I really hate this. WHy do they do this? I understand if your away from party leader and/or other members and kill something they shouldn't get SP but come on YOU should still get SP for it. I bring this up because if they go afk they have to put auto follow on just so when you kill something you get SP for kills. Their are times when your duoing and party leader goes afk and you still kill mobs. I want the dam SP for it. I'm ok with no SP if your to far from their kills but no SP if you kill something and your not party leader is a bad design.
Anyone else like/hate the design?
No SP when your to far from leader.
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04-09-2011, 09:26 AMFrebautNo SP when your to far from leader.
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04-09-2011, 09:57 AMFrebaut
LMAO ok i guess this isn't an issue because their are no parties....
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04-09-2011, 10:02 AMJibe
I think this is in place to stop someone from joining a party, then going afk and letting someone kill all the mobs for them so they can rank up while afk. So ya, if that's the case they need to leave this in.
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04-09-2011, 10:17 AMGriss
there are other issues surrounding the party mechanic that could use some looking at or tweaking as a whole. If not now then some where along the road. Not being able to lay "Claim" on a mob because the party leader is elsewhere is one of them. Not being able to initiate a teleport because the rest of your party is on the other side of eorzea fighting something is also annoying. Not being able to drop out of a party because some one is on the other side of eorzea is fighting something is also highly aggravating. i can understand them blocking people joining during combat, but leaving?
I look at the stumbling blocks put in place and i can understand why they were put there, but in some cases they are very counter productive.
last week our group was doing our weekly nm round up and smash. we had just come from killing bloatbelly and were engaged with the great buffalo. Dumbass me forgot to attune to the baldknol aether, it slipped my mind. something went haywire and i ended up trying to stop Onrush with my face (note i wasn't that successful at it). Knowing it would be more efficent to just return and make the short jog back i hit the return, it was round about then that it clicked in my head that "Hey dummy the last aether you touched was tree speak". Due to the teleport lockout and my stupidity i had to sit out the rest of the fight.
I figure i have about two more weeks of every one reminding me to attune once we hit a camp. lol -
04-09-2011, 01:55 PMWinterclaw
I think this was also done as there was an exploit where people would party up, go to different areas, and get more xp for their solo kills.
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04-09-2011, 03:14 PMXatsh
I see no problem with this, would be crazy easy to exploit other wise.
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04-09-2011, 04:27 PMFrebaut
Exploit. Not sure how you can exploit this. So aparently How i described it didn't come through.
All i want is if your in a party , away from your group/party leader and you kill a mob YOU get SP. As of now if your to far from the Party Leader you do not get SP if you kill a mob.
So what you think i ment was if your far away from the party and kill a mob everyone in the party gets SP? Thats not what i'm asking them to change it to.
Let me make this clear. I'm not saying everyone gets SP just the people in close range of the kill. Close range, NOT clear across the map. If your PARTY LEADER goes afk for a couple minutes you can't kill any mobs that are not close to the Party leader. If you kill a mob to far away from the Party Leader no SP is rewarded for the kill. Because you have to roam to get kills your grinding comes to a halt. Bad design. -
04-09-2011, 04:36 PMFrebautTheir was no explote like the one you are decribing. You always had to be close to the party leader to get SP. Also if you attack more then one mob only the red one gives SP and the other gives less, if its not dead before you kill the first mob attacked or 0 SP if you kill it before the first mob. Just curious have you played FFXIV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winterclaw
You can do this now. lock on another player and set auto run.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jibe
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04-09-2011, 06:15 PMDubont
You're* lrn2spel?
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04-09-2011, 06:26 PMAbriael
If you go afk you shouldn't get SP period. At the very least this mechanic forces you to get on autofollow (that ca be easily lost, and still puts you in harm's way), instead of just going afk in a safe spot and leeching on other people's effort.
I'm all for range limits, and they should stay. -
04-09-2011, 06:32 PMZuellni
I think what TC wants is so that if the party leader is out of range, say in Treespeak, and he is in Nine Ivies, when he fights a Dormouse and kills it, he will still get SP as if he killed it solo while the leader gets no SP.
I think this would make sense. If party members are out of range, I think it would be unwise to still give SP to non-participants and give a party bonus to the person who solos a mob. I also think SE shouldn't penalize other members if the party leader goes afk for extended periods of time. -
04-10-2011, 12:16 AMFrebautThis is pretty much what i'm asking for. If you have played FFXI that is what i want. The only thing i dissagree on is the participating part. At times in Behest the mob dies before you can even get in a hit and for mages what if all your doing is healing? But i guess they could make like a 5-10 min timer of inactivity. So if you do not move or do an action you get zero SP/Exp from the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuellni
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04-10-2011, 01:36 AMVeasna
It should stay as it is, with the exception of the one killing the mob getting the SP and people near to him, not dependant on where the partyleader is.
