Sick of RMT spam

Now they've moved out of the cities. I already turn my chats off on entering main cities, but today I have to start turning chats off period I guess.

Why is there no SIMPLE method of reporting spam/players - a click on name interface?? Why is it that you are making it SO DIFFICULT on us to report it? Why are you guys in effect helping PROTECT RMT sites and players breaking game rules by burying the UI that reports them... making it incredibly PAINFUL to report???

Dunno if I'm going to sub on to this game if I have to TURN OFF MY CHATS which is an integral aspect in an MMO.

Every MMO is plagued by the inevitable gold spammers. This is something you're going to have to learn to deal with as a player of MMO games. I'd assume square has more important fixes/updates at this time. I do feel like they're being overwhelmed by this. More moderation never hurts but they've got so many worlds now. Banning doesn't really help by the way because there is always thousands more to take their place. These run on scripts, not actual humans. I personally think you should be at least level 15 and have completed the story quests up to that point in order to Shout/Yell that would cut down for a little while and make it easier to fight them. Obviously this puts a damper on chatter among legitimate players but it's a necessary evil. Overtime however they'll just find new ways to circumvent whatever measures are put in place. Companies have to be proactive and consistent with the fight to keep the spam down.

I'm not sure which MMOs you've been playing 16bit... but I've personally never experienced this much gold spam. My background: Ultima Online, EQ, WOW, Warhammer, SWTOR, Horizons, Shadowbane, DAOC, AOC, Eve, DDO, LOTRO, EQ2, Vindictus, Rift, GW2, Defiance, NVN... and like 25 that I missed. Never in any of my personal playing experience have I ever seen it this bad and this out there.

They aren't doing enough. They also help the RMT sites through their terrible reporting UI.

They said that they're working on a bunch of new stuff, a good chunk of the small things being implemented in 2.1 (the reason of which can be found here.) As to what they can/cannot specifically implement until 2.1, I couldn't tell you.

Regarding the RMT spam... Personally, I feel like it's been getting better, but it's not where it could be. Admittedly, I'm not exactly the most active player, so my perspective regarding the situation is rather limited. The game is not yet a month old, so I'm going to give it a little more time before passing judgement on the growing pains of a new MMO - that is, I'm not too concerned with the number of issues the development team runs into. It's how they handle those issues that will either keep me around or push me away.

We would have less of a problem with these RMT bots if the game was console only. Just sayin.

I have a blist full of those bastards lol. But when I get the personal chat ones I get to use the spiffy macro /blist add <r> which auto blists the last person to send you a tell. So as soon as I here the tone I do check the message at a glance and then hit my macro and that person is blisted. Yeah it still sucks to get these but I just kinda view it as a mob attack and my macro is the spell to kill that particular mob.

These issues are "here and now" issues - in your face as you log into the game. If they can't even get a handle on this type of issue what hope should I hold on them being able to develop better content? It can't be THAT HARD to be proactive and throw a GM account for just 10 mins in every city in the game... or to have the ability to report players through clicking on their name. What genius thought up the report function? That scares me actually. If they can't even handle a proper functional report interface?

The fact that I have to shut down chats in an MMO is the main reason I left Rift. Spam (guild spam, rex spam, dimension spam) was completely out of control and you couldn't hold a simple conversation in any global chat without being inturrupted several times. Chat communication is an INTEGRAL aspect of MMO... it's not a miniscule problem that both of you seem to think it is. I AM TURNING OFF MY CHATS BECAUSE THIS COMPANY CANNOT HANDLE THEIR BUSINESS.

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Originally Posted by AmonXF

If they can't even get a handle on this type of issue what hope should I hold on them being able to develop better content?

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This is a valid point. Getting a moderator for each server to keep an eye on the chats should be something basic and easy. Right now there is almost nothing going on on these chats, because those have become the domain of the bots. The moderators wouldn't even have that hard of a job. Square should just make an app that lets the moderator know if there is a "rapid discussion" on a chat and then take a look on it. If there is a bot, just hit it with a ban hammer. Wait for another source of "rapid discussion" and repeat.

Yeah Blaine - I think my issue here is NOT with RMT in the game... but it's more with SE's decided LACK OF ACTION... they don't seem to be even attempting to do anything constructive about it.

If this was MY game and MY company, I would be truly embarassed by 2 key items here:
1) That anyone could HOP from X,Y,Z pointA to X,Y,Z pointB without being detected by my program and automatically flagging that account to be terminated. Like really basic stuff here... if you move faster than the game's limits that should be investigated right NOW and banned right NOW.
2) Gil Spam. This is maybe not easily 100% terminated however things like a truly dedicated investigation team and a better UI interface... basic items... including other things like having GM accounts logged in for a 1-2 week "blitz"

You guys think they will dumbdown a bit after 30 day sub?
I had barely played any P2P MMO's. but Jesus Christ.
These forum restrictions are shit and now I can barely talk in the game.
DO SOMETHING.

And the funny part is, you can bypass some of the restrictions.
"You can't have a post longer than 1000 letters! But you can edit in a whole library later if you want to."

One word: YUCK!

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Originally Posted by BlaineCraner

We would have less of a problem with these RMT bots if the game was console only. Just sayin.

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I and 1000,s of others would also not be playing if it was console only. Back on topic, ive played many mmorpgs over the last 15 years, ffxiv by far has the worse spam ive seen for a p2p, which could b sorted wit a simple hotfix, other than this im enjoying it and looking forward to pvp as it seems pvp wil rely on teamwork and not op,d classes 1 shotting!

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Originally Posted by BlaineCraner

We would have less of a problem with these RMT bots if the game was console only. Just sayin.

