I like the market wards

I like the market wards since it gives you that feel of having a peddler sell your goods on the street. I did the same thing with my mules back in ffxi, just wished retainers were in a more open place, like maybe open up some doors and windows inside the wards.

The problem is that the market wards have a limited amount of retainers it can fit per ward, and with everybody wanting to be in uldah, that place would fill up quickly and not everybody can have their retainers selling and not have a good experience with the market wards. I feel sorry for those in Gridania.

This will become more of a problem once more people comes in the game and when more people get more retainers. With the mailbox system, who's gonna stop someone from making 8 characters with 16 retainers. A few people can fill up the entire ward with just their retainers and stop others from summoning their retainers. Of course, some smart ass will say, "if you can afford to pay the monthly, it's your right to make as many characters as you want." Yes, you can but once the RMT figures this out, they already have multiple characters each and can obviously afford the monthly once they start charging, they can takeover the entire economy, you'll probably start crying again.

It's not a problem for my current retainers since they are saved in their spot in limsa battlecraft wards, and I practically own the place; but I will feel sorry for ps3 players who can't make money because the wards are so full.

Anyways, here's an idea to make the wards more centralized. Make the search function centralized, meaning it will display items from all cities, and put an aetheryte inside em and allow to teleport to another city for 1 anima or maybe free.

I don't mind the wards either. Now that there is that global search, it's just fine.

As might have been previously noted, I like the market wards. :p

Fraid I'm short on ideas for it atm though.

Market Wards are tedious, boring, and a lag fest. {No, thanks} It's not innovative, it's stupid. Feel like I'm playing a Barbie MMO sometimes.

I posted a thread HERE with some ideas for the Market Wards. Let me know what you think ^^

I do not like market wards and would like a proper AH.

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Originally Posted by Gracious

I do not like market wards and would like a proper AH.

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What features specifically from the AH that are missing from the Marketwards are you missing?

I HATE the market wards.

Auction House, please.

Its odd to me that SE didn't see this coming when they allow a player to have multiple retainers and when they lead the player to Ul'Dah in the storyline. Just seems like a very unfinished idea to me and I don't see what they have planned in case of an influx of players come PS3 release. Unless this is all they expected for players, in which case its alright.

If you're going to make the statement that you want an AH or that an AH is better in some way from the MWs... then you need to specify exactly what kind of AH in detail.

There are many different ways to do them, so without specifics, your statements are essentially worthless.


I also like the MWs as is. Though someone made the point that it would be nice to see the crafter's name. I would like to see them add the Retainer's sponsor (the player's name) to the Retainer window somewhere so you can contact them if you would like to have specific consignments.

Yeah I think the system is PERFECT the way it is

I HATE IT!

Yay market wards. ^-^ I love having something unique that works as well as an auction house.
I would like to see SE do something to spread people out to the other nations though.
I think being able to instantly travel from one ward to another nation's would help somewhat. (But only being able to exit through the way you came - so no free warp to another nation, just to their wards.)

They are a waist of time because no one uses them.
Everyone just searches the item they want, which is equivalent to an AH except you have to walk to your item.
I don't think anyone goes to market and browses every individual NPC

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

What features specifically from the AH that are missing from the Marketwards are you missing?

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Honestly, I like the simplicity of Auction Houses over how Market Wards work.

I agree that the current system we have in place works, but I have a hard time seeing why anyone would be against simplifying the situation. I understand how the OP can sort of immerse himself/herself in the fact that he is hiring a retainer to sell his/her items, but that is not something many players take into account. For the RP minded, I can see how the system would be neat.

The thing is, the current system is a hassle. Player have to zone in and out of different areas, use the search feature multiple times to mark npcs, and search through tons of different npcs to find the best deals.

Why go through all that trouble when you could just talk to an Auctioneer that is fencing goods from across all the different cities / areas? Use one menu to search for the different items you want, and purchase the auctions you think are going for a fair price. Visit your mailbox after making your purchases, and your done!

In the end, an Auction House would make things better on a few different levels. Its faster, simpler, and it would tie all the different cities together without causing a crowding issue with retainers.

Now id like to turn the question back on you if you dont mind - What about an Auction System dont you like? Why do you prefer the Market Wards over Auction Houses?

