Signs of immaturity in an MMO developer

1. Not being prepared for launch after extensive beta testing.

2. Response to launch problems takes longer than a few days.

3. No (real) concessions offered for failure to provide the advertised product.

4. No queues available for an orderly login system even if immediate login is not a possibility.

5. Gold spam is alive and well inside the game. No competent filtering system. Must individually blacklist each one as a player to claim back your chat.

6. Relaunch a game because of failures and broken promises, new game starts with failures and broken promises.

Really Square Enix? This long making game - and this being the SECOND attempt at the same game and you can't get it right?

Maybe this should be the final final fantasy so as to avoid further embarrassment?


And for all the "Dun be so rude, dey be trying real hard!" responders, save your breath. It's perfectly understandable people would want to vent after disappointment and hard earned money wasted.

Can we write a list based on immature MMO players now?

1) Person who writes lists about a job he/she obviously doesn't have and/or understand



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Second attempt at same game. THIRD MMO. So yeah, they knew better than to make these mistakes. Really is no excuse other than they planned and reacted extremely poorly.

I think Travis would of had better luck making this game than Yoshi.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ8-ETHE9AI

Not to be a white knighter here, although I think the term is suppose to be degrading and yet has it's own niceness about it. SE has clearly stated there will be an extension of a free trial, and hard earned money is sad to say. But at most it's $50 for CE which is 5 hours of your work at minimum wage? Not really that hard earned.

Everyone has the issue, and people need to calm down about it.

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Originally Posted by Kikia_Laloo

Can we write a list based on immature MMO players now?

1) Person who writes lists about a job he/she obviously doesn't have and/or understand



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Why can't a consumer be frustrated with a product not delivered as promised? My understanding has no bearing on whether or not they failed. Be as technical as you want, but all my frustrations aren't invalidated in the face of your sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Saucman

Why can't a consumer be frustrated with a product not delivered as promised? My understanding has no bearing on whether or not they failed. Be as technical as you want, but all my frustrations aren't invalidated in the face of your sarcasm.

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Being frustrated is one thing. Calling out people based on a situation you don't understand because you don't have the training and experience in is a completely different story.

I think the big problem was when they announced aug 27 launch date... The way the game feels now and how bugged it is, I wouldn't mind another month of phase 4 testing until the login bugs were fixed. They listened to us thoroughly from alpha-beta 3. Things got crazy from beta 4 until today

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Originally Posted by Kikia_Laloo

Can we write a list based on immature MMO players now?

1) Person who writes lists about a job he/she obviously doesn't have and/or understand



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I've seen a few of your posts now. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you defending a huge company's obvious failures?
Maybe you can tell everyone why they failed to look at how many people pre-ordered. Because all they had to do was look at that number and they would have known their servers couldn't handle it. Servers filled day one, they filled in beta phase 4.
Using "all MMO's have problems at launch" is inadequate. While true, most MMO's are first-timers, and even then they don't simply refuse people access and take this long to fix it. This is SE's third MMO, they aren't new to the game.

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Originally Posted by YinShi

But at most it's $50 for CE which is 5 hours of your work at minimum wage?

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No, and no. People have spent $100's of dollars on this game. Also, where do you live that $10 is minimum wage? I'd like to move there.

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Originally Posted by Kikia_Laloo

Being frustrated is one thing. Calling out people based on a situation you don't understand because you don't have the training and experience in is a completely different story.

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That's a cute thought, Kikia. But as a manager of a very high volume retail store how do you see this scenario playing out?

Customer: "You sold me this thing and its broken, I'm angry and would like a refund."
Me: "Ma'am, you really have no right to be frustrated since you aren't running a high volume retail store. Maybe if you understood more about what is required to produce, ship, and merchandise that product before you bought it broken you'd be less angry. You should be patient and wait for us to give you a product that works a week from now. We have no interest in refunding your product."

What do you think the chance is I lose this job following this conversation? Or have to call the police on a violent customer?

The answer is very high.

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Originally Posted by YinShi

Not to be a white knighter here, although I think the term is suppose to be degrading and yet has it's own niceness about it. SE has clearly stated there will be an extension of a free trial, and hard earned money is sad to say. But at most it's $50 for CE which is 5 hours of your work at minimum wage? Not really that hard earned.

Everyone has the issue, and people need to calm down about it.