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Yeah. Because over half the player base wouldn't exist. Are you seriously that stupid?

edit: after doing some sales research I have found that you seriously are that stupid.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/2512...l-fantasy-xiv/

The PC version (869,000 copies sold) alone has over double the amount of PS3 players (424,000 copies sold). You give console gamers a bad name and sicken me with your ignorance.

To contribute. I really dislike the Gil Spammers, definitely the worst I have seen in any MMO. But I trust they are fixing it, and I found that if you use your mouse to click and scroll on the chat slider, it stops the chat from automatically scrolling down with next text. It makes copy, and pasting their names loads easier. If you have a mouse and keyboard that is.

sorry but,reality is most games do NOT tolerate it.here are some simple fixes,block tell/shout/yell till level 15,if it takes 2 hrs they will not do it. allow when you click on name to to add to blacklist.have people monitor if spam delete account IMMEDIATELY.site ban accounts.i am sick and tired of spending 5 min per town that i go to blocking spammers.ALLOW blist to be account based.i made a new char and had to block the same people.

The spamming wasn't that bad until that third party site was hacked. A lot of people used the same login/password on that site for the actual game (and likely other games and sites).

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Originally Posted by leomike35

I have a blist full of those bastards lol. But when I get the personal chat ones I get to use the spiffy macro /blist add <r> which auto blists the last person to send you a tell. So as soon as I here the tone I do check the message at a glance and then hit my macro and that person is blisted. Yeah it still sucks to get these but I just kinda view it as a mob attack and my macro is the spell to kill that particular mob.

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Interesting... I'll need to try that out.

I agree to this post! Stop the insanity.

The fact that the free trial period is ending won't have any affect on the problem. Some names are obviously created with that intent of making it harder to blist, such as Dasdfgd Adfgarf or some such. But increasingly we're seeing hacked accounts that have been hijacked and turned into RMT spammers, with names that people clearly put thought into and that are tied to the game's mythology. RMT doesn't care about the trial period ending because they'll just hack accounts and use an already paid for account to do their dirty work.

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Originally Posted by BlaineCraner

We would have less of a problem with these RMT bots if the game was console only. Just sayin.

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You'd also have more than half the population.

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Originally Posted by AmonXF

I'm not sure which MMOs you've been playing 16bit... but I've personally never experienced this much gold spam. My background: Ultima Online, EQ, WOW, Warhammer, SWTOR, Horizons, Shadowbane, DAOC, AOC, Eve, DDO, LOTRO, EQ2, Vindictus, Rift, GW2, Defiance, NVN... and like 25 that I missed. Never in any of my personal playing experience have I ever seen it this bad and this out there.

They aren't doing enough. They also help the RMT sites through their terrible reporting UI.

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Actually, Aion had it worse in it's early days. Not only was shout channel full of gold spam (kinah in this case), but the gold sellers harassed you in both tells and spammed your in-game mailbox with advertisements. It was ridiculous!

If it weren't for Square Enix putting in a requirement for someone to be on your friend's list in order to send in-game mail, your mailbox would explode with advertisements to buy gil.

It's not even so much the amount of RMT and subsequent shouts that there are in the game, it is the fact that they need to fill all of the lines of chat with the same thing web address, thus killing your chat box. I, personally, have an extra chat filter that has nothing but FC, LS, Party, and Tell chats that I flip to whenever I feel it is getting out of hand.

Though I understand what is being said about having a lvl 15 restriction on shout/yell, that kind of defeats the purpose of chatting. I don't know how many times I have seen somebody shout for "where is x mob" or even just general conversation. Instead of more restrictions on the legitimate players, SE needs to get their "special" team actually doing there job. 500+ accounts banned is only the tip of the iceberg.

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Originally Posted by KujinRen

Actually, Aion had it worse in it's early days. Not only was shout channel full of gold spam (kinah in this case), but the gold sellers harassed you in both tells and spammed your in-game mailbox with advertisements. It was ridiculous!

If it weren't for Square Enix putting in a requirement for someone to be on your friend's list in order to send in-game mail, your mailbox would explode with advertisements to buy gil.

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oooohhhh.. thats explained why i got a ramdon friend imvite once... and THANKS havrn for this limit...

... so how can u report them? i dont find a way on ps3...
there r this 2 lalafell.. pretty cute btw looking at each other, infront f the leve in gridania, that r RMT spamming. I couldn't figured out how to report...
<.< sorry...

Thing is also in game players spam
A few locations i have seen the spam messages pop up and low and behold the person who sent it was standing there in one of the towns
This happened with 2 different people. Closing of their account would be ideal even if a temporary fix

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Originally Posted by Maero

Thing is also in game players spam
A few locations i have seen the spam messages pop up and low and behold the person who sent it was standing there in one of the towns
This happened with 2 different people. Closing of their account would be ideal even if a temporary fix

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oh i though that they were always in the game... i have seen them a LOT just standing there.. normally a lvl 1, no moving for hours (while i craft a few steps away) and u see his/her name is the one spamming ufor gil

the gil bots and the farmer bots are out of control but the tell spam is the worse!!! how is this hard? i've played mmo's since UO and never been subjected to this kind of nonsense...even UO gave you GM's that would come help or would show up invisible to talk and help you. yesterday i reported a gang of bot farmers lol i fell asleep and was auto logged for inactivity but when i got back on the next day they were still there farming level 5 trees...so why do i get logged out and have to wait in que for these cheaters and spammers???

am so sick of them as well, thinkin I can get a way from them through P2P/subs based game but its really worst in here... hw bout tryin to IP block the whole country they came from, lets say China for example. not a racist, am jus sayin!!! xD

jus to add, hw bout limiting /shout /yell perks according to character level jus liek in forums. its not liek global chat in my server is always alive w/ a legit conversation. day or night, no1 really wants to talk lol