OMG Give us an AOE heal that is not worthless!

Really? Really? My AOE "Succor" heals for a whopping 161 and the lowest hp in the group is 1600 (level 42). This is total crap. It needs to have no shield and have a potency of 600 like WHM or give out fairy another AOE spell.

I'll just leave this here..

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Originally Posted by Alu79

Succor doesn't need a potency buff, but rather a mechanical change. Succor could remain at its current 150 potency heal/shield and work fine if they did something like the next Succor cast on a target that is shielded (from a succor spell) to consume the shield and add the shield value to the new succor's healing that is being cast. In other words say I cast succor and it heals for 200 and shields for 200, casting another succor on a target that has a succor shield up consumes the shield and adds that 200 point shield to the new succors healing to make it look like 200h/200s -> 400h/200s. That would give us the AoE heal we so desperately need while remain unique and different from a WHM.

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If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

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If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

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Same reason they play one now, superior selection of heal spells. Whm have an answer to every situation, SCH don't and that needs to be fixed.

Also, if whm's only play whm's cause they are op/not broken then that is all the more reason to fix sch and bring them up to whm lvl of effectiveness.

So, let me just try to wrap my head around this.

A WHM, who has a superior book of healing spells has that superior book of healing spells because we have enough offensive capability to kill a Sheep, is OP because we excel at exactly one thing: Healing. If we try to do anything more than /ac Aero <tt> we probably just lost our tank.

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A SCH who even though you are a healer, you have the ability to put out a metric ton more DPS than we can, all the while you are still healing because your pet is throwing out heals or you are controlling your pet to throw out heals.


I'm sorry, again, what needs balancing here?

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So, let me just try to wrap my head around this.

A WHM, who has a superior book of healing spells has that superior book of healing spells because we have enough offensive capability to kill a Sheep, is OP because we excel at exactly one thing: Healing. If we try to do anything more than /ac Aero <tt> we probably just lost our tank.

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A SCH who even though you are a healer, you have the ability to put out a metric ton more DPS than we can, all the while you are still healing because your pet is throwing out heals or you are controlling your pet to throw out heals.


I'm sorry, again, what needs balancing here?

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This is really the shittiest grounds for a counterargument I've seen in a while.

I don't know who you're trying to refute, or who even brought up the ability of a healer to kill anything. What you just did is an example of attacking a strawman.

Nothing you presented as a counterargument has anything to do with what anyone said here so far.

Yeah, let's throw the amount of damage a healer can do around in order to balance healing...

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If you had the same heal power of a WHM (who doesn't have a magical unicorn doing extra heals) then why would anyone ever play a WHM?

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Just because one ability gets buffed doesn't mean WHM's will be replaced. Calm down. I will admit this though; OP is crazy for asking that much.

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Originally Posted by Mazdryk1

It needs to have no shield and have a potency of 600 like WHM

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A decent AOE heal would be welcome, but WHMs do not have this. You do know you're asking for something with twice the potency of medica, right?

I love how a whm is saying scholars outdamage whm. It tells me they've yet to discover Holy AoE in cleric stance.

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I love how a whm is saying scholars outdamage whm. It tells me they've yet to discover Holy AoE in cleric stance.

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I don't understand how this became about dmg. And anyway, whm are far more bursty dmg dealers than sch, in fact I think my whm kills way faster than my sch..

Anyway back on topic, Succor is fine as a precast aoe shield, but it simply doesn't fill the role of an aoe heal once dmg has been dealt so something needs to happen.

I'm surprised they didn't keep the relationship that SCH and WHM had from FFXI which was while both had access up to cure IV WHMs had CuragasI-IV (Medicas) and access to Cure V (static enmity and capable of healing large amounts w/o having optimal builds) and Cure VI. SCH had superior Regen and specialized in heal over time and the capability to manipulate a spell's recast MP cost and whether it was single target or AoE in addition to increasing the duration of buffs. I'm mainly surprised since Arcanist specializes in DoTs you'd think the healer variant would be based on HoTs.