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Where did you learn math? Get off the internet... At least this helps get a glance into the minds of white knights. They are obviously clueless people who don't live in the real world. Minimum wage is $10 and I'm sure your dad who sells propane and propane accessories (and also pays for your game and subscription) makes a million dollars a year right?

Newfoundland, Canada, has 10 dollar min wage

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Newfoundland, Canada, has 10 dollar min wage

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And now we know the one good thing about Newfoundland?

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Newfoundland, Canada, has 10 dollar min wage

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And what does a copy of ARR cost?

Theres nothing wrong with being angry at the current situation but you guys are acting as if there is never going to be a fix. Will you relax already. We all got word that an upgrade is on its way; just a couple hours from now. All we need right now is patience, no amount of flaming or angry rants will make the fix come sooner.

So what if the game is only $30 or $50 and you can get that within couple hours. Don't blame people for getting upset that they wasted their money on purchasing this game. If you spend money and realize you didn't get what you payed for, yeah your going to be a bit pissed at yourself and the product. Im sure any normal person would be mad when they look back and ask themselves" why did I work 5 hours to make $50 for a game that doesn't entertain me. on a funnier note my desk keyboard holder fell apart from me spamming the num lock 0 key in the past few days..o.O. one moment im pressing num lock, the next i hear a crack and bam. there goes the bottom half of my desk..And for once it wasn't from rage.

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Originally Posted by Eibon

No, and no. People have spent $100's of dollars on this game. Also, where do you live that $10 is minimum wage? I'd like to move there.

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In Canada, with an average of $10.00 / HR.
If you were to convert that into USD, it's actually quite heavy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ages_in_Canada

Living expenses are very heavy in Canada as well, Cell Phone is approximately $50/Month, Rents $900+/Month, Transportation $128.50/Month cost of food and other means.
The average people in Canada cannot afford standard of living as is, so $50 is a lot to many people here.

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Originally Posted by AVXI

I've seen a few of your posts now. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you defending a huge company's obvious failures?
Maybe you can tell everyone why they failed to look at how many people pre-ordered. Because all they had to do was look at that number and they would have known their servers couldn't handle it. Servers filled day one, they filled in beta phase 4.
Using "all MMO's have problems at launch" is inadequate. While true, most MMO's are first-timers, and even then they don't simply refuse people access and take this long to fix it. This is SE's third MMO, they aren't new to the game.

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Sometimes people are such fanboys/girls and they hope for the best for a company andor series they love that it is blinding.. I love FF, but I can admit I've dealt with better from other companies.

SE Has some solving to do and I think it is too late to implement what should have been in.

Fanboys and Fangirls will always turn into ignorance when their idols are being smashed. There's no doubt about it, Square Enix is at fault. There are countless things they could have done to at least improve their service. The biggest problem people face now is how it takes a damn while to be able to log in and play.

1. Kick people who are AFK for more than 15 minutes. Seriously, this thing is one of the basics in MULTI-MASSIVE Online Games. There are these scum people who'd rather leave their characters AFK for hours when they're not playing so they won't get problems trying to login again, denying other players from their right to play.
2. Give us a proper queue. Why give us an error 1017 if you can give us a queue window?
3. Fix your queue. Most of the time I get disconnected from the lobby when I get a queue higher than 30.

I'm sure there have been countless people who've recommended this, but I don't get it why SE hasn't done a thing about it. Don't tell me I'm such a prick and is being impatient. I'm a busy man and I go to work. I can only give myself 2 hours at most to play a game during weekdays due to my busy schedule and I feel frustrated how I spend those 2 hours trying to login and get past Error 1017. How about weekends? I find it harder to play on weekends because a lot of people are trying to play as well. I'll admit that I'm not patient enough to sit for 3 hours trying to compete with thousands of people trying to log in. As a result, I've only gotten to level 15 since launch.

Seriously, Square Enix should learn from Arena Net on how to handle newly released games. Arena Net did a very good job handling the massive amount of players in Guild Wars 2 Launch.

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Originally Posted by Kyonitot

Seriously, Square Enix should learn from Arena Net on how to handle newly released games. Arena Net did a very good job handling the massive amount of players in Guild Wars 2 Launch.

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I like Guild Wars/Guild Wars 2 :) never had any issue logging in or playing for that matter.

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Originally Posted by YinShi

Not to be a white knighter here, although I think the term is suppose to be degrading and yet has it's own niceness about it. SE has clearly stated there will be an extension of a free trial, and hard earned money is sad to say. But at most it's $50 for CE which is 5 hours of your work at minimum wage? Not really that hard earned.