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

If you're going to make the statement that you want an AH or that an AH is better in some way from the MWs... then you need to specify exactly what kind of AH in detail.

There are many different ways to do them, so without specifics, your statements are essentially worthless.


I also like the MWs as is. Though someone made the point that it would be nice to see the crafter's name. I would like to see them add the Retainer's sponsor (the player's name) to the Retainer window somewhere so you can contact them if you would like to have specific consignments.

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Also wanted to touch on this to go along with my previous post.

In my eyes, an Auction House in FF14 could be very similar to how the World of Warcraft has theirs set up.

Each town would have a main Auction House or Hall. Players could talk with the Auctioneers there to post their goods, or use the same interface to look for items they want.

Players selling their goods would place a bid and/or buyout price for others to use.

Buyers could then search for any item they want, and then place a bid or instantly buyout the item. This is all done without zoning and looking through different NPC's.

Thats a very quick description of a possible system, but I wanted to toss it out there in case anyone had any questions ;)

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I enjoy being able to browse the markets. My normal routine is to buy the specific item (if I'm looking for something specific), then I check a few of the surrounding retainers to see what they're selling as well. People seem to be so caught up in just going through everything so quickly that they simply don't take the time to enjoy the scenery.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I enjoy being able to browse the markets. My normal routine is to buy the specific item (if I'm looking for something specific), then I check a few of the surrounding retainers to see what they're selling as well. People seem to be so caught up in just going through everything so quickly that they simply don't take the time to enjoy the scenery.

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There is indeed a role playing quality to the retainer system Dreamer, and I agree that it is fun for some people to browse these wards as they play.

The thing is, many players like being able to quickly finish their business and continue to play with their LS members or just progress like normal. Im sure there are others like me who simply don't have the time. I personally dont feel like using the market ward system at this point because its such a hassle to pick up multiple items. Having to zone out/in of different wards and search/flag multiple retainers is a pain, and browsing for the best price is even worse.

I would prefer a system where I could simply talk to a main Auctioneer type NPC, or interact with a single screen. Search the items I want and see the prices, then purchase the items I feel are being sold at a fair price. From there you can stop by a mailbox or your mog house, then boom! All done.

I guess it just seems like a big waste of time for those who don't enjoy the aesthetic part of the situation ;)

Below is walk-through of a Buy/Sell/Trade system I'd like to see in FFXIV.

As a Buyer I'd like to...

1: Be able to run up to a Buy/Sell/Trade counter that is universal within my server (Gridania, Ul'dah, Limsa Lominsa, Ishguard, City X, City Y, City Z, combined on the server I reside on)

2: That is Conveniently placed (scattered through-out the cities. Maybe 20 counters or so per city that are about 50 yalms or so apart to prevent people from clustering in one area of the cities.)

3: Be able to navigate an organized Buy/Sell/Trade menu (Armor fitters, Lower Tailors Row, Middle Tailors Row, Upper Tailors Row, and Jewelers Row's "Crown" and "Eye wear" Should be combined into a "Gear/Armor" category with the sub categories head,body,hands,wrist,waist,legs,feet) The rest of the current menu organization is fine (tanners section, woodcutters section, etc.)

4: See the exact price of "item X" and be able to buy multiples of "item X" for "visible price" without bidding on each item or cycling through the Buy/Sell/Trade menu repeatedly for each item.

5: Obtain the item i just purchased in my inventory immediately.

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As a Seller I'd like to...

6: 1,2, and 3.

7: Be able to look up the price history of items i wish to sell via in-game Buy/Sell/trade menu (rather than look it up on YellowGremlin web site etc.)and see the exact price of other peoples posted items.

8: Be able to place a decent amount of items to sell, both single and stacked.

9: Have the items I wish to sell posted for a decent amount of time (48 real life hours or whatever SE sees fit)

10: receive the gil from my sold items upon visiting a Buy/Sell/Trade counter.

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Things in red...

The things I wrote in red could cause problems.

With everyones asking price visible, undercutting other people becomes very easy.

Without price-visibility, people are forced to spend time guessing the price causing time consuming repeated bidding.
Also without price-visibility, I don't see how I could buy multiple amounts of ore or logs etc. without having to bid on each item. I think that would leave me with no choice but to buy a full stack for a set amount.

