Request for additional Mob placements for farming

I'm starting this thread to bring up the problem that I've found as a Weaver which is the difficulty of farming materials necessary to level up this class. I can't be the only one who's having issues with this and I can't see Weaver being the only DoH class having issues with farming for materials.

Currently there is only one small place to farm fleece and I find myself having trouble farming because of all the others farming on top of players trying to get EXP off the Karakuls. This is also the same case with Banemites for Diremite webs.

I would like to be able to gather my own materials to level up my class an create my own gear instead of being forced into paying absurd prices on the boards for base materials.

Point of this thread is exactly as the title says, I'd like to request additional mobs that way people like me can gather materials. Sorry if a thread has already been posted about this before but I'd like to see something done to resolve this issue.

I second this, I've found that most materials you need to farm from mobs, except maybe raptors, also have a quest for killing those mobs, why make players compete in such a way. Back in 1.0 there were 3 spawn camps for fleece, that each could support two people. Now its basically one per side, with people questing coming in killing them. WHY make it off a quest mob? Just why, did you think that something weavers need from like 40 on wouldn't be that important, and we wouldn't need a lot of it? Or that people would stop questing eventually, because both those are wrong styles of thinking SE, just add a few more mob spawns, in maybe different places, not even tied to quests, that drop things such as fleece. I'd be the happiest camper ever.

I'd be happy if they added fleece and webs to Botanist gathering nodes, regular ones.. NOT unspoiled.

There is a lvl . . .20 or 25 leve in Quarrymill that has you make Initiates Slops called "Pantsor Corps" or something like that, It sometimes gives out 11 Diremite web as a item reward.

I got 66 Diremite Web the other day from him before he stopped handing it out. I have no idea if the rewards are timer based or what, but if you turn in HQ Initiates Slops you also make a fair amount of experience and old while getting some Diremite Web!!


However I agree there should be a Botanist node for this nonsense.... Because the drop rates are RIDICULOUSLY low on the Diremite Web. I' not a high enough lvl to need fleece.... but I think I will start gathering it whenever I am Svara Hunting.
And the MarketBoard Prices are ludicrous. I downright refuse to pay for a single Diremite Web at 1,000gil.

Nearly every piece of high-level food requires Apkallu eggs, and there is only one camp for them. There's a ton of enemies there but still, it would be great to have more. Same with Night Milk.

Was just commenting today as amazing as the game is..the areas are so much smaller than 1.0, and we for sure need more mobs to farm. Was trying to get a HQ fleece to drop and was lucky if I was able to kill 1 mob, and wait for it to re-spawn. Ridiculous.

I totally agree. I am not a friend of competing with others in case of farming materials. It's no fun and doesn't help anyone except the frustration. I could understand if some materials would be rare for crafting very good armor, but these items are just for leveling up. So yes it's not a smart move from SE to place like 10 mobs on the whole server for all the weavers who want to level up their job. I'm doing a quest for diremite webs at the moment, slow but at least no competition.

Agreed, i'm having constant issues with a certain SMN that will come by and cast their AoE that lasts for like a minute on top of the spawns so they automatically get the claim and i get nothing. Obviously being a job with a long term AoE will make you a successful farmer....but what of us that have jobs like WHM that don't have such abilities? I think its quite poor planning to only make 5 mobs and a FATE boss drop fleece. I do understand 'bottlenecking', however, S.E.'s idea of 'bottlenecking' is more of draining a dam out of a pinhole. For me, it isn't fun having to get maybe 2 or 3 claims in 10 minutes for an item i don't want to pay 400+ gil for. In conclusion, Square Enix's idea on a lot of gathering is to allow a few people to monopolize on an item and keep the poorer people paying huge sums for a tiny bit of resource to help them get further in the game.

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Originally Posted by 123456

Agreed, i'm having constant issues with a certain SMN that will come by and cast their AoE that lasts for like a minute on top of the spawns so they automatically get the claim and i get nothing.

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If they only thing they're casting is one AoE, then you should still be able to get drops. The "sharing" feature of the game that allows you to get credit for kills that others have claimed also appears to work for drops as well as exp and quest/log kills. However, you need to do a minimum threshold of damage if you don't get the claim, and this is where you can be kept from getting the drops you need.

