Concerning New servers and maintenance (please read)

Please read and keep this bumped so that some may see it before posting another "Why aren't SE doing anything?" topic.

This is a quote directly from the front page news on the Lodestone News section.

"To resolve this issue, we will be performing maintenance from September 3, 2013, at 5:00 p.m. to September 4, 2013, at 3:00 a.m (PDT), for the purpose of increasing the number of available Worlds, reducing stress on the Duty Finder servers, and increasing the number of concurrent logins allowed for each server."

The complete news item is here.

Thanks!

But I wanna play today!! 30 mins of constant login attempts, all ending in 1017 :-(

(Also free bump for OP's noble cause)

But what are we supposed to complain about then if we manage to get into the superfull worlds after maintenance?? Too much people around? :D

Here's what i am worrying about,

They increase the server cap, sure, but this allows more people to just AFK all day, it won't take long before all of this happens again.

Everyone knows they have no AFK kick, so why bother logging out?

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Originally Posted by Espio0

Everyone knows they have no AFK kick, so why bother logging out?

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Replying respectfully, I think the only reason people are staying logged in now is for fear of 1017. There is no reason to stay logged in otherwise... You do not gain any additional benefit by doing so. XI had the ability to stay logged in as well, and after that rocky launch stabilized, a good majority of people logged out whenever AFKing for long periods of time.

I will gladly switch servers just to play the game.

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Originally Posted by mandodo69

I will gladly switch servers just to play the game.

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I wanna stay in my server but I'm feeling like you at this point...
I just don't wanna go on a dead server the net few months lol.

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Originally Posted by Rozes

Replying respectfully, I think the only reason people are staying logged in now is for fear of 1017. There is no reason to stay logged in otherwise...

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i know, i don't AFK to just make sure i have a spot, like the majority are doing right now, since it is disrespectfull to other customers who deserve to play as much as the next person.

i hope the upcoming maintenance finally solves the issue at hand, but i have this strong feeling people will keep AFKing untill a proper system is put in place.

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Originally Posted by Espio0

Here's what i am worrying about,

They increase the server cap, sure, but this allows more people to just AFK all day, it won't take long before all of this happens again.

Everyone knows they have no AFK kick, so why bother logging out?

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With a higher concurrent user cap, it will be easier to login, people will worry less about having to AFK and stop doing it, as more people stop worrying and AFKing, it will become better and better. In the same way that the number of AFKers has snowballed because people are having problems and fear is making them act in a selfish way, when those fears are calmed, they will stop AFKing and the problem will disappear as quickly as it arose.

It's a classic feedback loop. when the servers were too busy, people got fed up waiting and some decided to AFK for long periods of time, which artificially increases the concurrent user count. that made the login problem worse, so when people finally got logged in they were more likely to go AFK instead of logging out, this loop repeats until the servers are in the state they are in now with potentially 1000s of AFK players per server.

We need to get this feedback loop to go from being a vicious cycle to being a virtuous cycle where things improve. So, by increasing the concurrent user count and restarting servers, it will be easier for people to login. gradually people will relax a little and stop AFKing, when they stop AFKing, the concurrent session load will diminish again, making it easier for people to login which will make even more people decide not to AFK, and so on, until the server achieves a more normal operating cycle and people are no longer selfishly blocking others by AFKing. Unfortunately, I bet it takes a bit longer for this to happen than it did for people to fill the servers up.

Edit: Of course even adding a simple AFK timer with sufficient smarts to defeat auto-firing controllers will help greatly as well, even if bots can defeat the AFK timer, it will reduce the AFK population enough to have the desired effect.

With ffxi... I mean you had the bazaar system... but now in here there's no such thing and no reason to stay logged in when you're done playing.. other than to piss people off lol

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Originally Posted by allstar3339

With ffxi... I mean you had the bazaar system... but now in here there's no such thing and no reason to stay logged in when you're done playing.. other than to piss people off lol

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Exactly, people need to grow up and be part of a community and help each other, not be selfish and look out for #1.

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Originally Posted by Rozes

Replying respectfully, I think the only reason people are staying logged in now is for fear of 1017. There is no reason to stay logged in otherwise... You do not gain any additional benefit by doing so. XI had the ability to stay logged in as well, and after that rocky launch stabilized, a good majority of people logged out whenever AFKing for long periods of time.

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Lets not forget the self-manned markets which only had a benefit from sitting in town AFK in FFXI. Can't sell your stuff( aside from the AH) without being AFK. mostly because the AH had like a 5-10 item sell limit iirc.

