Materia System

So I'm a WHM trying to get my Quick tongue materia 3 with no luck, I have converted 20+ pieces and have not gotten a single one. The worst part about this is that you cannot convert green gear from WP/AK, dark light, or artefact gear...why the hell not. Are we honestly expected to keep buying white gear to convert it since we cannot convert any of the gear we are provided with

How DARE Crafters have a purpose!

How does that make things any better, I still have to buy gear just to bind it then convert it

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Originally Posted by buttcancer

How does that make things any better, I still have to buy gear just to bind it then convert it

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Complaining makes it better... its a rare materia, keep melding and keep working toward your DL gear in the meantime, make sure you have two tur rings, tur brac, tur neck, and tur electrum head peice and you will get it in no time. Not everything can be handed to you like a child..you gotta work for something good and if you're in a fc ask them to do Spirtbond increase for a day or two while you get it

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Originally Posted by Supersun

How DARE Crafters have a purpose!

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That has absolutely nothing to do with what he said. You have no idea what you are talking about and you should feel bad for being stupid.

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

That has absolutely nothing to do with what he said. You have no idea what you are talking about and you should feel bad for being stupid.

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you should feel stupid because thats pretty much crafter prupose; don't come on here bashing someone like that. Right now crafters purpose is to create gear ---> people buy the gear to get materia ---- > Spiritbind ----- > repeat

if they allowed dungeon gear to be SB then wth would the prupose of crafting be? nada

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

That has absolutely nothing to do with what he said.

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Oh but it does:
-Dungeon Gear
-Darklight Gear
-AF2 Gear
-Relic Weapons
These far overpower anything that can be crafted.
Being able to convert these into materia would make crafting useless.

Crafting->Spiritbonding->and converting into materia give crafters a purpose in this game.

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Originally Posted by Austin

you should feel stupid because thats pretty much crafter prupose; don't come on here bashing someone like that. Right now crafters purpose is to create gear ---> people buy the gear to get materia ---- > Spiritbind ----- > repeat

if they allowed dungeon gear to be SB then wth would the prupose of crafting be? nada

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Oh but it doesn't. Either or can do it. I constantly equipt whites and SB them in minutes then turn them into materia. So yea nothing to do with it because both classes can do it equally. Cry more.

Also I get it the whites from npc. None of your crafts involved. Now if he was talking about slotting them, I would take back my comment.

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

Oh but it doesn't. Either or can do it. I constantly equipt whites and SB them in minutes then turn them into materia. So yea nothing to do with it because both classes can do it equally. Cry more.

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Take an English writing class, you freaking need it, you're just trying to make a fight goodbye sir enjoy my BL here and ingame.

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

Oh but it doesn't. Either or can do it. I constantly equipt whites and SB them in minutes then turn them into materia.

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I really don't understand what you just said...can you retype it?

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

Also I get it the whites from npc. None of your crafts involved. Now if he was talking about slotting them, I would take back my comment.

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It is possible to get whites from NPC,
However it is sometimes cheaper to buy them from a crafter.
Also I believe (and don't quote me on this because this could be false information) You can get higher tier materia by converting high quality equipment created by crafters.

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The base item converted heavily influences the type and quality of the resulting materia.

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http://www.ffxivguild.com/ffxiv-a-re...materia-guide/

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Originally Posted by Austin

Take an English writing class, you freaking need it, you're just trying to make a fight goodbye sir enjoy my BL here and ingame.

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And the guy who insults my phone typing doesn't punctuate correctly. GG

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Originally Posted by Arcturius

And the guy who insults my phone typing doesn't punctuate correctly. GG

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Stay on topic.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Stay on topic.

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I like how you say stay on topic when he was first to bring in how smart in English I am. I buy them in mor dona and they give tier III. But yea I'm not sure if you can attain tier IV yet.

ok, since noone is talking about what op was talking about:

you want quicktongue materia?

Well, for starters, try to spiritbond items with the stats for it, gear which has spellspeed on it has a bigger chance than gear that doesnt on it. Oh, and it MUST be caster gear, you wont get quicktongue from chainmail :P

Crafters actually are only needed to attatch it. you guys know that the gear you can use to make convert into this materia is still being sold on vendors right? Mor Dhona merchant: forcing crafters to sell for a minimum price, or else you can buy from this merchant.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Crafters actually are only needed to attatch it. you guys know that the gear you can use to make convert into this materia is still being sold on vendors right? Mor Dhona merchant: forcing crafters to sell for a minimum price, or else you can buy from this merchant.