Everyone has the issue, and people need to calm down about it.

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I'd like to offer you a free trip as compensation for your time.
The vacation will begin on the 5th of September until the 12th.
Unfortunately, the only flight available will arrive on the 15th, enjoy your free trip on us!

Wow.. your not very intelligent, are you OP?

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Originally Posted by AVXI

I've seen a few of your posts now. What exactly are you trying to accomplish? Why are you defending a huge company's obvious failures?
Maybe you can tell everyone why they failed to look at how many people pre-ordered. Because all they had to do was look at that number and they would have known their servers couldn't handle it. Servers filled day one, they filled in beta phase 4.
Using "all MMO's have problems at launch" is inadequate. While true, most MMO's are first-timers, and even then they don't simply refuse people access and take this long to fix it. This is SE's third MMO, they aren't new to the game.

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People are always going to have opinions that differ from your own.

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Originally Posted by MetaDIME

Theres nothing wrong with being angry at the current situation but you guys are acting as if there is never going to be a fix. Will you relax already. We all got word that an upgrade is on its way; just a couple hours from now. All we need right now is patience, no amount of flaming or angry rants will make the fix come sooner.

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A couple of hours.... You are away that the times on this 'fix' pretty much eliminate the entire primetime for North America right?
[Date & Time]
From Sep. 3, 2013 5:00 p.m. to Sep. 4, 2013 3:00 a.m. (PDT)

So thats another day that no one will be playing, but lets all be happy about it and pump some sunshine.

How about this one:

1: Make half the bosses in the game with mechanics that require you to avoid AOE attacks.

2: make these bosses mandatory for story progression.

3: Find out in Beta 3 that a large cunk of mostly European players are having latency issues with said attacks.

4: Record this as a bug, but leave it unfixed and release the game.

*slow clap*

http://i40.tinypic.com/15i17xi.jpg

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Originally Posted by Saucman

1. Not being prepared for launch after extensive beta testing.

2. Response to launch problems takes longer than a few days.

3. No (real) concessions offered for failure to provide the advertised product.

4. No queues available for an orderly login system even if immediate login is not a possibility.

5. Gold spam is alive and well inside the game. No competent filtering system. Must individually blacklist each one as a player to claim back your chat.

6. Relaunch a game because of failures and broken promises, new game starts with failures and broken promises.

Really Square Enix? This long making game - and this being the SECOND attempt at the same game and you can't get it right?

Maybe this should be the final final fantasy so as to avoid further embarrassment?


And for all the "Dun be so rude, dey be trying real hard!" responders, save your breath. It's perfectly understandable people would want to vent after disappointment and hard earned money wasted.

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1. There were ready for the amount of people that played during beta. However, the actual amount of players far exceeded the beta amounts by a very large margin, as seen during early access and into launch. Beta testing can only get you so far. For one, not everyone who purchases or plays the game beta tests. In fact, the numbers are obscenely one sided. As there was no sign of it either, unlike say...a more recent example.

Diablo III. Yes, it isn't an MMO per say, but it is an online only game that requires you to connect to servers to play. It was beta tested a LOT. In fact, even in the beta, the severs crashed, with Blizzard stating that as many as 300,000 concurrent users were on at any give time, which is an obscene amount. Prior to Diablo III launch, Amazon, among many other retailers, provided record breaking pre-orders. Blizzard knew this was coming. Blizzard also happens to run servers for the largest MMO of all time, World of Warcraft. So it shouldn't have surprised them. However, it DID. And it was way worse then this. A couple reasons. One, they knew that they had a huge game. (Although to say that they knew it would be the fastest selling PC game within 24 hours ever would a tad unfair). It sold 3.5 million within the first 24 hours and 6.5 million in the first WEEK.

So, Diablo III, at it's peak in beta, hit 300,000 people logged in at once, and it broke the servers. So why weren't they prepared? Even with the pre-order records, you simply cannot anticipate that big of a release. Look, you can't just buy servers and data centers and give a big thumbs up. For every server or data center, it requires STAFF and PAID MAN HOURS to run. So even with extensive testing, you can sort of guess where you are going to be at, but until it happens, you are guessing. And these guys aren't guessing with your money. They are guessing with THEIR money. What if they are wrong, and waste huge amounts of money for no reason? At a business standpoint, it is better to be in demand than overstocked. No business want's to be overstocked. That is silly. They want to sell everything they have on the shelf. Diablo III as of this past march has 1 million daily unique players, 3 millions unique a month, with a total of 14.5 million unique players total.