I recommend using the guy's idea of having it eat the shield to boost cure amount or give it a innate chance to crit (although that might give way to huge enmity spikes) via trait. I just hope they add "Enhances X ability/Action" gear with decent stats I'm surprised AF is so plain w/ their stats.

I don't know why people complain about it.

You have a 200HP heal and a 200HP shield that's the some potency as Medica1. It has more utility and draws less enmity than White Mage's Medica. If we run into the fray and cast a Medica your best bet we will aggro something, even if it has 0 enmity on us.
Plus you have your fairy, I've seen that thing heal 700Hp. So let's do some maths if I'm almost dead, one heal from the Scholar and then the fairy is close to 1.3k HP heal, then add in the Succor and it adds 200HP and a 200shield. that's 1.9k HP in 4s.

Now look at White Mage, we have Cure which heals like 900HP give or take. the Medica which heals 450 - 600. Your Fairy makes your succor worth it. I'm yet to see a Scholar go below 50% mana in a boss fight, that's with raising people, I raise one person and I've just hindered myself for the rest of the fight unless I pop SoS. I'm just confused on why you want it buffed, I hardly ever see White Mages as it is, I have been denied a spot in a healing role because they rather a Scholar for the fairy, lol.
Out of both the class White Mage needs a slight tune to be up to par with Scholar.

I play both White Mage and Scholar and find both Medica II and Succor extremely useful... remember both of these jobs are best complimented when working together.

I think SCH and WHM are just fine as they are, I've seen them both solo heal Ifrit without any MP issues, and they both have different ways of healing. The WHM does have bigger heals, but also has to monitor their MP more (ie. Keep SoS on CD once you spend some MP) they're able to heal off the big hits without much issue. SCH on the other hand heals for less, but leaves a shield behind to make the next hit less threatening, meanwhile they have a fairy throwing HoTs and heals out for them saving them time, and allowing them to focus on other targets. People really seem to underestimate the power of the Fairies and the Shields when combined. WHM heals off the damage, SCH mitigates the damage, and they work amazingly when paired with each other. The only thing I would change in either class is make the SCH shields stack with each other so Double SCH isn't so painful, and make Fairies smarter, and with the WHM make Cure III not so useless with its AoE Healing.

The issue is too many people trying to play SCH like a WHM. SCHs are not reactive healers, they're proactive protectors. Consider your actual selection of skills, even the ones you're complaining about. If you play like a WHM and try to heal damage already done, then yes a piddly "161 when the lowest HP is 1600" seems worthless. When you realize that you're putting a barrier on ALL PARTY MEMBERS for 161 as well, and that amounts to a total of 644 damage prevented, it adds up. Chain succor on Titan HM helps mitigate a large amount of Tumult's damage (hits for ~700 dmg/pulse normally, hits for 300/pulse with shield). This allow's a WHM's Medica II HoT to practically cover the damage on its own.

So yes, if you fall behind in damage it'll be harder to catch up. The idea is to never fall behind. Be proactive. SCHs are about preventing and mitigating damage. If you try to play one like a WHM, you're gonna have a bad time, and that's not the class's fault, it's you're own.

Cast Succor before an AoE attack, everybody takes reduced dmg which is easier to heal. Maybe get everyone to run into Sacred Soil before the AoE for dmg reduction before it hits.

Dont react like you have Medica II, because we dont.

Learn to use Rouse + Whispering Dawn combo, you know you can control your Faries and what they do right?

Succor is good as it is. I do 300 + 300 shield, and can do AoE Regen/Rouse combo. And even if I need to do this, its usually an 8 man and I'm teamed with a WHM.

You WHM's are hilarious.. You think SCH's are NOT preshielding? These issues are issues BECAUSE preshielding isn't as effective as you seem to think it is. You guys are seriously petty to not want SCH to get some fixes. Pet AI is garbage. Selene is garbage. 2 SCH in a group is garbage. Succor healing values are garbage when you need to top your raid off and whispering dawn is on cd. Getting pet skills locked out when your gcd is active is garbage. Less tools to heal stupid is garbage. Less tools to deal with the unexpected is garbage.