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HQ gear spiritbonds 50% faster. Vendors don't sell HQ.

Buying from vendors also sucks gil out of the economy faster than the markets ever could.

So, buying from vendors not only wastes your time, but also makes us all much more poor in the long run. GG.

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Originally Posted by Issac

HQ gear spiritbonds 50% faster. Vendors don't sell HQ.

Buying from vendors also sucks gil out of the economy faster than the markets ever could.

So, buying from vendors not only wastes your time, but also makes us all much more poor in the long run. GG.

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No one cares about the economy if they can buy something for cheaper from a NPC than the AH. It forces crafters to sell for less than the NPC, which is completely retarded. High level gear in FFXI cost THOUSANDS of gil from the NPC and it was pretty much NEVER worth buying anything from NPC's past level 15.

No one is going to waste time HQing gear to spiritbind, takes far too much time. You'd be better off just NQing it and doing DD/castrum/dungeons in NQ stuff, actually ends up being less time spent than HQing and spirtbinding in that.

save your frustration and just buy it from MW , its a pain in the rear to get that materia.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

No one cares about the economy if they can buy something for cheaper from a NPC than the AH. It forces crafters to sell for less than the NPC, which is completely retarded. High level gear in FFXI cost THOUSANDS of gil from the NPC and it was pretty much NEVER worth buying anything from NPC's past level 15.

No one is going to waste time HQing gear to spiritbind, takes far too much time. You'd be better off just NQing it and doing DD/castrum/dungeons in NQ stuff, actually ends up being less time spent than HQing and spirtbinding in that.

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No idea what you are talking about. :)
I make full HQ accessory sets in under 5 minutes as needed. It takes 2 CM runs to SB each set. I'm making a killing on materia. Check my lodestone profile if you must, my GSM is 50.

(Also worth noting that I do this with NQ mats. No, I'm serious. Stop looking at me like that.)

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Originally Posted by Supersun

How DARE Crafters have a purpose!

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As a guy who spent almost 200k in leveling and gearing my lvl 50 ARM, I second that!! I should level more crafting professions to lvl 50 just to look at them and not be allowed to make a single gil in the game!

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Originally Posted by Issac

HQ gear spiritbonds 50% faster. Vendors don't sell HQ.

Buying from vendors also sucks gil out of the economy faster than the markets ever could.

So, buying from vendors not only wastes your time, but also makes us all much more poor in the long run. GG.

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thats false.

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Originally Posted by Reika

thats false.

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False? Put on a NQ and HQ ring of the same type and level. Run CM. Check SB values post-run.
How about a little scientific backing before you retort someone with BS.

As a quick aside, I have a lot of experience in this. I have observed for days on end, spiritbonding on crafting, gathering, and battle classes. In every case, HQ items always, always SB'ed faster.

Now my foot is in my mouth about the 50% statistic as that's a rough guesstimate. It might be 33%. In any case, it is most certainly faster SBing HQ gear. Significantly so.

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Originally Posted by Issac

False? Put on a NQ and HQ ring of the same type and level. Run CM. Check SB values post-run.
How about a little scientific backing before you retort someone with BS.

As a quick aside, I have a lot of experience in this. I have observed for days on end, spiritbonding on crafting, gathering, and battle classes. In every case, HQ items always, always SB'ed faster.

Now my foot is in my mouth about the 50% statistic as that's a rough guesstimate. It might be 33%. In any case, it is most certainly faster SBing HQ gear. Significantly so.

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It is indeed faster, though like you, I don't know how much faster. Just wish I could get some Tier IV Crafting/Gathering Materia. Converted like 10+ of the ilvl 55 Wrists, most HQ, and not a single IV.

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Originally Posted by Sentinel

As a guy who spent almost 200k in leveling and gearing my lvl 50 ARM, I second that!! I should level more crafting professions to lvl 50 just to look at them and not be allowed to make a single gil in the game!