Now you ask, how could they not have been prepared? Well, they kind of were. They monitored preorder sales, previous Blizzard titles sells (like Starcraft, World of Warcraft+explansions), and even other top selling PC games. They increased server capacity, well above estimates. It wasn't enough,because Blizzard has never gone from 0 to more than 6 million players across multiple continents within a few days with a brand-new game. THAT is why Diablo II had server problems. It exceeded even the most OPTIMISTIC expectations. And in business, you almost never even bet on the most optimistic. Look at movie ticket sales. All major companies predict their expected opening weekend sales. Some exceed, some bomb. The point is, there is always a number to look at and say "we should be here based on this factual information". Diablo III, and to conclude, Final Fantasy XIV, exceeded even best numbers based on their betas, marketing, and preorder numbers.

2. That is incorrect. They have provided news and updates since early access. On August 27th, the launch day btw for official release, they announced they were expanding data center worlds for North American and European servers. They cut off multiple character creation on high population servers to try and cull the above expected sales of the game. (by limited one account to one character, it provides more room on their data centers so that brand new accounts can make characters and slows down the filling of said data centers until they can be properly expanded.) They STOPPED the digital sale of their game to prevent even more server issues so that people that have already paid would have less issues. In other words....they stopped selling their product, the thing that makes them money, so that current customers could have a smoother experience.

And if you are saying that it's taking them more then a few days to fix the issue, well no kidding. There isn't a magical switch to add more room. There isn't a magical switch to increase their data center capacity.

3. They are given away free days of play because of the login troubles. It isn't that the product is broke, it's that the product is trying to be used by far more people then anyone anticipated. So while you may not be playing on August 27th 24 hours a day, they have announced that you will be compensated for not being able to by extending your free month of play.

4. It isn't that there are not queue systems, it's that they are having to cap it because of the extreme load. As an example, say a server is full. Now, say you keep letting players queue up. That takes away from the bandwidth of the server. Eventually, this would cause extreme server instability. And that is exactly what happened when EA launched, and exactly why they are closely monitoring it. When Cataclysm launched, server queues reached the 2000's, which was around a 2 hour wait time. The way Square is doing is, is what when the server get under a certain user amount, around a 200 queue limit opens up. Currently, when the server gets below a certain number of users, the queue system opens and let's in a batch of players, and then closes again when the server gets above that user limit again. What this does is provide a smooth experience for players currently playing (I always have an excellent connection to my server) while preventing the server from becoming bogged down by server queues and crashing.

5. There hasn't been a single MMO that I have been apart of since EQ that didn't have gold spammers and that didn't find a way around any sort of counter measure. Blacklist them and report them. This is how it works in almost every MMO.

Venting is fine. Spewing information you know nothing about is not. How exactly is your hard earned money wasted? Are you saying you expect to never play the game at all? It's been exactly one week since official launch. An MMO is a unique product, both in the video game world and in the business world. This is actually expected to happen because it is positively impossible to have a perfect launch. No major MMO has ever come close. Between server and computer issues on a client to client basis, it's impossible. You cannot name me one major MMO that this hasn't happened to. In fact, this launch has been pretty damn smooth compared to the dozens upon dozens I've been apart of. The fact that the only fault of Square Enix was not being able to predict to future, is pretty damn impressive. No one saw the popularity spike coming. Pre-orders were not high. Hype was not high. There hasn't been a huge marketing campaign. Instead of being upset that the game you bought is so popular that Square Enix are spending more money then expected to ensure everyone can play as quickly and as smoothly as possible, you should be happy you didn't buy a 60 dollar MMO that was dead on arrival, and one that shows a extreme amount of promise and player base potential.