Feel Free to post your ideas about anything in this post. ^^

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As a Trader I'd like to...

11: 1,2, and 3.

12: See Listings of what people want and what they are willing to trade to get it.
For Example:
Jane Doe wants a "Joker Hat".
Jane Doe Goes to the Buy/Sell/Trade counter.
Jane doe navigates the menu as such; "gear/armor" --> "head" --> "people looking to trade head gear" --> (listing of people that want to trade their head gear)

Jane Doe finds the section of people trying to trade their "Joker Hats".

"Joker Hat" for "Black Boots" and 30,000gil
"Joker Hat" for "Gold helm"
"Joker hat" for "Glitter Coatee"

Jane Doe has a "glitter Coattee" she is willing to trade for a "Joker hat".
Jane Doe makes trade.

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Retainer Bazzars...

I do like the idea of having a bazzar mule but i don't think our main Buy/Sell/Trade system should be set up the way it is at the moment.
I'd say combine all market wards and increase capacity (to get rid of zoning).
Increase Bazzar size (maybe to full inventory).
Allow only one retainer to bazzar at a time (to prevent retainer cluttering).
Keep the item search feature.

I know theres flaws in this section of my post, feel free to comment.

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RMT...

Unfortunately, the more convenient and functional a Buy/Sell/Trade system is, the more RMT thrive. I suggest that when it comes time for a "grand accomplishment" or something the equivalent of FFXI's Relic weapons, SE should makes accomplishing the qest require battles, guild marks, missions, and other things that do not require gil rather than a shopping frenzy that requires gil to obtain the items needed for a relic or whatever SE can think of for a "grand accomplishment".

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That's about all i can think of at the moment. Again, feel free to comment, agree, disagree, or point out flaws.

Thank You for reading~ ^ w ^)v

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Originally Posted by RinL

and browsing for the best price is even worse.

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Whats so bad about browsing for the best price when you get the lowest 10 prices in the search window, you look at the name of the retainer with the lowest price and the ward go to that retainer and bam your done.

I agree looking for multiple items can be a chore, but as people have already said in other forums, whats so much quicker about placing a bid for an item, waiting for the auction to end just to find you were outbit, then bid on another auction, wait for it to end then pick it up?

The alternative is ffxi's style which is blind bidding where you can be there for ages bidding 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 30k, then thinking that its too much so all you can do is wait around hoping another comes up or go for an alternative with the same process where as MWs show the actual prices.

The main problem is going to be how easy it is to undercut, just put your items up for a lower price which will eventually crash the market, this is the only issue that needs looking at with the MWs.

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Originally Posted by RinL

Honestly, I like the simplicity of Auction Houses over how Market Wards work.

I agree that the current system we have in place works, but I have a hard time seeing why anyone would be against simplifying the situation. I understand how the OP can sort of immerse himself/herself in the fact that he is hiring a retainer to sell his/her items, but that is not something many players take into account. For the RP minded, I can see how the system would be neat.

The thing is, the current system is a hassle. Player have to zone in and out of different areas, use the search feature multiple times to mark npcs, and search through tons of different npcs to find the best deals.

Why go through all that trouble when you could just talk to an Auctioneer that is fencing goods from across all the different cities / areas? Use one menu to search for the different items you want, and purchase the auctions you think are going for a fair price. Visit your mailbox after making your purchases, and your done!

In the end, an Auction House would make things better on a few different levels. Its faster, simpler, and it would tie all the different cities together without causing a crowding issue with retainers.

Now id like to turn the question back on you if you dont mind - What about an Auction System dont you like? Why do you prefer the Market Wards over Auction Houses?

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Blind and Time bidding which are the only things that make an Auction House an Auction House. All the fixes you mentioned do not make a market system an auction house. They just simplify and improve the convenience of the current market system and as such can be implemented to the current Market Wards without ever implementing an Auction House.

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Originally Posted by Delsus

Whats so bad about browsing for the best price when you get the lowest 10 prices in the search window, you look at the name of the retainer with the lowest price and the ward go to that retainer and bam your done.

I agree looking for multiple items can be a chore, but as people have already said in other forums, whats so much quicker about placing a bid for an item, waiting for the auction to end just to find you were outbit, then bid on another auction, wait for it to end then pick it up?

