are working on the increase of their instance servers.

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Don't be "that" guy.. do a google search to educate yourself on the terrible problems that plagued World of Warcraft when it was just a brand new MMORPG. Your beloved Blizzard is far from perfect. It's just hard to see that now since they have been running their game for nearly a decade.

I love how people try to think up clever comparisons and ignore the fact that it's SE's fault and not the players that there is a wait, the conditions they set are perfect for creating the congestion issues and they don't want to do anything about it. In fact, the only thing they did to the dungeon is make it take even longer by adding more mobs... lol

its Monday, mytho reset, its Coil or garuda or crafting day! I will do my few AK later in the week when there isn't a long instance queue.

the long queue is because people don't accept and then you get back of line with reserving instance (20min for instance and someone leaves =40min wait, someone not click yes again 60min wait), on reset day don't use the DF if you don't want ridiculous wait times, get 3 friends who are reliable to stay near there computer and be able to click yes. (my group runs TS and require atleast one person to be at the PC/PS3 at all times till we in, and everyone else close enough by to be able to click yes and waits are as short as they can be)

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And of that long list how many did you play at launch? I doubt any of them had much more max level content then FFXIV does now. People are upset over things that will be straightened out in time but they jump to compare them to 8+ year old MMOs as if they launched with perfection.

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Not talking about WoW but that was 8 years ago anyways which is a poor excuse if this is the meter to judge things by; most modern MMOs offer more than one true level 50 dungeon these days. Rift, AoC, SWToR, etc are some of the ones I could list as MMOs that offered more and all them 'failed' due to fact that end game was extremely limited yet they had more choices at launch than FF 14 ARR. Rift alone had 5+ regular 50 dungeons with HM versions. Having only one at start is pretty lame if you ask me. Really hope 2.1 comes out soon because running AK and only AK since that is the only choice atm will not keep people interested for long. Extremely long que times in a full group does not help.

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First MMO out of a long list that I have played which required me to wait for hours on end in a FULL group just to get into it. You can come up with excuses all you want but most game companies would increase server caps especially in a game that only has one lvl 50 4 man dungeon and that's it.

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No, most games would've been smarter to have more than 1 dungeon to farm mythologies from, but that's a game design issue. Nobody in their right mind would expand hardware capacity like you wanted for something that would only be useful for one or two days in a week. That's akin to asking for 20 lane highways to relieve rush hour traffic.

Seriously, the crybabies gamers have become these days... run Garuda HM, there's no wait time there, and if you are actually good, it's not much worse than AK w/ no wait for myth, and utterly destroys AK for myth/hr during the rush times. If that is somehow beyond you, then just wait 2 days before doing AK, does it really make any difference how you wait for the reset? it's not going to reset any faster if you cap it on monday.

In Eve we have a saying for complaints like these: HTFU. Seriously, if you played Eve, you would probably complaint about lag even in massive 3000 man fights.

It is reset day! Be patient impatient ppl..erm....

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Remember back in the day on FFXI and there were no such thing as instances? ^^ Causing all sorts of chaos with dynamis. Not so much with BCNMs though. I do recall waiting once for a 30cap prommy group who had arrive before us.
Back in the day eh?

Also - 75 minutes does kinda suck. I probably won't bother with AK tonight!

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There was also player/linkshell scheduling for old Dynamis so it wasn't as bad as some might think. Not sure if all servers did it but quite a few did from what I remember. BCNMs and the like were probably considered instances though as more than one group could go in and do the fight at the same time. Nothing on the level of a Duty finder though as you would have to run there yourself (and you had to be there to go in) plus it wasn't cross-server.

The very worst thing about this is that when someone doesn't accept the queue or "a party member withdraws" it sends you straight to the back of the line for reserving an instance.

Meaning, you sit in queue for about 30 minutes waiting for your instance to reserve.
Your instance finally gets reserved but "A party member has withdrawn from duty"
And now you have to wait another 30 minutes to reserve your instance.

Right now I'm sitting here with an average wait time of 10 minutes, yet I've been in queue for 53 minutes because each time my instance is up, someone withdraws.

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No, most games would've been smarter to have more than 1 dungeon to farm mythologies from, but that's a game design issue. Nobody in their right mind would expand hardware capacity like you wanted for something that would only be useful for one or two days in a week. That's akin to asking for 20 lane highways to relieve rush hour traffic.

Seriously, the crybabies gamers have become these days... run Garuda HM, there's no wait time there, and if you are actually good, it's not much worse than AK w/ no wait for myth, and utterly destroys AK for myth/hr during the rush times. If that is somehow beyond you, then just wait 2 days before doing AK, does it really make any difference how you wait for the reset? it's not going to reset any faster if you cap it on monday.

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AH now the name calling and insults to back up your arguement, good call!

I don't run AK on Mondays no more anyways so this is all moot. Just saying that the game design is at fault here straight up.

W/e. Done replying to you since you only want to name call and fight. Bye bye!

It is not merely endgame ques that take long and longer than 75 mins its the low level dungeons as well, however I always que while doing other things so that I am not idle or wasting time and it does not bother me because I continue on my regular activities while waiting. I also see a myriad of people shouting for parties still so there is also that route.

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Not talking about WoW but that was 8 years ago anyways which is a poor excuse if this is the meter to judge things by; most modern MMOs offer more than one true level 50 dungeon these days. Rift, AoC, SWToR, etc are some of the ones I could list as MMOs that offered more and all them 'failed' due to fact that end game was extremely limited yet they had more choices at launch than FF 14 ARR. Rift alone had 5+ regular 50 dungeons with HM versions. Having only one at start is pretty lame if you ask me. Really hope 2.1 comes out soon because running AK and only AK since that is the only choice atm will not keep people interested for long. Extremely long que times in a full group does not help.

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Your argument is a bit weird to me. You say FFXIV needs more dungeons to run... yet you list other games that had more dungeons to run but still failed? How is that a solution? I'm not sure what point you were trying to make with that tbh. I believe those games had many other things that contributed to their downfall and that was only part of the overall issues, having been apart of them myself.

Technically there is more than one 50 dungeon. We have CM, Praetorium, Wanderer's Palace, and AK (not counting Coils and Crystal obviously). The issues isn't not having dungeons, so much as the others need to reward better tombstone rewards like AK does so there are more options. I assume that is what you are saying and I don't disagree with you. Long que times is something we have to wait for SE to work out more or less unless distributing players into other viable 50 dungeons would help.

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CM = glorified easy mode philo farm. No drops what so ever and gives no mythos. Extremely boring instance if you ask me.

Prae = same as CM.

WP = entry level instance that has poor drops all in all and does not give mythos. Most people just skip this by the looks of things since you can easily do AK in AF junk + lvl 50 weapon.

Ifirit/Garuda = fairly easy places to farm weapons. Once you have it and or the relic parts; no point going back. Pugging these are easy though since they are not hard fights. Personally, after doing ifrit and garuda over 60 times or more now; it's not all that fun.

Titan: the PuG killer! No need to say anything more!

AK = THE only level 50 4 man dungeon worthy running atm thus it get's log jammed on Mondays.

Coil: raid lock out ftl so you have to be very choosy who you go with if you PuG or find a credible FC. However, only a small portion of the population has even access to it so I really don't count this as being something you can run consistently like a 4 man dungeon.

Anyrate, to anyone else....just wait a day and the ques will go away. Everyone just wants to get their mythos done for the week and then they can go play other games since there isn't much here to occupy people atm once you hit a certain gear level (full DL).