It is one thing to have a niche, but roles like tanking and healing cannot be so niched that it is detrimental. Currently that is what's happening and you guys are closing your eyes and shouting lalalalala because you feel your raid slot will be threatened.. so lets keep an entire class down then getting them fixes. Sad.

I honestly think SCH is fine right now. I've only been doing AK, HM Ifrit and Garuda, but I've done them all at least 10 times each. I like to keep my parser running to check on my performance, and on HM Garuda, I usually end up being 70% of the healing done (including my pet), and I never even come close to running out of MP. However I will agree that Selene has very little use, it's just not worth giving up the extra healing, and we should be able to manage our pet's abilities off of our GCD. Other than that, I've had no issues at all keeping people alive, and I'm loving how we're a pit of endless MP.

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When you do actual serious fights then all this changes. Just like warrior tanks are fine(or even better) for AK ifrit and garuda but becomes jokes compared to pld in harder fights.

To match whm's healing potency sch needs to cast more spells.

I'm a 50 WHM, and just received Succor on my SCH.


I think it's perfectly fine the way it is... It's not meant to be an OMG I NEED TO HEAL EVERYONE IN ONE AOE. No, it's meant to be a cushion, and a way to avoid some dmg from an incoming AoE. A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

You have to learn how to use it. If you see everyone standing in a red circle or know a big boss AoE is coming, use it to prevent some dmg, the use it again to heal them and prevent them from taking more dmg, followed by using Physick/Embrace on them. I have enjoyed this strategic gameplay of SCH vs WHM "OMG UR GONNA DIE I NEED TO HEAL WITH AOE AND DRAW ALL AGGRO" spam.

Also, SCH has like... unlimited MP... lol.

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A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

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This is the problem. Outside of a 150 heal potency cushion, using single target heals is more effective, and efficient when you want to heal off damage from multiple people. You know this, but you don't realize that's a problem that SCH's don't have a reliable AOE heal, and single target healing people one at a time is a SCHs best option unless there's a WHM, then the best option is tell them to cast medica ii, then medica. All it takes is 2 spellcasts for them to accomplish something that would take a SCH at least 4 casts to do. Even more when medica ii ticks with half the time and MP spent.

That 150 heal potency shield+that wopping 10% damage reduction bubble is never the deciding factor of needing a SCH. How does any of that measure up to healing 100% more with the same time and mp compared to a standard medica? Not even counting medica ii, or cure iii. It's almost a guarantee there will be more fights with more AOE damage just like that in any MMO.

Before you spew 'different classes are different', tell me what advantage SCHs have that warrants a nearly total void in their healing kit, because SCH's aren't even half as good as WHM's in AOE healing which is a big deal. Not asking for equality. Asking for an actual AOE heal, because as you yourself said, succor isn't worth casting more than once or twice while we still have a half-dozen injured.

Something like a choice similar to physic vs adloquium for aoes is just missing. SCH's shouldn't recast adloqium if a shield is up already, so there's physic for that. Don't have that choice with AOE heals though.

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1: given how popular they are, and any decent premade group actively looks for at least one, there should always be at least one bard in your 8 mans
2: you shouldn't even need mage's ballad most of the time
3: stop spamming cure ii without freecure procs
4: use shroud of saints
5: if you're running out of MP in a 4 man as a WHM, see #3, and 4, or tell your group to stop being bad and getting hit by stuff they shouldn't get hit by

I'm tired of seeing CNJs use this BS excuse. That goes for all of you saying this same thing.

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You WHM's are hilarious.. You think SCH's are NOT preshielding? These issues are issues BECAUSE preshielding isn't as effective as you seem to think it is. You guys are seriously petty to not want SCH to get some fixes. Pet AI is garbage. Selene is garbage. 2 SCH in a group is garbage. Succor healing values are garbage when you need to top your raid off and whispering dawn is on cd. Getting pet skills locked out when your gcd is active is garbage. Less tools to heal stupid is garbage. Less tools to deal with the unexpected is garbage.

