People charging for clears TITAN HARD MODE and more....

Is it only on my server or is this everywhere? People charing other people for clears on a dungeon. Now I Can not tell who is legit anymore . :( Shame on you if you buy it too.

They were charging because they were exploiting, that has been fixed.

Nah its still going man. Free companies are charging people for clears like Chimera , hydra, Titan Hard , and Garuda hard.

That's pretty normal. There were people charging for Garuda clears in 1.0. It happens in every MMO.

I see nothing wrong with charging for services ingame player to player it happens in just about EVERY MMO
example in GW1 players ran low level players across all Tyria for coin and Anet didn't seem too mind I don't
see SE wasting much effort on this...one day it's Titan next day is the acquisition of weapons SO WHAT mind
your own biz and play the game how you want and let people play how they want.

I don't see a problem with this as long as it's an in-game currency/item exchange. It's like hiring a mercenary group to help you.

I don't see a problem with this either..
I mean, people are charging you for crafting as well, even if you bring them every single material needed.

So, why would it not be OK for a group of people who can flawlessly do Titan (or any other boss for that matter) to charge a random person who wishes to clear it as well? It's not like you're needed for them to clear it after all, they could probably fill that last spot in the party with a fellow FC member you know.

I been in a linkshell that used to sell dungeon runs.

When I joined this linkshell I made it clear I would not help them with it. I was more against it then than I am now.

Now I still won't pay for or sell runs, however I don't care if someone else does it. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game since I'm not trying to compete with other players.

We sold dungeon clears / raid slots in wow for years. One of the perks of being good at something, you can help others out for a fee.

I'd say if you have a problem with this you will probably have a problem with real life :/

I don't like the idea of charging people for runs, but at the same time it's completely within their rights to do so. I imagine if they're tank/healers, they're probably getting asked -constantly- for help with certain instances.

That being said, I'm more than sure after another week or two there will be plenty of people willing to help for no real gain.

You guys know that generally the players offering these services are gilsellers right?

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Originally Posted by ufufu

Uh, in what version of reality is that the case?

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They did it in FFXI too, They would offer level up services in Abysea so you could AFK level jobs if you paid them 100-500-1000k gil for specific blocks of time. They would then turn around and sell that gil on their sites.

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Originally Posted by Sziadan

Considering that you are only lvl 23 I wont blame you for not knowing that gil isn't exactly something you get a lot of when you are lvl 50

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"HUR HUR HUR YOUR CURRENT MAIN CHARACTER IS ONRY 23 YOU OBVIOUSLY R THE DUMB!" >.> I played 1.0 and have multiple accounts. This is the one I use on forums. Try again.

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Originally Posted by Pavise

You'd be quite surprised actually... One of the best ways to gain mass amounts of gold is by selling endgame content runs and if you look at WoW you'll get quite a few Asian based guilds on most NA/Oceanic servers advertising in trade selling heroic content and pvp carries for ingame gold or real world currency.

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Thank You

They're mercenary groups. They develop a solid plan that they can execute even without you along for the ride (though you're still expected to perform to a certain degree) and charge you for a guaranteed victory. This has been around for many MMORPGs.

It's a choice, though. People willing to pay will do so. People unwilling to pay will do so and not use mercenary groups. It's a legit form of business in an MMORPG.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You guys know that generally the players offering these services are gilsellers right?

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Uh, in what version of reality is that the case?

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You guys know that generally the players offering these services are gilsellers right?

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..No, the people offering these services are people who have figured out that this is a good way to make some extra gil.
Considering that you are only lvl 23 I wont blame you for not knowing that gil isn't exactly something you get a lot of when you are lvl 50, unless you pick up a DoL/DoH, so having an extra income isn't bad.

For those who'll come in and argue that the repair costs are lowered now, yes they are. But that doesn't mean that everyone is rich now and therefore do not want more gil.

