Direction of FFXIV?

Hi.

I was just curious as to what the direction of FFXIV is. The reason I ask is that with the addition of quest hubs, is it SE's intention to make FFXIV more of a quest-oriented progression system?

Is it their intention to make the game less grind-driven?

With instances, is it their intention to make content centered around gear-grind as opposed to more player-driven content like previously slated Player Company housing and ships?

What is the overall scope, if any, or is SE merely content to implement one thing at a time and see where it gets them?

I suppose I am left wondering what their main vision is, and what motivates them to release one feature over another. What is their design philosophy? Over-arching goals? Intentions? Where do their priorities lie and how did they arrive at those priorities?

I think these questions need to be addressed so players can have some mildly tangible idea of where the game is going, even if they don't know exactly how SE intends to take us there.

I damn well hope so, I have been asking for quest hubs for ages.

Thankyou Yoshi-p ^^

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Originally Posted by Vesperia

Hi.

I was just curious as to what the direction of FFXIV is. The reason I ask is that with the addition of quest hubs, is it SE's intention to make FFXIV more of a quest-oriented progression system?

Is it their intention to make the game less grind-driven?

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Not if the quests in the outposts gives the same rewards like the mini quests
I don't believe SE would put quests with high SP rewards in the game. More gears, gils and items as rewards. And of course storys as rewards too ^^

I think SE's direction is you should be able to log-in and have something to do at all time. Whether it be Guildleves, Tasks, Side-quests, Dungeons, NMs, and etc.

casual friendly bastard

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Originally Posted by Felis

Not if the quests in the outposts gives the same rewards like the mini quests
I don't believe SE would put quests with high SP rewards in the game. More gears, gils and items as rewards.

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If they do something like that then SE already failed. Sorry but quest grinding is so last generation. Every new mmo is trying dynamic content, dynamic dialogs/world and things like that. Adding "kill 10 this, kill 5 that" quests won't make this game successful. I guess we have to wait and see but sometimes I think japanese developers should be forced to play other games. They live in the past and have no idea how world changed around them.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

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Originally Posted by Quisi

If they do something like that then SE already failed. Sorry but quest grinding is so last generation. Every new mmo is trying dynamic content, dynamic dialogs/world and things like that. Adding "kill 10 this, kill 5 that" quests won't make this game successful. I guess we have to wait and see but sometimes I think japanese developers should be forced to play other games. They live in the past and have no idea how world changed around them.

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I talked about the quest rewards, not the quest structures.
You can't grind with quests when you get no SP from quests.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

I think SE's direction is you should be able to log-in and have something to do at all time. Whether it be Guildleves, Tasks, Side-quests, Dungeons, NMs, and etc.

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I think that's always a good approach to have. But, in saying that, there are juat so many ways of implementing "a bunch of things to do" so it doesn't really add a lot of clarity to the discussion.

I hope the direction is 'awesome' I have no other request :D

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I think that's always a good approach to have. But, in saying that, there are juat so many ways of implementing "a bunch of things to do" so it doesn't really add a lot of clarity to the discussion.

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True, it doesn't add much clarity but we don't have much to go on anyway. The only thing we truly have is Yoshi-P saying he wants to improve party play but doesn't want people losing game time by waiting on parties.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

True, it doesn't add much clarity but we don't have much to go on anyway. The only thing we truly have is Yoshi-P saying he wants to improve party play but doesn't want people losing game time by waiting on parties.

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I think when Tanaka was in charge it was more:

Massively multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

Now with Yoshi it is more:

Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I think when Tanaka was in charge it was more:

Massively multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

Now with Yoshi it is more:

Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game

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So which one do you think is better? Oh yeah you should enlarge and bold Role Playing for Yoshi, considering he's implementing class and rank gear, also he's also creating more distinctions between the classes.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

So which one do you think is better? Oh yeah you should enlarge and bold Role Playing for Yoshi, considering he's implementing class and rank gear, also he's also creating more distinctions between the classes.

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That's more like role-imposing than role-playing (classicaly speaking).

And I would never presume to know which is better. It's a value judgment anyway, not a factuality. People like different things. And different people will prefer one over the other.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

That's more like role-imposing than role-playing (classicaly speaking).