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Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer. That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation. (Titan HM for example.) They are not garbage, my two mains are White mage and Scholar! And I've gotten past titan HM on both because I play them correctly. Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar. If you don't already know what scholar is supposed to do, just look at these abilities. And while YOU are using all these support abilities, you even have support yourself! Your fairy is always helping you out and backing up the party! The only thing we need as scholars now is for pet abilities to be macro-able. 1 scholar and 1 white mage is way more useful on Garuda HM and Titan HM than stacking either of them. They are necessary and relevant and not under powered.

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I'm a 50 WHM, and just received Succor on my SCH.


I think it's perfectly fine the way it is... It's not meant to be an OMG I NEED TO HEAL EVERYONE IN ONE AOE. No, it's meant to be a cushion, and a way to avoid some dmg from an incoming AoE. A heal+shield which gives you enough time for you and your fairy to heal everyone with Physick/Embrace.

You have to learn how to use it. If you see everyone standing in a red circle or know a big boss AoE is coming, use it to prevent some dmg, the use it again to heal them and prevent them from taking more dmg, followed by using Physick/Embrace on them. I have enjoyed this strategic gameplay of SCH vs WHM "OMG UR GONNA DIE I NEED TO HEAL WITH AOE AND DRAW ALL AGGRO" spam.

Also, SCH has like... unlimited MP... lol.

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In my opinion, Succor is best coupled with a Medica II from the white mage in the party. Preventing damage while retroactively recovering it underneath. The other option is Whispering Dawn + Succor but that's more difficult to pull off without macros. Also, sometimes I'd get close to running out of mp on Scholar during Titan HM, but I would just do my best to drain or in a desperate situation ask for a ballad. =)

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Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer.

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That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation.

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You don't need a scholar.

You do always need at least one whitemage.

What is unique to a scholar isn't powerful enough to be the difference between a win and a wipe.

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Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar.

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Virus, eye for and eye, stoneskin, and protect aren't unique to a scholar.

Adloquium is pretty much cure ii that SCHs can't cast for free. Having succor alone as an answer for AOEs is a problem with the way shields work. Not counting whispering down because pet UI needs work and has a minute cooldown for a 21 second HOT with 100 potency (not the SCH's potency either, so it's slightly weaker than you think).

Enough with this on-paper theory crafting. Get in the dang game and get BETTER AT IT.

There's nothing wrong with scholars.

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Enough with this on-paper theory crafting. Get in the dang game and get BETTER AT IT.

There's nothing wrong with scholars.

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How would you feel if you didn't have physic, and couldn't get cure tomorrow? What if adloquium was the only single target heal SCHs had?

There's nothing really wrong with succor itself. Only having succor with the way shields work right now is bad, though.

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Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer.

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Post the link of the devs stating this please. Because if this was even remotely true, guess what, we wouldn't be allowed to q as main heals the same way we couldn't before lvl 30. So if I can q for a specific role, I need the tools to accomplish that, your being carried by a whm is nice and all, but that means absolutely squat.

Again, post the link of the devs saying this please.

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Scholar is a supporting healer, not a main healer. That is why you need one scholar and one white mage in an advanced situation. (Titan HM for example.) They are not garbage, my two mains are White mage and Scholar! And I've gotten past titan HM on both because I play them correctly. Scared Soil, Virus, Adloquium, Succor, Eye for an Eye, access to Stone Skin and Protect, and Fey Covenant. All these abilities retroactively prevent damage. All these are accessible by every scholar. If you don't already know what scholar is supposed to do, just look at these abilities. And while YOU are using all these support abilities, you even have support yourself! Your fairy is always helping you out and backing up the party! The only thing we need as scholars now is for pet abilities to be macro-able. 1 scholar and 1 white mage is way more useful on Garuda HM and Titan HM than stacking either of them. They are necessary and relevant and not under powered.

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"Warrior is support tank, not main tank". We know where this BS argument goes.

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The issue is too many people trying to play SCH like a WHM.

