BARD DPS Slow, Not Low

BARD damage is parsing high due to our ability to move and groove but: In a normalized situation where River of Blood procs are almost non-existent and the enemy health is above Misery's End threshold - we are at a constant 1.0 second down time. Most of our shots aren't instant, as having no cast bar would have you believe. They are 1-1.5 second casts and thus with a 2.5s GCD - we are left with 1 whole second of doing nothing (unless Bloodletter is available). This feels very slow to me, and I'm not sure how other BRD's feel but I think the GCD should be lowered to at least 2.0s normalized. A half second should be enough time to be methodical about choosing abilities and it shouldn't feel as though you're standing there doing nothing. A whole second is a long time in MMO's.

why should Bards have a lower GCD than anyone else in the game bar monks?

Even monks are right around 2.0 I'm at 2.02 with full DL and relic. So this seems like a bad idea

not sure if serious

What?

It may be lower than others but why should it be faster than others?

I agree my fellow pewpewier!

You know what?

They should revamp the ARC/BRD entire system and introduce a third person shooter aim reticle and make our attacks into a real shooter, so we can just hold M1 and fire like a machine gun!
And while we are at that, please, give me a fast health regeneration, because healers sometimes refuse to heal me, when I'm the one who's got the enemies attention! <-Probably jelly of my good looks
Wouldn't hurt to make the screen flash red when I'm low on HP as well.

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Originally Posted by Coralfang

I agree my fellow pewpewier!

You know what?

They should revamp the ARC/BRD entire system and introduce a third person shooter aim reticle and make our attacks into a real shooter, so we can just hold M1 and fire like a machine gun!
And while we are at that, please, give me a fast health regeneration, because healers sometimes refuse to heal me, when I\\'m the one who\\'s got the enemies attention! <-Probably jelly of my good looks
Wouldn\\'t hurt to make the screen flash red when I\\'m low on HP as well.

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I approve
10/10

Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses? I'm not actually suggesting that they lower just BARD global cool down - I'm suggesting they lower it across the board. I am just providing perspective from BRD point of view -- this isn't a "Buff BARDs" thread.

Unless the forum goers here just happen to lack any real reading comprehension?

A real simple "I don't agree" or opposing view point would suffice instead of this garbage.

they should just give our shots cast times so people would finally stop complaining, and add more songs!

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Originally Posted by Anonydort

they should just give our shots cast times so people would finally stop complaining, and add more songs!

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Perhaps the GCD decrease was hasty. Maybe a song that affects Skill Speed? For those moments where every second is crucial?

I would even wager that a -10% damage is a fair trade off for faster damage. Give up some large over time damage for short, quick bursts. This would be beneficial for all classes in listening distance.

A lower GCD would hurt melee dps. Mainly DRG is designed to have tons of attacks that he can fire between two GCDs (leg sweep, jump, spineshatter dive, dragon fire dive aso) and to a lesser degree MNK who needs time in between his attacks to go for Rears and Flanks.

Been a Bard since the beginning of 1.0 and I personally think it is fine just the way it is. Now the song idea is not bad, I would have to agree on that one.

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Originally Posted by elementxstyle

Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses? I'm not actually suggesting that they lower just BARD global cool down - I'm suggesting they lower it across the board. I am just providing perspective from BRD point of view -- this isn't a "Buff BARDs" thread.

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Well that means if they lower it all together it's a nerf to dragoons and monks AND mages.

What about Monks and Dragoons positional attacks? Lower GCD's will make there job even harder since they have less time to get into place for the positional bonuses. The positional bonuses aren't easy to land constantly, 2.5 is already pretty fast for the positions they have to get in. (even less for monk since that's there whole gimmick).

What about mages? The GCD being lower means they will be stuck in casting state while Bards are just firing even faster than before. Lowering the GCD doesn't change their cast time.

There's a reason why the GCD is how it is, positional bonuses and spell casting would fall much farther behind if it was lower.

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Originally Posted by elementxstyle

A half second should be enough time to be methodical about choosing abilities and it shouldn't feel as though you're standing there doing nothing. A whole second is a long time in MMO's.