The alternative is ffxi's style which is blind bidding where you can be there for ages bidding 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 30k, then thinking that its too much so all you can do is wait around hoping another comes up or go for an alternative with the same process where as MWs show the actual prices.

The main problem is going to be how easy it is to undercut, just put your items up for a lower price which will eventually crash the market, this is the only issue that needs looking at with the MWs.

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Im not so great at quoting individual sections on this one, so bear with my copy paste >.<

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Whats so bad about browsing for the best price when you get the lowest 10 prices in the search window, you look at the name of the retainer with the lowest price and the ward go to that retainer and bam your done.

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Im not sure how this works out for you, but currently when I search for an item in Uldah there are generally many up for sale. Sure you can flag each individual retainer and look through all the red stars scattered throughout the hall, but you will also have to look through all the retainers in the other wards as well.

This would also include keeping track of the names of the people and their individual prices, that way you could go back through and purchase from low to high to get the best deal. Its just a lot more time/hassle than I for one would like to take when an Auction system could make things go a whole lot faster ;)

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I agree looking for multiple items can be a chore, but as people have already said in other forums, whats so much quicker about placing a bid for an item, waiting for the auction to end just to find you were outbit, then bid on another auction, wait for it to end then pick it up?

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On this part id like to just comment that Auction Houses also have a Buyout feature, and that I for one *very* rarely use the bid option. In the Auction House I mentioned (in this thread, or the other AH related on on the front page), players will set a bid / buyout price for each auction they create. Players can then choose to bid and wait if they'd like to try for a lower price, or just buy the item out immediately.

Honestly, most of the time I see auctions on games like wow the buyout / bid prices are the same, and that encourages players to simply buy the item(s) immediately.

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The alternative is ffxi's style which is blind bidding where you can be there for ages bidding 10k, 15k, 20k, 25k, 30k, then thinking that its too much so all you can do is wait around hoping another comes up or go for an alternative with the same process where as MWs show the actual prices.

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I didnt get too far in with Final Fantasy 11, so sadly I cant remember how the AH system worked there :( sorry I cant comment on this one!

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The main problem is going to be how easy it is to undercut, just put your items up for a lower price which will eventually crash the market, this is the only issue that needs looking at with the MWs.

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On a final note, I dont think this is an issue at all. Sure you will see people undercutting the lowest price, but thats how markets work. Prices will eventually hit a stable level and you will see that items will sell at a pretty consistent level.

The market will never 'crash', it will simply even out. Will you still see those 90,000 gil sales for items that cost 20,000 gil to craft? Probably not. But you wont see them go below the cost to craft them in most cases, unless you get lucky and find a deal ;)

Basically what im trying to say is, you may indeed see a drop in price for the more common items but that is normal. You cant expect items to remain at a super high level once players can see what is used to make the item and how much they cost.

Hopefully that works well, and sorry for the long reply >.< you covered quite a bit in your post!

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Blind and Time bidding which are the only things that make an Auction House an Auction House. All the fixes you mentioned do not make a market system an auction house. They just simplify and improve the convenience of the current market system and as such can be implemented to the current Market Wards without ever implementing an Auction House.

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Excellent, then it seems we agree on my notes for improvement?

Call it what you will, auction house or improved market wards. Simply introducing the features I have mentioned would make things easier on every player using the wards.

Can you think of any reasons we should not make things easier on players trying to buy and sell items? Any drawbacks that would hurt the game or its players?

Im just trying to get a handle on why so many people seem to have such a problem with making the types of changes I mentioned earlier :)

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Originally Posted by RinL

Im not sure how this works out for you, but currently when I search for an item in Uldah there are generally many up for sale. Sure you can flag each individual retainer and look through all the red stars scattered throughout the hall, but you will also have to look through all the retainers in the other wards as well.

This would also include keeping track of the names of the people and their individual prices, that way you could go back through and purchase from low to high to get the best deal. Its just a lot more time/hassle than I for one would like to take when an Auction system could make things go a whole lot faster ;)

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The only time this is a problem is when you are looking for crafting materials/ammo/consumables and the wards can be patched to help this problem by allowing you to specify how much of what you need then it shows the lowest prices for that amount, (if its from differant retainers it could attempt to find ones in the same wards) this is just a simple calculator type progam put in and group retainers names if needed.