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It's easy to do. A tradeskill can be leveled from 1-50 in a day.

I've made tons and tons of gil from the markets selling this very materia. I've materia'd many a piece of gear by doing AK runs where I wear my spiritbonding gear for trash, then switch to my good gear for the boss fights. HQ gear plus +spiritbond items makes for a very fast convert...

hm it is faster by a bit i see, but is it worth triple of what NQ sells for if you sell (as it is being sold on my server), probably not. Not because of the gamble at least. If the stuff at least had that better chance of turning into a higher grade like they said it would then perhaps.

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Originally Posted by Reika

hm it is faster by a bit i see, but is it worth triple of what NQ sells for if you sell (as it is being sold on my server), probably not. Not because of the gamble at least. If the stuff at least had that better chance of turning into a higher grade like they said it would then perhaps.

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You likely have to SB ilvl 55 stuff to get IV Materia, I've gotten IV from Aetheryte Rings so far. An ilvl 50 ring has 0 chance to be IV though. Will always be Tier III. Also, like Issac, I have little issue churning out HQ parts to SB.

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Originally Posted by Reika

hm it is faster by a bit i see, but is it worth triple of what NQ sells for if you sell (as it is being sold on my server), probably not. Not because of the gamble at least. If the stuff at least had that better chance of turning into a higher grade like they said it would then perhaps.

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I turn HQ out like candy. Materia sells faster over here. My eyes are dollar symbols. Do the math. ;)

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Originally Posted by ispano

You likely have to SB ilvl 55 stuff to get IV Materia, I've gotten IV from Aetheryte Rings so far. An ilvl 50 ring has 0 chance to be IV though. Will always be Tier III. Also, like Issac, I have little issue churning out HQ parts to SB.

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I'm aware of that, but the chance is extremely low, close to non-existant. one guy said 30% but I'm sure its much lower. I've converted many ilvl55 gear and haven't gotten a single IV. Its something I'm not going to waste my time continuing to try. With Crystal tower/ilvl80 around the corner, and the ability to get ilvl90 with some courage, it isn't a very good way to spend my time in ARR.

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Originally Posted by Issac

I turn HQ out like candy. Materia sells faster over here. My eyes are dollar symbols. Do the math. ;)

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And if you didn't agree with me, that Darklight Armor would probably be Darksteel armor, and you would be relishing in the awesomeness of your crafted gear. But you arent.... A small % of people bother with the shit, and on legacy servers the only people doing any relishing in the ilvl70 crafted are those who had materials left over from 1.0. You can go play a game of "spot the crafted" and find out who all are actually settling for darklight, which is good enough. And What sells like hotcakes for hot prices is the materia for relic weapons and perhaps vit materia for those casters who want more HP from their lowly crafted rings.

Because of the retarded stat caps, the value of other materia like str materia just isn't there, and crafting and gathering materia, especially gathering materia, just plain takes too damn long to create. They put +1 spiritbond on the best crafted crafter rings, but it still takes forever. Meteor survivor ring, still takes forever. Add patriots choker and wristband, still takes forever. Fact is they slowed down the rate of spiritbonding tremendously, and refused to account for how long crafters and gatherers take to spiritbond before the change. They do things like this.

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Originally Posted by Issac

HQ gear spiritbonds 50% faster. Vendors don't sell HQ.

Buying from vendors also sucks gil out of the economy faster than the markets ever could.

So, buying from vendors not only wastes your time, but also makes us all much more poor in the long run. GG.

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It's 25% faster.

quicktongue III was 80k a pop on behemoth so i powered through goldsmith using leves in a few days time and now i make jewelery that i spirit bond in speed runs and am on the selling end of materia

how easy or difficult you want your life to be is in your own hands

This is stupid imo. If you want crafters to be useful why not let them craft the material itself, why do we need to gimp our selves with crappy gear and grind till our eyes bleed.
It would make much more sense if you could bring the gear from wp/ak to crafter and then he tries to convert it to materia via UI similar to "request melding", not vice versa (buying gear from crafter and converting yourself).

This would solve 2 problems:
1. No more grinding while in crappy gear. Go and kill those monsters dressed in your shiny stuff.
2. Getting stuff in AK/WP would not be as pointless as now with non-sellable, non-convertable loot.