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Maybe for you it's "plenty of time to choose" abilities, but for those playing classes that have to constantly move from flank to back it's a whole different game.

Lowering GCD only buffs bards, but not anyone else.

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Originally Posted by elementxstyle

Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses?

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Because intelligent responses usually only follow intelligent queries.

Though just to humor you, the reason why we probably won't see something like this has been answered well by many people in the thread already. DRG & MNKs rely on off GCD attacks, and although they are off GCD, they are not instant, they have animations that can push back the next attack. All of DRG's jumps will push back your next attack by around half a second so it already turns it into a 3 sec GCD. Making the GCD shorter will just exacerbate this issue for melee while BRDs dps will largely only increase across the board. For SUM/BLM, they still have to cast. They'll still be casting their attacks at the same speed, not benefiting from a lower GCD as much as BRD again will. We're all laughing at you because you say you're not asking for a BRD buff but lowering GCD would only buff BRDs for the most part.

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Originally Posted by Calypsx

Maybe for you it's "plenty of time to choose" abilities, but for those playing classes that have to constantly move from flank to back it's a whole different game.

Lowering GCD only buffs bards, but not anyone else.

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I think it's pretty obvious that with a lower GCD, they'd also have to reduce cast times. Right now though, the combat should be faster and more responsive.

Animation locks are beyond ridiculous, and combat generally feels like its from a stone age MMO. I have to spam instant abilities to get them to actually work. It's so extremely backwards and poorly done that I'm having a hard time seeing how they can avoid losing players in the long run because of such a horrible system.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

I think it's pretty obvious that with a lower GCD, they'd also have to reduce cast times. Right now though, the combat should be faster and more responsive.

Animation locks are beyond ridiculous, and combat generally feels like its from a stone age MMO.

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Monks and Dragoons need that time to get into proper position in order to maximize their damage. Do you plan on increasing run speed as well? All this random overhauling for something that isn't even that big of a deal at higher levels.

You are possibly the best DPS class, there isn't anything left to complain about.

Also people like the combat, just because you don't doesn't mean it needs to be overhauled. I like my traditional RPGs, I don't enjoy action games. Everyone has different preferences.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

I have to spam instant abilities to get them to actually work.

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Use them in the middle of your GCD, that's when they are able to work. At the 50% point of the GCD is when they can be activated. You can't face roll them in this game.

If you think Bards are slow, you are clearly not playing it right.

Well, combat is crap compared to most other MMOs. Traditional or not. If you're stuck in the past you'll go nowhere.

It's unresponsive and plagued by animation locks. GCD and cast times aren't even the biggest issues. Can't even imagine PvP with a combat system like this, just not going to happen.

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Originally Posted by Imoye

Well, combat is crap compared to most other MMOs. Traditional or not. If you're stuck in the past you'll go nowhere.

It's unresponsive and plagued by animation locks. GCD and cast times aren't even the biggest issues. Can't even imagine PvP with a combat system like this, just not going to happen.

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Here's my thoughts on what you just said. Usually when I don't like a game, I stop playing that game. I recommend you do the same since there are plenty of games out there that you may enjoy.

Clearly this game isn't for you and there's nothing wrong with that, you just need to move on and continue searching. Not every game is for everyone.

Yeah, we should all totally take the word of a level 37 Bard guys, game is doomed, GG.

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Originally Posted by elementxstyle

Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses? I'm not actually suggesting that they lower just BARD global cool down - I'm suggesting they lower it across the board. I am just providing perspective from BRD point of view -- this isn't a "Buff BARDs" thread.

Unless the forum goers here just happen to lack any real reading comprehension?

A real simple "I don't agree" or opposing view point would suffice instead of this garbage.

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It may feel slow for you but you need to keep in mind that this game was also design for console/gamepad play as well, this is probably the primary reason.
This also has the effect of promoting a more slower pace and deliberate style of play compared to other MMOs - honestly having to press buttons at quicker intervals may feel better but does it really contribute to gameplay that much?

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Originally Posted by elementxstyle

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You have a lot of non-gcd skill. Try to play DRG and come back crying.
Bard is probably the less "slow" after monk among all classes.