And I would never presume to know which is better. It's a value judgment anyway, not a factuality. People like different things. And different people will prefer one over the other.

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I just wanted to know which one you prefer. That's all, if you don't want to answer I understand. But you're right, to each their own.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

I just wanted to know which one you prefer. That's all, if you don't want to answer I understand. But you're right, to each their own.

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I personally prefer the first of the two options, but even so, such a concept can still be implemented in a way which I would disagree with. For example, FFXIV was rather bad upon release even though I liked the overall scope. I put up with the issues because I saw potential in the game when and if those issues could be resolved.

However, it's a different story nowadays. Now that the game seems directed toward Option B, I have to say I'm less excited about the future of the game, but I think I could still find enjoyment in it, maybe.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

I personally prefer the first of the two options, but even so, such a concept can still be implemented in a way which I would disagree with. For example, FFXIV was rather bad upon release even though I liked the overall scope. I put up with the issues because I saw potential in the game when and if those issues could be resolved.

However, it's a different story nowadays. Now that the game seems directed toward Option B, I have to say I'm less excited about the future of the game, but I think I could still find enjoyment in it, maybe.

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Ah ok, now I see. Well, when the changes are over and things settle down, hopefully you'll find something new that will draw you in and keep you playing.

I think those new camps are for the new Hamlet Defence system that's coming. They said they were making new camps for it. I think it will be like Campaign from FFXI where we fight for the territory, when it's in our control we have our camp on it, when the beastmen have it then it will be there camp.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Ah ok, now I see. Well hopefully when the changes are over and things settle down, hopefully you'll find something new that will draw you in and keep you playing.

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Well it's not like anyone even knows where the fuck SE is taking FFXIV anyway. Im not even sure if THEY know. They are so confused by the mixed messages players are sending them. And the bad release has affected them, forced them to second-guess every single one of their ideas. Basically theyve just started pandering to the status quo, rather than trying to innovate. But that's besde the point anyway, and now im just rambling.

To get back on track, however, I should like to say that SE really needs to address threads like this one. If not for players, then at least for themselves.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I think those new camps are for the new Hamlet Defence system that's coming. They said they were making new camps for it. I think it will be like Campaign from FFXI where we fight for the territory, when it's in our control we have our camp on it, when the beastmen have it then it will be there camp.

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Are you sure? Those new camps seem a little small to have a major battle over. Maybe there will be multiple mini camps in an area and we will have to run back and forth between them to dispel the beastmen.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

I think those new camps are for the new Hamlet Defence system that's coming. They said they were making new camps for it. I think it will be like Campaign from FFXI where we fight for the territory, when it's in our control we have our camp on it, when the beastmen have it then it will be there camp.

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Sweet. "Kill x mob quests" just got a whole new meaning. Now "kill x mobs" is replaced by "Kill 4982349827492 beastmen".

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Are you sure? Those new camps seem a little small to have a major battle over. Maybe there will be multiple mini camps in an area and we will have to run back and forth between them to dispel the beastmen.

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That's how I interpreted it too. Imagine if beastmen came from there tribes to these little encampments and had a fight, and we had to help fend them off. They did say they wanted roaming beastmen in that list from Letter From the Producer III.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Are you sure? Those new camps seem a little small to have a major battle over. Maybe there will be multiple mini camps in an area and we will have to run back and forth between them to dispel the beastmen.

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It was the same in FFXI you had a little fort in most cases and the beastmen would come and try and take it you would fight them off before they got to the camp. The camp would have a kind of HP and the if the beastmen got through they would attack the camp and when it's bar became empty they would take control. Same worked the other way around for players to take the beastmen camps.

You can't have "level up" quets in this game. Those are in 1 character 1 class games. These hubs will prob be similar to the mini locations where you do quests at. Kinda like selbina. Or like those quests in campaign. They just adding more places to add more quest to liven up the game.

I'd agree with Kilta. Unless they do something crazily drastic and remove the ability to level anything but one single class, most of the content is going to have to be repeatable - at least to some extent. I haven't played Final Fantasy XI, but I like the sound of defending against the enemy with the chance to 'lose out', be it Beast tribes or Garleans or the Star Marmot Army.