Also, I'm not selling any runs. I just do not see a problem with people who do it as I consider it a legit way of getting cash.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

"HUR HUR HUR YOUR CURRENT MAIN CHARACTER IS ONRY 23 YOU OBVIOUSLY R THE DUMB!" >.> I played 1.0 and have multiple accounts. This is the one I use on forums. Try again.

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This is not 1.0 and how many of your characters are level 50?
My point of that comment was not to belittle you, my point was that as you are leveling, gil doesn't seem to be a problem but it becomes one when you've reached level 50 and start buying material you need + repairing. Unless you've spent your time on crafting/gathering and then selling stuff on market.

But, good job on looking like a complete duche! You aced it :)

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You guys know that generally the players offering these services are gilsellers right?

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I'm pretty sure gilsellers aren't running people through the end-game fights.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

You guys know that generally the players offering these services are gilsellers right?

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I hope you are trolling cause that's retarded. Ok onto the OP's point, these FC members could be doing something to benefit themselves or another member of their FC but for a price will stop what they are doing and guarantee a successful battle in some of the hardest trials. Where do you see a issue here, they feel their time is worth something I guess that idea just is to much for you.

To the OP, there is nothing wrong with the selling of endgame content for an in game currency since it is an amazing way for a guild who has the capacity to carry others the ability to fund their materia/repairs for the gear and content to come.
Personally I've sold heroic raid kills in WoW in guilds I've been in and we did just that we used the gold we earned via selling runs to fund the whole guild's flasks, gems, enchants and food for the current and following raid tiers.

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Originally Posted by Ladon

I'm pretty sure gilsellers aren't running people through the end-game fights.

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You'd be quite surprised actually... One of the best ways to gain mass amounts of gold is by selling endgame content runs and if you look at WoW you'll get quite a few Asian based guilds on most NA/Oceanic servers advertising in trade selling heroic content and pvp carries for ingame gold or real world currency.

Not a big deal. Until people can get it in their heads that they shouldn't rely on random DF groups for endgame content (or any group related activities, ideally), it's technically an actual service/help to the folks that need it. Let them take advantage of other people, it's better than cheating the system lol... IMO anyway.

I think it's probably the best use of in-game time. I bet they are all geared from said content already. So now they will amass a gil fortune and then EBAY the account for a nice lump of cash. I mean the "endgame" here is the total opposite of fun and interesting. The fact there is such a large market for paid runs is evidence of that. Once players get their shiny weapons the allure wears off in a week or two. This game turned out be such a dissapointment. Oh well, im sure the special snowflake hardcore raider crowd is in love with this trash.

There is nothing wrong with this, it's a great way for people that only do battle content to make money.

I used to see this in EQ2 a lot. I am not a big fan of selling loot rights and clears. The only problem I see with it is people buy gil, credits, gold w/e are also the type to pay for clearing services. Many crews that sell services (not all) use 3rd party software. There are web sites that sell scripts and programs so one person and run a whole raid themselves. People are just so lazy. I would wait and get it done myself wipe after wipe then pay someone to run me through.

I've seen tanks on my server charge people for instant ques. If someone needs a dungeon run to complete story and their dps waiting on a 3 hour que... They pay. I've heard of people paying 30k+ for an instant que on Stone Sigil.

It's no different than you tagging along with your FC's endgame group as a fill-in for an absantee and get a free win out of it. The only difference is they chose not to charge you.

As long as the payment is in-game currency and items, or even items in game bought with real money aka mounts, vanity pets, (stuff legitimately sold by the game) I think it's fine. I've seen a lot of people pay others with vanity items bought with real money.

So I read through the pages on this topic. Okay I understand some of you may not find this is not a problem. I find this this annoying for the simple fact that people are taking the easy route and not learning how to run the dungeon and getting gear out of it. I know let them play the game how they want but If we have people keep buying this clear run stuff they won't even know how to do the fight.

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Originally Posted by nukempro

I think it's probably the best use of in-game time. I bet they are all geared from said content already. So now they will amass a gil fortune and then EBAY the account for a nice lump of cash. I mean the "endgame" here is the total opposite of fun and interesting. The fact there is such a large market for paid runs is evidence of that. Once players get their shiny weapons the allure wears off in a week or two. This game turned out be such a dissapointment. Oh well, im sure the special snowflake hardcore raider crowd is in love with this trash.