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04-10-2011, 01:45 AMElkwood
Why should you get SP if you are away from party ...
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04-10-2011, 02:06 AMJinko
Wow at some of the comments in this thread, there is no exploit if you award just the person his XP/SP.
For example if you aren't in range of the leader you get no SP if he kills something however he does and vice versa if you kill something, how could that possibly be exploited.
It's just another stupid limitation put in this game for no real reason. -
04-10-2011, 02:38 AMTheVedisYeahQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
this basicaly sounds like people complaining that they can not sit afk in camp and get sp for what otehrs are doing in the field.
Also, if you are in a different zone then the party leader, you probly shouldnt be in the same party if you are all fighting for sp(maybe time to make a new party) or whatever, there is NO REASON for people to spread out to get sp unless ou are thinking maybe you can find a way to get it faster by exploiting fighting in multiple areas at once. -
04-10-2011, 02:45 AMBelgianRofl^ this.........Quote:
Originally Posted by Frebaut
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04-10-2011, 02:47 AMJinkoWHAT, what about if you want to chat with a group of friends (maybe from different LS's) there are plenty of reason to be in a party and not be in the same zone, doesn't even have to be killing monsters, 2 could be crafting 4 could be grinding SP, 1 could be doing a quest.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
Sure its an unlikely scenario but I don't see why we couldn't do that if we wanted to, more importantly you can do it most other MMO's so why shouldn't we have the option to do it here. -
04-10-2011, 02:48 AMTheVedisthats what a linkshell is forQuote:
Originally Posted by Jinko
using the party system as a crutch for talking, and complaining that you cant get sp cross zone or when ages away isnt an excuse for this complaint
especialy since you DO NOT DESERVE the sp, since after all...you arent even there fighting -
04-10-2011, 04:26 AMAyercI think people are still a bit confused on the topic. This is not to gain SP across the zone. This is simply saying that when a party member kills a mob, the members that killed the mob should get SP for it. Currently, if the party leader is out of range, you cannot claim or receive SP for the kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
I have had many occasions when this has been a problem. Leader dies and bloodports, but whoops, forgot to set homepoint close. The party wants to continue while he runs back to camp, but you can't. You don't get SP.
Party forms in Ul'dah, leader is staying behind to pick up a straggler, party ports to camp early. They can't start fighting because the leader isn't there.
Leader has to go afk for 10-15 min. He stays at the atheryte, but forgets to pass leadership. The party can't continue since he's out of range, and they can't get SP for kills.
Again, not asking for SP across zones, just being able to get SP from a mob you kill when the leader is out of range. -
04-10-2011, 04:42 AMTheVedisby too far away it should be reworded to "in a different zone"Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayerc
and i understand this, honestly, its a VERY EASY remedy
make a new party, new leader, with those in the field
he can always join when he gets back
problem solved
i know it sounds a bit harsh the way i think of things, but you gotta work around the system sometimes,
however, in regard to my earlier comment, some people actualy are complaining here about not getting cross zone SP(they know who they are) -
04-10-2011, 04:55 AMAyercNo, not a different zone, even in the same one. If the party leader isn't within range of the mob itself, you can't claim or get SP for the kill. I.E. being at the Boulder Downs atheryte while the party is just to the east trying to fight a grass raptor.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheVedis
I realize you can make a new party, and that's a simple work-around. The problem this thread is addressing is that we shouldn't have to work-around it. It makes no sense to be implemented the way it is. There's no way to exploit it and there's no advantage a party gets from it, so why is it even in place?
I agree with you though, you shouldn't get SP if you aren't near the mob. Hell, I'd prefer if you can't get SP if you took no action at all during the engagement (are on AFK auto-follow.) -
04-10-2011, 06:06 AMTabion
+1 to OP
I don't know why they felt this was a better party system than in FFXI. Not being able to join a party while in battle, I'll accept that much. But not being able to disband, teleport, or logout is very inconvenient. There have been times where I've been in a party and had to leave or logout and the party just doesn't want to stop fighting or just doesn't see me saying I have to leave because of their fast-moving chat logs. That leaves me to either 1.) start walking to where I have to go or 2.) AFK there if I had to log out.
As for the battle/SP mechanics of partying, they should take some pointers from FFXI. There is no reason a party should be 100% dependant on the party leader, they are only there to manage who gets in and if necessary, who is removed. A party should still be able to claim a mob if the party leader isn't in the immediate area, and get SP for it too. The LEADER and whoever else isn't there with the people actually fighting won't get SP, the same way a regular party member won't get SP or be included in an activated levequest if they are too far away from the group. Allow claiming and SP and implement a distance check, that's all thats to it. No exploiting possible there.