And to follow up on Diablo III, and how it doesn't matter how prepared you are or how many servers you have, or how many betas, etc. I am going to throwing some numbers at you. These are numbers from WoW, and Blizzard as a company in general. This numbers were current as of 2009. Why am I using 5 year old numbers? Well, WoW peaked to it's highest sub base around later 2011 to early 2012, so I didn't want to grab them at it's highest. It also shows just how much it takes to run a successful MMO, even years after launch, and still have problems releasing a huge title like Diablo III, even when your biggest income from WoW was coming at the release of Diablo III. Anyway, here is just a few numbers for you to think about the next time you are pissed a server is down. (and let's remember, WoW uses a much more basic engine compared to current MMO's, and while it has been updated, it doesn't take near the bandwidth because of the simpler textures, the more basic spell effects, etc)

When WOW Launched Blizzard had:

60 Devs working on WoW
400 total employee's

2009:
4600+ Employees Worldwide

World of Warcraft had as of 2009:
5,500,000 – Lines of code
1,500,000 – Art assets
33,681 – Production tasks
70,167 – Spells
37,537 – NPCs (non-player characters)
27 – Hours of music
2600 – Quests in the original World of Warcraft
2700+ – Additional quests in WoW: The Burning Crusade
2350+ – Additional quests in WoW: Wrath of the Lich King
7650+ – Quests total (how many have you finished?)
4,449,680,399 – Achievements earned by players since their implementation

WoW has had 4.7– Petabytes (4700 terabytes) of data delivered to players through patches as of 2009 (would you like to go and estimate the bandwidth cost of that?)

In 2009, WoW had:

13,250 – Server blades running WoW servers, with a total of
75,000 – CPU cores, and
112.5 – Terabytes of RAM

I wonder how much running 13,250 server blades cost running? In just electricity alone? Replacement parts? Cooling? Oh now let's get to where the REAL money is spent

In 2009, Blizzard had:

Support:

2,056 – Game masters (let's be nice and say they got paid 20,000 a year. That is 41,112,00 dollars just for in game GM. That doesn't include health care costs, taxes, but just basic salary.

340 Employee's in the billing department

2,584 Total customer service employee's (again, the 20k a year salary.... that is 51,680,000 dollars just in salary alone. and I am being VERY generous with these salary numbers. VERY)

They also had 1,724 employee's in international offices.

I think that is enough to at least dent a little sense into you the next time you want to complain about a product like an MMO in it's first week of launch that could potentially prove you 1000's hours of entertainment at the inital 60 dollar investment and around 180 bucks a year if you paid every month the 14.99. Let's say you bought the three highest selling and anticipated games this year. Grand Theft Auto 5, Call of Duty, and eh another major franchise of your choosing. That is 180 bucks that I promise you you wouldn't get NEAR the amount of content and time played as a major MMO.

Anyway,I think you get the point.

MMO's are a different product then any video game or other product you buy. It's a very complex product that needs 24/7 support. PAID support. Anyone in this thread bitching about the first week, has either never played an MMO before, or are trolling.

you forgot the following 2013 MMO standards

1 No AFK kicker
2 No right click block ignore function (I don't was to type player names in myself thanks)
3 No proper item link in chat windows

1. Doesn't matter. Numerous ways around not being afk (while actually being afk)
2. Sorry, that is a feature, not a standard. But thank for letting us know how lazy you are.
3. Again, a feature, not a standard.

Your defending of basic missing features in a re launched game in 2013 is odd, your claim in an earlier post to be "intelligent" is also odd as you managed to include an insult in response 2

If you like the game fine, but blindly defending it in every post, regardless of the merits of those posts is rather strange.

People defended 1.0 too, This game is far better, but its not perfect as you seem to suggest, not by a long way.

Here's hoping it is in a few months time

If the anti-afk feature did not serve a purpose and wasn't at least minimally effective at reducing server congestion, why wouldn't every MMO just exclude it? I have never personally played an MMO where there wasn't a form of anti-afk in place. It's obviously there for a reason in those other MMOs. As far as there being ways around the anti-afk feature, that doesn't matter. The only point at which the feature would not be helpful in ANY way, would be if 100% of the population circumvented the anti-afk. The likelyhood of that is nil. You'll have people who will circumvent it, yes, but unless that number is 100% of the people who go afk for any reason, then the feature is helpful.

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Anyway,I think you get the point.

MMO's are a different product then any video game or other product you buy. It's a very complex product that needs 24/7 support. PAID support. Anyone in this thread bitching about the first week, has either never played an MMO before, or are trolling.

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First week? I've been waiting for FFXIV to get fixed up for almost 3 years lol, 3 years of repair work and countless apologies / letters from the producer and yet they still botch it up. I consider this unsatisfactory. I played FFXI for 10 years and it was great, but I really hoped that a day would eventually come when XIV can exceed it... still waiting for that day...