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On this part id like to just comment that Auction Houses also have a Buyout feature, and that I for one *very* rarely use the bid option. In the Auction House I mentioned (in this thread, or the other AH related on on the front page), players will set a bid / buyout price for each auction they create. Players can then choose to bid and wait if they'd like to try for a lower price, or just buy the item out immediately.

Honestly, most of the time I see auctions on games like wow the buyout / bid prices are the same, and that encourages players to simply buy the item(s) immediately.

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So you dont actually want an actuion house, you want a system to buy immidiatly, which can again be patched to buy at the enterance to the MWs if SE want to.

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I didnt get too far in with Final Fantasy 11, so sadly I cant remember how the AH system worked there :( sorry I cant comment on this one!

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FFXI's action house was blind bidding, you look at the price history and usually bid slightly below those prices and slowly increase when you dont get it for the best deal, also the item selling for the lowest price is sold first so you can have an item up for days even weeks before it sells just from undercutters

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On a final note, I dont think this is an issue at all. Sure you will see people undercutting the lowest price, but thats how markets work. Prices will eventually hit a stable level and you will see that items will sell at a pretty consistent level.

The market will never 'crash', it will simply even out. Will you still see those 90,000 gil sales for items that cost 20,000 gil to craft? Probably not. But you wont see them go below the cost to craft them in most cases, unless you get lucky and find a deal ;)

Basically what im trying to say is, you may indeed see a drop in price for the more common items but that is normal. You cant expect items to remain at a super high level once players can see what is used to make the item and how much they cost.

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It is still prime for undercutting because theres no guarentee that things will sell, so you will put items up for less than others, although it may stabilise it could get more like FFXI which was 99% of NQ items sell below the cost to make them and HQ items cost alot more to cover the losses from any NQ synths (this would be if SE implements a system to show HQ items in the search)

Oh man, we have a debate going and quotes are flying wild! xD Ill try to post my thoughts as clear as I can, forgive me if this comes out jumbled at all.

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Im not sure how this works out for you, but currently when I search for an item in Uldah there are generally many up for sale. Sure you can flag each individual retainer and look through all the red stars scattered throughout the hall, but you will also have to look through all the retainers in the other wards as well.

This would also include keeping track of the names of the people and their individual prices, that way you could go back through and purchase from low to high to get the best deal. Its just a lot more time/hassle than I for one would like to take when an Auction system could make things go a whole lot faster

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Your Reply,

The only time this is a problem is when you are looking for crafting materials/ammo/consumables and the wards can be patched to help this problem by allowing you to specify how much of what you need then it shows the lowest prices for that amount, (if its from differant retainers it could attempt to find ones in the same wards) this is just a simple calculator type progam put in and group retainers names if needed.

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I have no programming / coding experience to go off of, but it seems like this would have a lot of 'moving parts' if you catch my drift. I still feel that having a single page to search from that had all the sales from the different cities would be the best way to implement a Auction House / ward type system.

Call it what you will, but anything that allows what I have described in my previous posts would be a welcome addition to the game in my eyes.

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On this part id like to just comment that Auction Houses also have a Buyout feature, and that I for one *very* rarely use the bid option. In the Auction House I mentioned (in this thread, or the other AH related on on the front page), players will set a bid / buyout price for each auction they create. Players can then choose to bid and wait if they'd like to try for a lower price, or just buy the item out immediately.

Honestly, most of the time I see auctions on games like wow the buyout / bid prices are the same, and that encourages players to simply buy the item(s) immediately.

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So you dont actually want an actuion house, you want a system to buy immidiatly, which can again be patched to buy at the enterance to the MWs if SE want to.

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Again, call it what you will so long as the system turns out similar to what I listed in my posting history. If purchasing the items from the main entrance screen that comes up when you go to the wards floats your boat, then thats fine.

I guess I always envisioned an NPC / setting that would help to keep immersion going. Buying something from a screen that pops up when you go near a zone boundary sounded a bit bland to me compared to entering a non instanced hall and talking with a Master Auctioneer ;)

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I didnt get too far in with Final Fantasy 11, so sadly I cant remember how the AH system worked there sorry I cant comment on this one!