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So yes, if you fall behind in damage it'll be harder to catch up. The idea is to never fall behind. Be proactive. SCHs are about preventing and mitigating damage. If you try to play one like a WHM, you're gonna have a bad time, and that's not the class's fault, it's you're own.

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IMHO, this post pretty much sums it up. Once I stopped playing SCH as a WHM, I started having less troubles keeping people's hp up. Succor/Adloquium before the battle sets up a barrier that lets you pause your healing thus not generating enmity in the initial phase when the tank is still grabbing aggro. Too many adds? Sacred Soil, Rouse and Eye for an Eye. Not to mention you get a 20% chance for a free Succor with it, which also makes it an ideal tool if the party takes unexpected damage.



Succor -> Physick on targets that need it most + fairy healing -> Succor has saved my life more times than I can count already.

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Adloquium is pretty much cure ii that SCHs can't cast for free. Having succor alone as an answer for AOEs is a problem with the way shields work.

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Considering the insane MP generation abilities, you hardly need a free Cure II. You do get Succor for free if you cast Sacred Soil though. Pre-cast that before an AoE and you get a 10% damage reduction + shields. Of course you can only cast it 3 times in a row, but that's what strategy is for.

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You don't need a scholar.

You do always need at least one whitemage.

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Two WHMs are more likely to run out of MP than a WHM and a SCH. Once they do, you wipe. A SCH won't run out of MP, and will save MP for the WHM in the process.

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"Warrior is support tank, not main tank". We know where this BS argument goes.

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Do we? Remeber WAR being the main tank and PLD sulking in a corner? Now it's the opposite. Depending on balancing, that might change again. So might SCH vs WHM

I'd be fine with scholar granted they fixed the way pets work and shorter cd on the pet aoe heal.

Allow pet skills to be assigned in a macro, and the wow style right click to disable autocasting. If the pet aoe heal had like a 30-40 second cooldown, we could reliably use it with succor. We sould still not be as good as a whm in terms of aoe healing, but we could manage.

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How would you feel if you didn't have physic, and couldn't get cure tomorrow? What if adloquium was the only single target heal SCHs had?

There's nothing really wrong with succor itself. Only having succor with the way shields work right now is bad, though.

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What are you going on about? I am a scholar and I'm saying there's nothing wrong.

If you can't clear stuff, that's on you - not your job.

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Considering the insane MP generation abilities, you hardly need a free Cure II.

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Never said SCHs do.

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You do get Succor for free if you cast Sacred Soil though.

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20% chance.

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Pre-cast that before an AoE and you get a 10% damage reduction + shields. Of course you can only cast it 3 times in a row, but that's what strategy is for.

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30 second recast time. 15 second effect. Costs one lustrate/energy drain. Tied to atherflow's minute long cooldown

Don't make it sound like it can be spammed for free with no opportunity cost.

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Two WHMs are more likely to run out of MP than a WHM and a SCH. Once they do, you wipe. A SCH won't run out of MP, and will save MP for the WHM in the process.

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I heard bards are extremely popular, and people like to have at least 2. This isn't an excuse.

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What are you going on about? I am a scholar and I'm saying there's nothing wrong.

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That doesn't make you right. I could just point out the pet UI needs to be fixed and that throws a wrench in your 'there's nothing wrong' argument.

The point I'm making is succor is fine. Shields are fine. Not having an alternative to succor with how shield mechanics are isn't fine. I shouldn't have to explain to you why given this. Having only succor is like casting adloquium on someone with a stronger shield on anyway; you're wasting half of the spell, MP, and time in general.

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If you can't clear stuff, that's on you - not your job.

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So a L2p is the best you can fall back on rather than talk about it? Classy.

...blast me all you want but your argument is nothing more than your complaints about a class that isn't gimped.

I'm assuming it's because you can't clear content. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you are spending time complaining about a class you aren't having a problem with.

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...blast me all you want but your argument is nothing more than your complaints about a class that isn't gimped.

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Yeah I shouldn't demand better of product when there are flawed details. Ok.

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I'm assuming it's because you can't clear content. Otherwise, I'm not sure why you are spending time complaining about a class you aren't having a problem with.