WTB afk implementation by SE immediately as adding servers/capacity is just a band aid and not an overall good solution.

/10char bump

/ 10 character bump

Dunno why most of you are complaining, there's a lot of us who haven't been able to play for the past 3-5 days at all due to service account issues and other issues with registration. BE HAPPY THAT YOU PLAYED.

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Originally Posted by Espio0

Here's what i am worrying about,

They increase the server cap, sure, but this allows more people to just AFK all day, it won't take long before all of this happens again.

Everyone knows they have no AFK kick, so why bother logging out?

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the afk kick is being looked at.. search in forums etc..

/10char bump

/10 character bump

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Originally Posted by Rozes

Replying respectfully, I think the only reason people are staying logged in now is for fear of 1017. There is no reason to stay logged in otherwise... You do not gain any additional benefit by doing so. XI had the ability to stay logged in as well, and after that rocky launch stabilized, a good majority of people logged out whenever AFKing for long periods of time.

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This. Also, no log in queue for when the servers are busy. Log in queues I can deal with, because it means eventually I'm going to get in without spamming log in attempts. "Oh, 500 people ahead of me? Well, I'll do something else for an hour until my turn comes up." Come back an hour later, my character is probably ready to play. No log in queue: "WTF?! When I do get in, I'm not logging out for lunch, dinner, going to the grocery store, and since I can't log in tomorrow morning I'm going to just stay logged in overnight."

My concern is the legacy player servers (which in all honesty, were probably player capped and full the first day of early access). Characters from 1.0 were limited to a handful of servers that as of now can't get off or transfer. And in game where there basically no alt characters (because your character can play all the classes, do all the crafts, EVERYTHING as long as they have the inventory space) not being able to log into one restricted server is disastrous. I don't have problems transferring at this point but I want to play my original character, not make a whole new one and start over from scratch on another server. New worlds are great and all, but they don't do me much good if I'm still stuck on one server.

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Originally Posted by imabusyman

WTB afk implementation by SE immediately as adding servers/capacity is just a band aid and not an overall good solution.

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Actually afk kick is more likely the band-aid. if there are 10k people trying to get on to a 5k slots. Even if 90% of the people were afk which isnt the case you would still hit the wall. Also I don't believe they are actually allowing the true server cap in becuase the login/df/lobby systems all seem to be linked and the double stress of login/df is causing them to crash. The fixes for duty finder should help the login as well as expanded capacity and new servers.

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Originally Posted by bwalker36

Actually afk kick is more likely the band-aid. if there are 10k people trying to get on to a 5k slots. Even if 90% of the people were afk which isnt the case you would still hit the wall. Also I don't believe they are actually allowing the true server cap in becuase the login/df/lobby systems all seem to be linked and the double stress of login/df is causing them to crash. The fixes for duty finder should help the login as well as expanded capacity and new servers.

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We can hope.

Just give us a queue that works, least then we could afk and watch a movie or something not click 10,000 times.

or at least show us when an opening is available. How am I supposed to wait until an opening is available? All worlds are online and thats all I can tell.
AFK people should be kicked off, but the time limit has to be long enough for a reasonable afk period. I'm thinking once your afk for an hour you should be kicked

I am freaking sick of this "Don't worry, it will be fixed in the future" attitude.

In general i don't mind, but this is reaching a stupid level.
Half the people in my FC can't login, people miss out on events.
People don't get stuff done and the competition is ruined.
On top of that, some people getting 2 resets for Tomestones of Mythology while the majority is stuck at 300/300? Are you freaking kidding me, SE?

My girlfriend lives a bit further away and we're both totally into the game.
She took 2 weeks off work, and we wanted to spend those 2 weeks together in a productive manner and progress together.
SE is totally ruining this and runing her time off on top of that.
Pretty freaking upset about this, this is just getting inacceptable at some point.

And excuse my language, but already changed the f word to another f word.

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Originally Posted by ShinMetsu

And excuse my language,

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How is any of that related to the topic?

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

I wanna stay in my server but I'm feeling like you at this point...
I just don't wanna go on a dead server the net few months lol.

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None of the EU/NA servers accepts new chars anymore. So a few more servers and a possible free transfer won't really help solving the issues ... probably

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Originally Posted by c2pbro

None of the EU/NA servers accepts new chars anymore. So a few more servers and a possible free transfer won't really help solving the issues ... probably

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New servers are empty, and so by definition they will help the problem simply because new characters will be enabled on them, so I'm not sure how you think more servers won't help the issue of NA/EU servers not accepting any more new characters.

they will complain about all the people