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FFXI's action house was blind bidding, you look at the price history and usually bid slightly below those prices and slowly increase when you dont get it for the best deal, also the item selling for the lowest price is sold first so you can have an item up for days even weeks before it sells just from undercutters

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Thanks for the information on that one Delsus, I can see where people might be against that type of system if that is what an Auction House is to you. The whole 'blind' aspect of the situation turns me off quite a bit as well, and I assure you thats not what I would like to see in the game.

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On a final note, I dont think this [UNDERCUTTING] is an issue at all. Sure you will see people undercutting the lowest price, but thats how markets work. Prices will eventually hit a stable level and you will see that items will sell at a pretty consistent level.

The market will never 'crash', it will simply even out. Will you still see those 90,000 gil sales for items that cost 20,000 gil to craft? Probably not. But you wont see them go below the cost to craft them in most cases, unless you get lucky and find a deal

Basically what im trying to say is, you may indeed see a drop in price for the more common items but that is normal. You cant expect items to remain at a super high level once players can see what is used to make the item and how much they cost.

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It is still prime for undercutting because theres no guarentee that things will sell, so you will put items up for less than others, although it may stabilise it could get more like FFXI which was 99% of NQ items sell below the cost to make them and HQ items cost alot more to cover the losses from any NQ synths (this would be if SE implements a system to show HQ items in the search)

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I agree, undercutting is indeed something you will see with any type of market. Even in the wards right now, undercutting happens when people post. I know I make sure to check for the items I am selling before I list, that way I can post at a lower amount than what my competition is selling for. Its how the economy works, and I cant really elaborate more than that.

Boy, this ones getting long! Next time I may directly reply to your text instead of showing the history - I just think its easier to keep the conversation in mind by linking it all again.

Thanks for the debate!

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I don't mind the wards either. Now that there is that global search, it's just fine.

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:'D your sig<333 lul

On another note, I like the market wards too. But I would not object to the global search feature being a bit more like an AH, for example, listing the prices of previous items instead of the prices just vanishing once the item is sold. Some type of history would be nice.

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:'D your sig<333 lul

On another note, I like the market wards too. But I would not object to the global search feature being a bit more like an AH, for example, listing the prices of previous items instead of the prices just vanishing once the item is sold. Some type of history would be nice.

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Just out of curiosity, would what a price history help?

This is more of a curious question, from what I have recently read in other threads that seems like it was a big part of the 'blind bid' auction house of FF11, is that right? I didnt get to use that system at all, so I dont know much about it.

In my experience though, players eventually find a standard price on their own without a history. After time the market stabilizes and 'minimum prices' kind of fall in place. People know that x item will sell for around x price because thats what it is worth, or at least that is what I have seen on other games.

Assuming a 'blind auction' type situation was not introduced, is this something that would be needed?

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Originally Posted by RinL

Just out of curiosity, would what a price history help?

This is more of a curious question, from what I have recently read in other threads that seems like it was a big part of the 'blind bid' auction house of FF11, is that right? I didnt get to use that system at all, so I dont know much about it.

In my experience though, players eventually find a standard price on their own without a history. After time the market stabilizes and 'minimum prices' kind of fall in place. People know that x item will sell for around x price because thats what it is worth, or at least that is what I have seen on other games.

Assuming a 'blind auction' type situation was not introduced, is this something that would be needed?

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I think it would help just to keep certain things, usually things that are not so common on the wards, at a somewhat steady price. For example, I buy and sell a lot of food ingredients, but since these are not commonly bought and sold (at least on my server) the prices fluctuate drastically. Sometimes people will sell them for like 2k, sometimes for 200. It just helps to have a history for this type of thing, so the prices remain steady. This normally dosen't happen with things like crystals and popular mats and such.

ok sick of the quotes now lol so @RinL:

ammo/consumables/w/e else i said

all it needs to do is search the wards for the amount of an item retainers are selling, then calculate it to come to the number the player specified, then show the retainers that need to be visited to get said amount of an item shouldnt be too hard, the main part would be the calculator type extension for it.

for buying from an NPC

It would be easy to add one there but the items would still be taken from retainers, and to keep the MWs as MWs you can say you still need to go to your retainer to put an item up for sale, also you would still have the option of going into the wards to buy if you needed.