But if the person claiming is only releasing a single AoE attack, then I would expect you would still be able to hit the required damage threshold (though they are, in effect, leeching off of your hard work since you're doing the vast majority of the damage).

Totally agree on this topic. It makes no since to have drops off of mobs. Drops that come from so few mobs, and that you must compete for, but the mats that drop from DoL nodes are done solo. Kinda bites SE that I can harvest nearly 300 Flax in the south shroud in about 2 hours, but in the same time period, I'd be lucky to get 20 fleece.

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Originally Posted by LunaRhiki

Totally agree on this topic. It makes no since to have drops off of mobs. Drops that come from so few mobs, and that you must compete for, but the mats that drop from DoL nodes are done solo. Kinda bites SE that I can harvest nearly 300 Flax in the south shroud in about 2 hours, but in the same time period, I'd be lucky to get 20 fleece.

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This pretty much sums it up - I can harvest flax well into excess, but fleece? Not happening. Two people with good reflexes can pretty much claim ALL the Karakul spawns on their own. Diremites are slightly more spread out (in that there are three points, rather than two), but it's still pretty bad.

I don't think this is a totally unreasonable request. There's a lot of open space in Coerthas to add more sheep if it's too, for "realistic" sake, unlikely find balls of wool in a harvesting point. However if I can find a cocoon from a mob that doesn't even exist in the game I think I can find a web from one that does in a random bush.

I have to agree its driving me crazy when I need to go farm HQ mats and there's a bunch of ppl farming it too either for mats as well or for quests. Not only do they need to add a few more spawning areas I also thin they should bring back quest mobs like they had in 1.0

They don't drop anything and give crap xp, they are specifically for the quests. That way ppl can farm mats & others can do their quests without having to compete.

Who the heck tought this was a good idea to have mob drop Main crafting material? Node i get, but 6-7 mobs outside a camp where people fate farm. And you need this all the way to 50.

Make Fleece on a node not a monster drop! Or make more mobs drop them, how am i suppose to level weaver when there is 50 other people trying to kill a mob at the same time?

Oh, do it during the night duh. Still people there! And some people gotta work, that leaves some people at 4 hours during peek times. Which is 6-10. Then there is more people there!

They should just create a new gathering class for monsters. Like zooligist or biologist. Or something. Can use shears and taxidermy knife as its tools. Then just spawn corpses to gather from in the level appropriate area. (or happy little monster that don't need to be killed for their wool/feathers/eggs). And if they want to limit the influx of items just make longer respawn of the critters. Then also add a chance for all uncommon trade items to drop from monsters, so you can either kill for random drops or harvest specific ones.

Starting to see more and more threads being started about fleece problems. Would really help add more sheep. Had someone competing against me last night while I was trying to farm and actually started calling me vulgar names because he was trying to make money.

group up with others farming fleece or other materials. All in the party can receive drops and you won't have to fight over spawns.

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

They should just create a new gathering class for monsters. Like zooligist or biologist. Or something. Can use shears and taxidermy knife as its tools. Then just spawn corpses to gather from in the level appropriate area. (or happy little monster that don't need to be killed for their wool/feathers/eggs). And if they want to limit the influx of items just make longer respawn of the critters. Then also add a chance for all uncommon trade items to drop from monsters, so you can either kill for random drops or harvest specific ones.

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Sheep brush up against bushes and leave wool on it. All that needs to be done is add bushes with fleece for botany.

Primary crafting materials should always be on nodes, not on mobs. Weaving and leatherworking both have serious issues in this regard.

If they want to put secondary materials on mobs that's... ok, although still not great, but at least that spreads people out some. The current system just promotes massive overpopulation for farming a very limited number of NPCs - a good chunk of which aren't even tradecrafters, they're just farming the stuff to sell on the market.

Honestly, I like that it's contested. It creates demand based on something other than laziness and promotes DoW/M farming as a viable path to wealth.

For the still-leveling weavers out there, you can still level efficiently (and cheaply) on hemp>cotton>linen. Diremite webs and fleece are simply mats that aren't going to be viable to level up on, but are still plentiful enough for those crafting gear.

Having said that, botters are becoming an issue at the Banemite spawns on my server. While I don't think the number of spawns should be increased, I do think that adding a FATE to the area could really hurt the simplistic, keyspam botters.

