Square take advantage of your amazing world you created for endgame!

I think its such a shame how end-game is setup right now. We are farming the same two dungeons over and over again for currency, trying to play the system and skipping mobs, and ignoring literally almost 95% of the world they created!

Give us a reason to go back into the world for Tomes! Perhaps offer a small amount in FATES, or create new level 50 LEVES out in the world for us to do and get tombs out of.

Make use of the dungeons you created! Add a "Hardmode" for every dungeon that yields tombstones so that we get more variety!

Most importantly make killing trash mobs in dungeons WORTH KILLING so everyone is not trying to play the system and skip as much as possible. Have them drop decent Gil, maybe 2-5 tombs per monster or pack, just something to actually justify killing them! This is an MMO, incentive and reward is the driving force of the genre.

Please Square consider this for the next Patch or the future!

EDIT: A great idea suggested was a Merit system, or beyond 50 level progression. Each new "Level" would yield a stat point to allocate, giving us incentive to level up, do other content, and continue progression. Seeing that bar fill up is a basic love in RPGs, bring it back :)

Bump for great justice!

That all makes sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Wiggles

I think its such a shame how end-game is setup right now. We are farming the same two dungeons over and over again for currency, trying to play the system and skipping mobs, and ignoring literally almost 95% of the world they created!

Give us a reason to go back into the world for Tombs! Perhaps offer a small amount in FATES, or create new level 50 LEVES out in the world for us to do and get tombs out of.

Make use of the dungeons you created! Add a "Hardmode" for every dungeon that yields tombstones so that we get more variety!

Most importantly make killing trash mobs in dungeons WORTH KILLING so everyone is not trying to play the system and skip as much as possible. Have them drop decent Gil, maybe 2-5 tombs per monster or pack, just something to actually justify killing them! This is an MMO, incentive and reward is the driving force of the genre.

Please Square consider this for the next Patch or the future!

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1)ok, but these fate would have a long repop due the answer 3
2)already planned
3)trash mob are trash because they are..trash. even 1-2 tombstone per mob mean a huge flood of tombstones and that would broken the obtaining of darklight gear. To counter this, all the prices for darklight would have to be raised accordling, making this change absolutelly worthless. Gil is the same, even 2 gil per mob when common item cost even 4 gil each mean big inflation.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

1)ok, but these fate would have a long repop due the answer 3
2)already planned
3)trash mob are trash because they are..trash. even 1-2 tombstone per mob mean a huge flood of tombstones and that would broken the obtaining of darklight gear. To counter this, all the prices for darklight would have to be raised accordling, making this change absolutelly worthless. Gil is the same, even 2 gil per mob when common item cost even 4 gil each mean big inflation.

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If the market changes so be it I say. It just feels wrong to have all these plans and tactics to skip mobs. Why not give us reason to kill them?! 2-5 tombs per monster or even per pack is not unreasonable and would not have a big an impact as you imply. There is no PVP afterall, so if someone gets something a little faster it really does not effect you at all.

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If the market changes so be it I say.It just feels wrong to have all these plans and tactics to skip mobs. Why not give us reason to kill them?! 2-5 tombs per monster or even per pack is not unreasonable and would not have a big an impact as you imply. There is no PVP afterall, so if someone gets something a little faster it really does not effect you at all.

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This is short sight friend.
"If the market changes so be it I say"= destroying the market for nothing. There's no way a crafter would be happy to have his market destroyed because you need a reason to kill trash mobs.
Second, "if someone gets something a little faster it really does not effect you at all" mean everyone will get bored sooner as intended. The faster content they can release is only every 2-3 months. If you make the acquisition of token too fast people will cap everything way before new content will be released, they'll got bored and quit the game before every patch, like WoW with his monumental times to release a new raid. That's because there's farming and roadblocks around the road: they are there to give people a reason to play meanwhile content is been created, and it's very important for the well-being of the game. There's simply no way they would destroy something so delicated because you have to kill some trash. There are other way to do it.

Need hard mode versions of all 4 man dungeons :\

I believe they are planning to add Hard Mode Dungeon to previous Dungeon. However, your suggestion is good because we need more way to earn Tombstone. Make it drop Tombstone in the Hard Mode of all Dungeon and make all Mob level 50 and Boss more Challenging is a good ideas. I see many game are doing this now because it a great way to re - use the content, and not make it a one time thing.

I feel the only way to make it work is previous Dungeon drop Tombs because if you are already Cap there is no motivation to do it. Also, it make the que less, less stress on the server, and more variety to earn it instead of spamming the Dungeon 300 times because people will quit because it is way too tedious.

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If the market changes so be it I say. It just feels wrong to have all these plans and tactics to skip mobs. Why not give us reason to kill them?! 2-5 tombs per monster or even per pack is not unreasonable and would not have a big an impact as you imply. There is no PVP afterall, so if someone gets something a little faster it really does not effect you at all.