Undercutting

All I am worried about is that people will see x item for 100k, you sell for 99k and if that trend continues for people it will end up crashing the market of NQ items, and HQ items will be stupidly expencive like in FFXI to cover losses, but servers should be up now so imma play!!!

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all it needs to do is search the wards for the amount of an item retainers are selling, then calculate it to come to the number the player specified, then show the retainers that need to be visited to get said amount of an item shouldnt be too hard, the main part would be the calculator type extension for it.

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See, that seems really complicated to me >.> I would rather search for the item im looking for, find all the postings available for said item and their prices, then purchase the items I want from there.

This all goes back to making things easier/more simple for the average player in my opinion. I am of the thought that if it does not harm anyone/thing, then making things as simple as possible can only help everyones gameplay.

Dont get me wrong, I dont think easy everything (endgame content, pvp, ect) is a good thing. But things like Auction House / Market Wards can be made simple without offending the hardcore or the casual ;)

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It would be easy to add one there but the items would still be taken from retainers, and to keep the MWs as MWs you can say you still need to go to your retainer to put an item up for sale, also you would still have the option of going into the wards to buy if you needed.

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This ones a bit hard, but I think it could work.

People selling things could still use their retainers, and the retainers would be hooked up to a Auction Hall / Auctioneer NPC / Whatever you want to call it.

People could then buy from one central location and still enjoy their retainers when they want to sell things. I guess you could still let players enter the wards on their own to browse as they would like, but I think that would be sort of cluttered imo. I think it could be confusing to players, and eventually you might not see much use of the less dominant type of search feature.

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Undercutting

All I am worried about is that people will see x item for 100k, you sell for 99k and if that trend continues for people it will end up crashing the market of NQ items, and HQ items will be stupidly expencive like in FFXI to cover losses, but servers should be up now so imma play!!!

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Undercutting will indeed happen, there is no way you will ever get around that. As I was saying earlier though, it should never fall below the cost of the materials used to create the end item. Once that happens a smart auctioneer will snipe the items and repost at an appropriate setting.

Then you have the times where all the auctions for x item are purchased, and someone comes up and randomly starts the process over. I know Moth mentioned a price history being put in along with any other changes, perhaps having one of those would help to keep prices stable? Along with the normal behavior of players who auction things that is.

Thanks for talking with me Delsus, and sorry for the quotes xD goodluck to you, and either way it turns out im sure the Dev team will take care of things. The game seems to be going in the right direction now, so I guess its just up to us to wait!

I'd like to ask... What is the point of bidding? Why try to guess at a price when you can just be told outright what it is? (the current system)

The two most common complaints for an AH are "I want Price History" and "I want to instantly get my item".

Price history is a double edged sword, and one side is sharper than the other (namely the negative side). Sure, it gives you an idea of what price things have sold at in the past... but it's also much more exploitable than just comparing current prices.

As for getting the item instantly... I'm sorry, but I just find this to be a silly argument. "Oh no! I can't possibly be expected to actually move my character for a few seconds to pick up my item!" Those 15 seconds could have been spent killing a mob! Damn you SE for wasting 15 seconds of my time! I demand instant satisfaction since those 15 seconds are very important to me!"

I like the market wards too! I was thinking they could expand it a little more, though. Here were some of my ideas in another thread if anyone wanted to check it out:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ancement-Ideas

I like the Market Wards also.

Would be nice if there were quests that you could do with your retainers. Or maybe send them off to far away lands and maybe they could bring back items.

A global search feature + free teleport to other cities' wards would adequately replace the idea of an auction house. Maybe if they make the search feature accessible within the UI when inside the wards, instead of running all the way to the corner, it would be make it much more efficient. I like the realism of the wards and I actually live inside it in the game. I run around looking at what people are selling as well as looking for things I can fix real fast for quick money. I call the Limsa Battlecraft Wards as my office. When my linkshell mates need something repaired or want some weapons, I say "Hey, come to my office!" Corny, but gets a laugh every now and then. So yeah, the market wards does leave some room for some role playing, and some times I like to pretend like I'm weapons dealer, Tony Stark.

