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    elementxstyle's Avatar
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    Kiryu Toshi
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    BARD DPS Slow, Not Low

    BARD damage is parsing high due to our ability to move and groove but: In a normalized situation where River of Blood procs are almost non-existent and the enemy health is above Misery's End threshold - we are at a constant 1.0 second down time. Most of our shots aren't instant, as having no cast bar would have you believe. They are 1-1.5 second casts and thus with a 2.5s GCD - we are left with 1 whole second of doing nothing (unless Bloodletter is available). This feels very slow to me, and I'm not sure how other BRD's feel but I think the GCD should be lowered to at least 2.0s normalized. A half second should be enough time to be methodical about choosing abilities and it shouldn't feel as though you're standing there doing nothing. A whole second is a long time in MMO's.
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    Azia Merot
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    why should Bards have a lower GCD than anyone else in the game bar monks?
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    Even monks are right around 2.0 I'm at 2.02 with full DL and relic. So this seems like a bad idea
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    not sure if serious
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    What?

    It may be lower than others but why should it be faster than others?
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    Drogan Firesong
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    I agree my fellow pewpewier!

    You know what?

    They should revamp the ARC/BRD entire system and introduce a third person shooter aim reticle and make our attacks into a real shooter, so we can just hold M1 and fire like a machine gun!
    And while we are at that, please, give me a fast health regeneration, because healers sometimes refuse to heal me, when I'm the one who's got the enemies attention! <-Probably jelly of my good looks
    Wouldn't hurt to make the screen flash red when I'm low on HP as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coralfang View Post
    I agree my fellow pewpewier!

    You know what?

    They should revamp the ARC/BRD entire system and introduce a third person shooter aim reticle and make our attacks into a real shooter, so we can just hold M1 and fire like a machine gun!
    And while we are at that, please, give me a fast health regeneration, because healers sometimes refuse to heal me, when I\\'m the one who\\'s got the enemies attention! <-Probably jelly of my good looks
    Wouldn\\'t hurt to make the screen flash red when I\\'m low on HP as well.
    I approve
    10/10
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    Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses? I'm not actually suggesting that they lower just BARD global cool down - I'm suggesting they lower it across the board. I am just providing perspective from BRD point of view -- this isn't a "Buff BARDs" thread.

    Unless the forum goers here just happen to lack any real reading comprehension?

    A real simple "I don't agree" or opposing view point would suffice instead of this garbage.
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    Last edited by elementxstyle; 09-24-2013 at 03:08 AM. Reason: adding

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    Quote Originally Posted by elementxstyle View Post
    Why doesn't this community have actual intelligent responses? I'm not actually suggesting that they lower just BARD global cool down - I'm suggesting they lower it across the board. I am just providing perspective from BRD point of view -- this isn't a "Buff BARDs" thread.
    Well that means if they lower it all together it's a nerf to dragoons and monks AND mages.

    What about Monks and Dragoons positional attacks? Lower GCD's will make there job even harder since they have less time to get into place for the positional bonuses. The positional bonuses aren't easy to land constantly, 2.5 is already pretty fast for the positions they have to get in. (even less for monk since that's there whole gimmick).

    What about mages? The GCD being lower means they will be stuck in casting state while Bards are just firing even faster than before. Lowering the GCD doesn't change their cast time.

    There's a reason why the GCD is how it is, positional bonuses and spell casting would fall much farther behind if it was lower.

    Quote Originally Posted by elementxstyle View Post
    A half second should be enough time to be methodical about choosing abilities and it shouldn't feel as though you're standing there doing nothing. A whole second is a long time in MMO's.
    Maybe for you it's "plenty of time to choose" abilities, but for those playing classes that have to constantly move from flank to back it's a whole different game.

    Lowering GCD only buffs bards, but not anyone else.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 09-24-2013 at 09:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
    Maybe for you it's "plenty of time to choose" abilities, but for those playing classes that have to constantly move from flank to back it's a whole different game.

    Lowering GCD only buffs bards, but not anyone else.
    I think it's pretty obvious that with a lower GCD, they'd also have to reduce cast times. Right now though, the combat should be faster and more responsive.

    Animation locks are beyond ridiculous, and combat generally feels like its from a stone age MMO. I have to spam instant abilities to get them to actually work. It's so extremely backwards and poorly done that I'm having a hard time seeing how they can avoid losing players in the long run because of such a horrible system.
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    Last edited by Imoye; 09-24-2013 at 09:32 AM.

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