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So you will:

A: Pay for this "trash", which is quite a waste of money for you, and not very smart.
B: Quit playing, in which case just do it and quit wasting space on this forum.

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Originally Posted by Pseudopsia

I been in a linkshell that used to sell dungeon runs.

When I joined this linkshell I made it clear I would not help them with it. I was more against it then than I am now.

Now I still won't pay for or sell runs, however I don't care if someone else does it. It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the game since I'm not trying to compete with other players.

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Originally Posted by Blazn

I hope you are trolling cause that's retarded. Ok onto the OP's point, these FC members could be doing something to benefit themselves or another member of their FC but for a price will stop what they are doing and guarantee a successful battle in some of the hardest trials. Where do you see a issue here, they feel their time is worth something I guess that idea just is to much for you.

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i know people that bought 50 inch tvs and other shit from selling drops and clears in xi, same thing is going on here

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Originally Posted by Evilized

We sold dungeon clears / raid slots in wow for years. One of the perks of being good at something, you can help others out for a fee.

I'd say if you have a problem with this you will probably have a problem with real life :/

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not really, I give stuff away for free in real life too that other people charge for (even more so, I give stuff away that I paid for)


I must really, really fail at life.


on a random note:
I have NEVER seen people openly charge for 'clear runs' in either LOTRO or SWTOR
I don't remember ever seeing it in TSW either, for that matter, but I haven't really played endgame over there in a few months so things might have changed. in fact the only game I've ever seen that in was final fantasy online. so yeah. take that for a community always sticking together. /burp

Ignore those that try to exploit others by charging to do a run they probably are not experienced anough in themselves. Players like this end up alienating themselves and their whole group.

No problem with it. In fact if anyone is selling on Excalibur leave a post.

IF you are going to charge for it, you better be able to do it completely yourself with the person on autofollow, and they must remain alive.

Otherwise you are simply taking advantage of others and self proclaiming your skills.

I know a legit group that's charging in Behemoth. Avid I believe, honestly, I ran Titan HM for hours.. and I am tempted to pay 200k. I think I spent 30k repairs.. and 10 hours of Titan HM. :/

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Originally Posted by NoctisCaelus

I know a legit group that's charging in Behemoth. Avid I believe, honestly, I ran Titan HM for hours.. and I am tempted to pay 200k. I think I spent 30k repairs.. and 10 hours of Titan HM. :/

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I've given up on Duty Finding it altogether, you just gotta go with 'on-server' pugs and hope you get a group that knows the fight. :/

Whats the going rate?

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Originally Posted by TimelessShine

Is it only on my server or is this everywhere? People charing other people for clears on a dungeon. Now I Can not tell who is legit anymore . :( Shame on you if you buy it too.

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I'm going to charge for it when I can clear it too, why wouldn't I want free money?

IF this continues it will case a severe decline in the game like it did with XI which lost a large user base do to it. I am usure SE will nip it in the bud

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

I've given up on Duty Finding it altogether, you just gotta go with 'on-server' pugs and hope you get a group that knows the fight. :/

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Haha I used duty finder as practice, I found pug groups and people just keep dying and messing up. :/

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Originally Posted by kazaran

IF this continues it will case a severe decline in the game like it did with XI which lost a large user base do to it. I am usure SE will nip it in the bud

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Its an in-game service paid for with in-game currency. If a company wishes to carry one person through content to make what, 14.3k per person per run if they charge 100k , then all the power to them. I don't see how this will lead to a decline in population, it happens in EVERY MMO and doesn't hurt a single one. If anything, this helps diversify the economy and give an alternate means to support those that run dungeons.

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Originally Posted by kazaran

IF this continues it will case a severe decline in the game like it did with XI which lost a large user base do to it. I am usure SE will nip it in the bud

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Ok…. And you base this on what exactly? How will this cause decline?