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See above.

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Yeah I shouldn't demand better of product when there are flawed details. Ok.



See above.

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When it's "good enough" - it's called BALANCE. You just seem to want some OP character. That's a shame.

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When it's "good enough" - it's called BALANCE.

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You just seem to want some OP character. That's a shame.

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I doubt I should even give this a response.

I can't say i wouldnt mind a buff on our shield heals. That being said i am capable of healing relatively well even if it isnt as much as a whm. It takes more skill and more micromanagement to heal as well as a whm on a scholar.

Hm obviously SCH is not for everyone.
Which is good. I hope all the frustrated ones roll a WHM.

A good discussion here - lets keep it at that, i do tend to see that there is disagreement among Scholars whether its needed or not - I would like to try and give a perspective from a WHM (flame away!)

I group regularly with a Scholar, I am up to Titan HM (havent quite managed to get him yet) - and so am not in Coil yet.

I think the partnership with a Scholar is super aligned - I would MUCH rather team up with a Scholar than a WHM, and I think thats how it should be - when the 2 classes work together they work brilliantly.

If the DPS/raid is taking a lot of hits, I usually pop a regen on the maintank and focus on everyone else - Scholar keeps MT going while i go around the raid with heals - typically single targets - if things get too tough, I pop a medica - and if scholar has time, he usually pops a Succor.

But where it really counts are the big AoE's - again I think the 2 jobs complement eachother - pre-AoE when people assemble scholar pops the bubble and the succor - right after the AoE I pop Medica II and Medica I (if needed) - while scholar shields up and preps MT for the hits coming in.

Now to a point that I do agree in.
2x WHMs would probably have an easier time than 2x SCH on many of these fights - but I don't think thats a just indication of power - the WHMs spells allows for better fixing of emergencies, while the SCH spells ensures emergencies are kept to a minimum.

I think they should be seen in the light of working together or standign alone (AKA 4man).

Also I would like to remind you that Medica is potency 300 (if your heal is 150 and shield 150 - isn't that the same?) - now while I know Medica 2 on the other hand is more powerful, thats where I believe the Fairy makes up for it for Scholars.

Just some input.

Scholar's don't need buffs or mechanical changes. Succor is fine the way it is because our faeries compliment our healing power very well, in theory. Which leads me to the only change that Scholar's require, better management of our faeries. Once Scholar's are able to tell their Faerie to use Whisper and tell her when to case Embrace while the Scholar is casting, that'll allow the Scholar to see their real healing power. The way it is right now, the Scholar feels weak because a large portion of their healing power is basically uncontrollable.

That's all that's needed really.

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Also I would like to remind you that Medica is potency 300 (if your heal is 150 and shield 150 - isn't that the same?)

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In theory yes, but in practice, casting consecutive succors while people are still shielded is a huge waste of mp due to shield mechanics, and no alternative like what physick is to adloquium, so it's more efficient to single target heal after 1-2 succors since half of the spells value goes down the drain if someone is already shielded.

That's when it becomes half of a medica for the same MP cost, and time to cast, costing twice the MP, and time to accomplish the same healing since shields don't stack.

Yes the OP is crazy for asking for 600 potency.

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- now while I know Medica 2 on the other hand is more powerful, thats where I believe the Fairy makes up for it for Scholars.

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Well the fairy still doesn't make up for the strength of medica 2, but I'm not saying it should. I do belive WHMs should keep their medica ii, and cure iii unique.

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Where are you getting your numbers from? Faeries don't heal that high. I'm a 50 SCH and my faerie doesn't do 1.3k heals it does less than physick around 600hp without a crit. On top of which why use medica? Medica 2 is better. That 100 CP is per tick not over all therefore medica 2 (one use) is superior to succor. Don't forget regen also heals more than cure1/physick. Once again the CP is per tick. Where as the shield is ALWAYS what you heal for unless you crit and no SCH, I have seen well geared, crits often. Besides Cure 3 is an often forgotten spell and can heal for more than succor plus faerie easy.