Not everyone wants their order now like a fast food order, some people do enjoy shopping, maybe see how it looks, look for different colors, look for better quality, price, and maybe see if they find an armor piece that is better to wear than what they originally looked for. So yeah, it's different from what people are originally used to, and there will always be people resistant to change, but it could work and maybe even better than the auction house.

Oh and please open doors and windows in the wards, so it doesn't feel like a prison lol. It's very dark, depressing, and stuffy in there.

The reason I like the market wards is because they are quiet. I like to sit in them and work on my crafting. When I need something, I just run and search/find it, and buy it. Sometimes the people I buy from will have other items I'll pick up too, as usually if they have one good price, it will all be good prices.

I also like my retainers a lot. I spent a lot of time picking them and choosing their names, going through all the choices several times before choosing one. Having them hold my stuff whether I want to keep it or sell it is very convienent. I don't have to shuffle things around and make room when I'm carting things from the bank to the AH in this game.

AHs are very crowded and "bustling". They're not a fun place to be.

This is just the way I feel. I don't consider my opinion to more valid than someone elses. Some people just want to get what they need and go, and I understand that, I just don't feel that way myself.

Oh and since I live inside the wards practically, sometimes people come to me directly and ask for a discount on what I'm selling on my retainer and I give it to them, sometimes we negotiate buying in bulk price. Like "Hey, I'll buy these 4 spears from you, can you give it to me for 40k each?" Stuff like that you just can't do with the auction house.

Since, Limsa Market Wards is kinda small, I actually do know who my neighbors are. There's like 4-6 of us selling in battlecraft, and sometimes I do ask them not to sell their stuff too high or too low.

I like the market wards too, but there's one thing I'd like to see SE do to improve it. I've been looking for a green cotton bandana for a while now but it always seems to be sold out, or no one makes them anymore and has been sold out for a while. What I'm suggesting is, even though the green bandana item icon is still there even though it's sold out, I can click on it and have the option to commision someone to make it for me. Or just show crafters that there are people that would buy that item. That way crafters know what will sell and what would just sit there for weeks.

Kind of like this.
*Player sees Iron Spear for sale but can't buy it since it's sold out*
*Player clicks on the icon and gets the option to commision/let crafters know that someone would like to buy it*
*Crafters see this and decide to make one and put it for sale in the market*
*Player goes back the next day to see that there's an Iron Spear available for purchase*
*Player gets his/her spear and crafter gets his/her gil*

Maybe you can even have the option to name who wants to buy said item.

I like them too! An alternative to AH for sure.

Haters gonna hate =)

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I like them too! An alternative to AH for sure.

Haters gonna hate =)

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Not really much hating, more like constructive discussion ;)

Either way though, im sure SE will settle on something eventually, may just take a bit of time to see the system come to fruition. As it stands now though, im almost 100% positive that we will see changes and improvements to the current ward system. I only hope SE uses some of the suggestions we have brought up in these topics to continue making a quality game!

See yall around ;)

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Originally Posted by insaneshadow

I like the market wards too, but there's one thing I'd like to see SE do to improve it. I've been looking for a green cotton bandana for a while now but it always seems to be sold out, or no one makes them anymore and has been sold out for a while. What I'm suggesting is, even though the green bandana item icon is still there even though it's sold out, I can click on it and have the option to commision someone to make it for me. Or just show crafters that there are people that would buy that item. That way crafters know what will sell and what would just sit there for weeks.

Kind of like this.
*Player sees Iron Spear for sale but can't buy it since it's sold out*
*Player clicks on the icon and gets the option to commision/let crafters know that someone would like to buy it*
*Crafters see this and decide to make one and put it for sale in the market*
*Player goes back the next day to see that there's an Iron Spear available for purchase*
*Player gets his/her spear and crafter gets his/her gil*

Maybe you can even have the option to name who wants to buy said item.

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I believe you can do this already but you have to do it to yourself or your retainer, just like you put up seeking items on your bazaar for like sheepskins and shards, and someone with the item in their inventory can just directly sell it to you, without you being there, and they automatically get the gil you put up. I haven't tested it yet if you can do these on weapons or armor yet though. I usually search the wards for what is available and what is not to get an idea of what to make next.