The short lived Tabula Rasa had bases you defended against the enemy alongside other players, and that was probably the best thing about it - working together towards a common goal, without the need to worry about organisation *too* much, but with a nice community building aspect about it.

I don't understand why we can't lvl up with quests in this game? Imo those quest hubs will be the same as in other games. You do a quest.. kill 10 rats, you get 500 exp. Rinse and repeat > move to the next quest hub. At least that's what I think it will be and everyone will be disappointed by that. The thing is nobody will do those if they will give some useless rewards, then their whole work would be wasted.

Their direction is clearly to make this game like every other MMO on the market, hopefully I'm completely wrong in every way possible, we shall see.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Their direction is clearly to make this game like every other MMO on the market, hopefully I'm completely wrong in every way possible, we shall see.

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Yeah, the direction the MAJORITY of players want it to go.

Why? You can go play rift, a much better game at doing that.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Why? You can go play rift, a much better game at doing that.

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Maybe because I don't like Rift's art style or plot?

There is one problem with copying WoW. You can't outwow wow from wow. XP If you want to compete with older games which have 100 times more variety and content you have to show up some new ideas. A lot of games tried and all failed. Even SE won't be able to do that at least not in the west. They probably will get some players in japan.

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Originally Posted by Quisi

There is one problem with copying WoW. You can't outwow wow from wow. XP If you want to compete with older games which have 100 times more variety and content you have to show up some new ideas. A lot of games tried and all failed. Even SE won't be able to do that at least not in the west. They probably will get some players in japan.

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And that's why Rift copied them and people say they're doing successful.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

And that's why Rift copied them and people say they're doing successful.

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Check out Rift in 3-4 months and see if they still have as many players as they have. Besides they actually tried to add something new.. you know.. rifts and all this dynamic content?

Rift is really failing at balancing stuff and they have no idea what they're doing when it comes to balance either, it's like they're playing a completely different version of the game, and I don't mean a beta/alpha version lol.

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Originally Posted by Quisi

Check out Rift in 3-4 months and see if they still have as many players as they have. Besides they actually tried to add something new.. you know.. rifts and all this dynamic content?

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Well I doubt they will have as many players considering most people quit one MMO and move on to another after a few months. I don't know much about Rift, but the rifts that open up seems very similar to campaign. i.e. having to expel some enemy force.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Well I doubt they will have as many players considering most people quit one MMO and move on to another after a few months. I don't know much about Rift, but the rifts that open up seems very similar to campaign. i.e. having to expel some enemy force.

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That's because people "beat" these MMOs in a month then move on. MMOs don't have lasting or staying power anymore for anything but a very casual gamer, or if you're lucky and make really good friends before you beat it.

i think alot of people got this game because it was not wow nor xi, but the direction of the game is right back there. some will return, but more will leave. if you got it because you wanted it to be either game you did not read how it was originally advertised. i read it quite well before i got it. they specifically stated it would be unlike other mmo's, but yoshi is making it exactly like them now.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

i think alot of people got this game because it was not wow nor xi, but the direction of the game is right back there. some will return, but more will leave. if you got it because you wanted it to be either game you did not read how it was originally advertised. i read it quite well before i got it. they specifically stated it would be unlike other mmo's, but yoshi is making it exactly like them now.

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Exactly! >_< We also have soooo many MMOs that are alike, it's lame, we need different MMOs for once, I mean cmon, please? This was really non-WOW clone gamers last hope, and we're losing our last hope more and more everday.

I completely agree with darkstarpoet1 and Shiyo. I bought this game recently despite bad reviews b/c I wanted this different feeling. Let's hope devs actually have some vision for this game. I still believe, at least until Tera/Archage/Guild Wars 2 release. =P

Well this MMO was pretty different from the rest and most people didn't like it. We have market wards which most people don't like, no sort of class definition which most people don't like, having to get your quests at one area which most people don't like, having a non auto-attack battle system which most people don't like and etc. Now I don't agree with some like market wards and auto-attack, but SE tried and they failed. It could be that they released it too early, but I don't know. Personally I like the direction of this FFXI WoW mix they're doing.