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Your defending of basic missing features in a re launched game in 2013 is odd, your claim in an earlier post to be "intelligent" is also odd as you managed to include an insult in response 2

If you like the game fine, but blindly defending it in every post, regardless of the merits of those posts is rather strange.

People defended 1.0 too, This game is far better, but its not perfect as you seem to suggest, not by a long way.

Here's hoping it is in a few months time

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I did not defend them. I said they were not standard as you made claim to. They are features, and as such, may or may not be included on a game by game basis.
You just worded your post wrong, I was correcting you. I also mentioned that it didn't matter if the game had an anti afk feature or not. I did not say it was a good or bad feature, just that there are ways around it.

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Originally Posted by Arminus

If the anti-afk feature did not serve a purpose and wasn't at least minimally effective at reducing server congestion, why wouldn't every MMO just exclude it? I have never personally played an MMO where there wasn't a form of anti-afk in place. It's obviously there for a reason in those other MMOs. As far as there being ways around the anti-afk feature, that doesn't matter. The only point at which the feature would not be helpful in ANY way, would be if 100% of the population circumvented the anti-afk. The likelyhood of that is nil. You'll have people who will circumvent it, yes, but unless that number is 100% of the people who go afk for any reason, then the feature is helpful.

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There are benefits for the feature to be sure. It clears server space for someone who is afk for a pre-determined amount of time, that amount being variable from game to game.

Currently, most of the customer base are abusing the fact the anti afk feature is not in this game to stay logged in because they fear having to try and relog back on. However, even with an anti-afk feature, the fact remains that with login issues, people are not going to want to log out if they don't have to, so the majority of player would adopt a method to circumvent the afk feature. And it's not like doing that is complicated. Creating a macro to cast cure or jump on yourself every 30 seconds isn't very hard.... Nor putting a small paper weightt on the camera key to keep rotating the camera to keep you from going afk.

The point was the fact that the feature is even being brought up is because of the login issues, and if the game had one, the complaint would change to players getting around it instead of just not having it at all. So it's pointless to even talk about it.

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Originally Posted by Saucman

1. Not being prepared for launch after extensive beta testing.

2. Response to launch problems takes longer than a few days.

3. No (real) concessions offered for failure to provide the advertised product.

4. No queues available for an orderly login system even if immediate login is not a possibility.

5. Gold spam is alive and well inside the game. No competent filtering system. Must individually blacklist each one as a player to claim back your chat.

6. Relaunch a game because of failures and broken promises, new game starts with failures and broken promises.

Really Square Enix? This long making game - and this being the SECOND attempt at the same game and you can't get it right?

Maybe this should be the final final fantasy so as to avoid further embarrassment?


And for all the "Dun be so rude, dey be trying real hard!" responders, save your breath. It's perfectly understandable people would want to vent after disappointment and hard earned money wasted.

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Blizzard was a super immature MMO developer then if we go by this system for the most part... WoW gets 5/6 of these as well on launch. Blizzard dun fucked up back in the day as well.

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Originally Posted by Arminus

If the anti-afk feature did not serve a purpose and wasn't at least minimally effective at reducing server congestion, why wouldn't every MMO just exclude it? I have never personally played an MMO where there wasn't a form of anti-afk in place. It's obviously there for a reason in those other MMOs. As far as there being ways around the anti-afk feature, that doesn't matter. The only point at which the feature would not be helpful in ANY way, would be if 100% of the population circumvented the anti-afk. The likelyhood of that is nil. You'll have people who will circumvent it, yes, but unless that number is 100% of the people who go afk for any reason, then the feature is helpful.

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The only game I can think of aside from this one w/o the anti-afk is EvE. Which is amazing considering it is only one "world". Then again the population of that game is nowhere in neighborhood of ff14 even (despite being a great game =[ )

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The only game I can think of aside from this one w/o the anti-afk is EvE. Which is amazing considering it is only one "world". Then again the population of that game is nowhere in neighborhood of ff14 even (despite being a great game =[ )

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Well, Eve is the only game where other people DO NOT want you to log out so they can kill you.

But I digress.

While SE certainly did not manage this in the most brilliant of ways, if you are unsatisfied with the product you could have just asked for a refund.
If, instead, you like the game (thus giving SE credit for it), just be patient. Getting mad on the forums is completely useless apart for venting your own frustration - and in this case, punching a wall would have the same effect without clogging this forum with useless banter.