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First. PVP is CONFIRMED and being added. So yes there is PVP and it will effect it. Greatly.

What could be an idea is that at 50 you get a new 'experience bar' that would give you a reason to collect xp as when you leveled it up it could reward x amount of tomes.

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What could be an idea is that at 50 you get a new 'experience bar' that would give you a reason to collect xp as when you leveled it up it could reward x amount of tomes.

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Or do it like in FFXI when you cap you get Merit points, for every level you get a bonus one point to add to any status. Not only make it a great end game, but encourage level 50 to keep going. Right now, once you Cap you basically done and you will never revisited old Dungeon or Fates anymore.

Completely agree with the OP

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Or do it like in FFXI when you cap you get Merit points, for every level you get a bonus one point to add to any status. Not only make it a great end game, but encourage level 50 to keep going. Right now, once you Cap you basically done and you will never revisited old Dungeon or Fates anymore.

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Thats a great idea as well! Diablo 3 has a "paragon" system. After capping at level 60 you gain 100 additional Paragon levels. Each one offers a small stat boost as well as magic and gold find.

Im not saying Square do that, but I do like the idea of extra levels to gain small advantages to our stats. Maybe we could get extra attribute points and some Tombstones to spend each level.

I agree I would like the return of the Merit system. I will never deny it made me sink many hours into my character.

It wasnt extra levels Wiggles. You got a merit point every 10,000 EXP. You spent an increasing amount to up stuff. You also had a limit in each area.

For example in the Attribute area you could level up any stat you wanted but you only had a total ability to do so eight times. So you could dump all eight into str, or 4 into str and 4 into vit. And it would cost like 1, 2, 6, 10, 20 etc

Like wise there was a section for Weapon Skills, Defensive Skills, Class Unique Merits Group 1 and 2. etc.

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I agree I would like the return of the Merit system. I will never deny it made me sink many hours into my character.

It wasnt extra levels Wiggles. You got a merit point every 10,000 EXP. You spent an increasing amount to up stuff. You also had a limit in each area.

For example in the Attribute area you could level up any stat you wanted but you only had a total ability to do so eight times. So you could dump all eight into str, or 4 into str and 4 into vit. And it would cost like 1, 2, 6, 10, 20 etc

Like wise there was a section for Weapon Skills, Defensive Skills, Class Unique Merits Group 1 and 2. etc.

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I really like that concept. The more incentive we have to continue leveling the better!

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First. PVP is CONFIRMED and being added. So yes there is PVP and it will effect it. Greatly.

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Actually, PvP will not be effected, because PvP will have its own gear and skills.

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What could be an idea is that at 50 you get a new 'experience bar' that would give you a reason to collect xp as when you leveled it up it could reward x amount of tomes.

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I kinda like that.

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Or do it like in FFXI when you cap you get Merit points, for every level you get a bonus one point to add to any status. Not only make it a great end game, but encourage level 50 to keep going. Right now, once you Cap you basically done and you will never revisited old Dungeon or Fates anymore.

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Or they could at least let us fill up the exp bar because they said they ARE going to raise the lvl cap, not for a good while, but it is gonna happen. So there is no point in adding merits just yet, i thnk Yoshi said he was probably going to raise the cap for the 1st expansion? but he also said that's not gonna be for a good 2 years or so.

I agree completely

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Actually, PvP will not be effected, because PvP will have its own gear and skills.

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If the market changes so be it I say. It just feels wrong to have all these plans and tactics to skip mobs. Why not give us reason to kill them?! 2-5 tombs per monster or even per pack is not unreasonable and would not have a big an impact as you imply. There is no PVP afterall, so if someone gets something a little faster it really does not effect you at all.

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First. PVP is CONFIRMED and being added. So yes there is PVP and it will effect it. Greatly.

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Actually, PvP will not be effected, because PvP will have its own gear and skills.

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Affect.

On topic, I really like the idea of gaining additional "levels" for additional bonus points.

I wouldn't mind a small amount of tomes for special mission from the GC, nothing huge but some variety wouldn't go amiss.

It's been a few weeks and people are already complaining about the monotony of AK, its not a good sign.

Its really a shame because they created such a beautiful world and great dungeons. I really hope they consider these ideas. A part of me wishes they do not because if the game gets that much variety and extra fun/progression I fear I might not log off! :P

PLEASE YES DO THIS DO THESE THINGS

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This is short sight friend.
"If the market changes so be it I say"= destroying the market for nothing. There's no way a crafter would be happy to have his market destroyed because you need a reason to kill trash mobs.

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Where have you been? The market has been destroyed for crafters since 2.0 launched. There is no reason to even craft right now other then the relic stuff/melds currently.