Linen is possible but extremely slow for WVR's in their 40's. I have made it to 44 by doing this but even with massive HQ boosts, I can now only get about 2000xp from a single linen recipe. The problem you run into with grinding like that is the shard usage. At full speed in harvesting Lightning Shards in Thanalan since I can only use the boost once every 5-7 minutes I can only average about 3-4k shards in 6 hours. This game was designed to be more about the questing and content than the grind and this is a boring grind.

Would be nice to see Gianttoad Skins be a little easier to obtain. It is almost impossible to farm them without competetion, and the drop rate is poor to boot.

ALC is also a heavily mob drop dependent profession. There are only a few recipes that can be made from gathered components.

I am in full agreement with the OP. I try to gather HQ materials from Mobs and Gathering. It's virtually impossible because of the minimal drop rate and number of Player competing.

Also, if you do not claim the mob, or are grouped with the claimant .. you will not get craft drops. Quest credit sure but NO LOOT. Grouping is great when it is fellow crafters to share with, but botters & farmers will not group with you since they do not want to share. RMT farmers can group with each other to share with claiming bots. So .. advantage RMTs.

If competition will be kept, a person doing enough damage to get quest credit say, should also be put in the loot drops *even* if they were not grouped with the claimant. It is the only way a real player can compete with a bot/farm team. More spawns would also be good too .. but if they are few enough that RMT farmers can stay on all of them simultaneously, then fixing the "loot only goes to claimant" must change. The current system encourages the bot farmers.

I Just got to Fleece Level. . . . My soul is crying. Its nearly impossible to farm those sheep because EVERYONE ELSE IS.
I'm not sure if they are weavers, of just doing it for the MB money, but trying to get Fleece is more ridiculous than Diremite Web...

Are there any leve's that reward fleece?!

I believe what you're all missing is the fact that if more than the current mobs spawning is available is that the material value will drop, the gear value will drop, and the reason for crafting to make money will diminish.. I love when materials are highly priced, that means that the following crafts required to refine them actually produce a profit

otherwise, you end up with in the end game, the same price structure that is shown in the lower level gear, crazy low,

people selling gear that costs 10k to make for 5kg is the problem, not the price of materials, or the quantity of materials available, people need to realize that certain things take time to sell instead of spiking their prices crazy low,

I have never had a problem purchasing mats when I buy mats to make gear, because I sell gear for greater than it costs not less than

I think people are more worried about being able to level Weaver on fleece or make any fleece-required gear AT ALL than they are about the price of the finished product. And the finished product's price dropping because the material price dropped is not a problem at all.

In many crafting jobs there are times when you need 1 or more ingredients and you want to craft that item usually multiple times.

Then you go to farm what you need only to find it will only drop off of a certain mob and then in the zone there is only a total of 8-10 max, and ohh look it also happens to come from a mob used in a quest, so now you have to compete against any one doing the quest that needs the mobs or even other farmers. Don't get me wrong I understand and don't mind competition but when there are so few mobs to start with it is damn annoying especially when it happens over and over while trying to farm your materials instead of forking over the price off the market boards.

To fix you Could add more mobs that drop the current materials or could leave it the way it is but drastically increase the drop rates and drop amounts of crafting materials.

The best solution here is to add the missing shepherd gathering class that has been 'coming soon' since the original launch.

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Originally Posted by Arbitrage

if more than the current mobs spawning is available is that the material value will drop, the gear value will drop, and the reason for crafting to make money will diminish.. I love when materials are highly priced, that means that the following crafts required to refine them actually produce a profit

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Except all that gear is already available from NPC merchants for cheap, and quests give it away, and dungeons drop the best stuff.

The only reason regular gear is selling for high prices is because a lot of the player base hasn't yet noticed that there are gear merchants in every aetheryte camp. So it won't be long until to sell gear, regular gear will have to undercut the NPC price by a large amount, and HQ gear with materia will probably only demand a small premium.

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Originally Posted by Arbitrage

I believe what you're all missing is the fact that if more than the current mobs spawning is available is that the material value will drop, the gear value will drop, and the reason for crafting to make money will diminish.. I love when materials are highly priced, that means that the following crafts required to refine them actually produce a profit

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Which is fine, but that's why you place resource constrictions on the secondary components for the profession - NOT on the primary base materials. Otherwise you're just creating an enormous roadblock to simply being able to level.