And where do you get that vendor things are 4g? Gear for spiritbonds for the tier 3 materia is over 4k each piece when most of the materia doesn't even sell for that so you lose money trying to get the materia you need for your relic quest. Or you could buy the materia for 40k+ each since those are the only ones that sell for insane amounts.

Adding in gil for trash I agree with. I agree with HMs for all the dungeons to spread out people and unclog the instance servers so we don't have 1-2 hr Q times with a full party. I don't agree with tomes on trash although. Maybe like the few big guys giving 1-2 tomes is ok but for the most part gear should be some type of a farm. Meaning run the dungeons. A lot. Hell I'd even prefer it to be all drop gear and have the tome gear be a little weaker then the drops

Yeah, this has been a stupid problem of online games since I've ever played them. You create this whole world and then stuff people into 1 room. It's just counter-intuitive. Gotta think outside the box, but maybe that is too much to ask.

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We are farming the same two dungeons over and over again for currency

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Not trying to flame you here but you say the dungeons aren't making you any gil but you are farming them for gil? And isn't doing the same dungeon over and over till you can do it autopilot kindof the same as crafting or gathering to actually make gil?

people wanted a wow clone.

here you hav it.

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First. PVP is CONFIRMED and being added. So yes there is PVP and it will effect it. Greatly.

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Hehehe. Can you imagine if you stole 2-5 tomes from the players you kill? Imagine the RAGE.

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Not trying to flame you here but you say the dungeons aren't making you any gil but you are farming them for gil? And isn't doing the same dungeon over and over till you can do it autopilot kindof the same as crafting or gathering to actually make gil?

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I was referring to Tombstones which are under "currency" in FFXIV :)

Bump! This really needs to be seen!

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Or do it like in FFXI when you cap you get Merit points, for every level you get a bonus one point to add to any status. Not only make it a great end game, but encourage level 50 to keep going. Right now, once you Cap you basically done and you will never revisited old Dungeon or Fates anymore.

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I slightly disagree with this, on the basis that you can still run FATEs for company seals and a bit of pocket change, and there are FATEs that drop items, like minions. Plus that upcoming FATE that will give the FFXIII gear.

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I slightly disagree with this, on the basis that you can still run FATEs for company seals and a bit of pocket change, and there are FATEs that drop items, like minions. Plus that upcoming FATE that will give the FFXIII gear.

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That FFXIII gear will it be vanity? I hate getting stuff I cant wear to battle...

PEOPLE its TOMES....TOMESTONES!! NOT TOMBSTONES!

Im sorry but for some wierd reason it really annoys me how everyone calls them tombstones.

These are the kind of threads I actually can get behind. Not random QQ, just quality suggestions with solid logical foundations for fixing problems. +1 OP.

The merit idea also reminds me about EQ with alternate advanced (AA) points. I forget the level you can start earning AA's but basically you had 2 xp bars and you can put 100% into normal xp or split xp up between normal xp and AA xp. But the AAs werent just put into str, int and what not but also towards things like increase crit damage or increase how often you crit. and you needed 3 AAs for the first level 6 for the 2nd and 9 for the 3rd. also added some new abilities this way as well. be nice to see something like this added to the game

Market? What Market? The market is complete trash right now, a change would be welcome.

lol i tried 2 pull some mobs that we didn'r need 2 kill and i immediately got hated on badly. good thing im a tank and they have no choice. sry dont like playing with me? go re que for 40 min.

Like and bump

Also, what happened to beatmen strongholds? I remember in 1.0 each stronghold had a lot more tough monsters and a boss at the end of them. I went into the Amalja one the other day and there was like 3 regular monsters at the end.... There's more potential wasted.

Took the words right out of my mouth. Eorzea is such a beautiful world, its a shame that after hitting 50 people basically just stay in 1 spot and hit AK queue. Sure it is their / our choice to do so no one is forcing us but its the only way to farm the tomes. I don't want to think that the world is only for 1-49. I know there's odin, World primal fights, Behemoth and such but I'm just hoping there's more. Give a reason to spread the people out take advantage of the wonderful world that you have made. In regards to trash mobs in dungeons I've been pondering on what the possible things that could be done with them.

Making them drop gil, weapon or even tomes is out it will just ruin the economy. Maybe add their drops to more valuable recipes but make them (esp HQ one) extremely rare. Say one part of the recipe can be found in X dungeon while the other of the same recipe in Y. Just throwing out ideas here. Although people will always find ways to skip / hasten dungeons there's really not much that can be done. If you're going to add tomestones to say hard mode of previous dungeons balance it well. Length vs Amount otherwise people will just find the new "AK" and farm that one crazy. Give green gears like Hetarois complete set bonus then spread them out across dungeons. Just another reason to spread people out. For now thats all I got but please use the world and give the dungeons sitters a reason to explore, not a bad idea right...