Materia melding stat caps on iLevel 70 armor.

In phase 3 it was figured out the the stat caps on items were the stats that would be shown on the HQ versions, so if you had something with str +5 and the HQ version had str +7, the str cap on that item was +7, so you had to chose something different than str to meld on the HQ item.

I'm not sure whether this is still the case since I ran across a player wearing full weaver AF in phase 4 with triple melded craftsmanship materia all through.

I'm wondering if you would be able to meld intelligence materia on HQ vanya clothing, or strength materia on HQ heavy dark steel armor.

I'm personally considering either acquiring the dark light cowl of casting using my cracked melded gear, but I'm wondering if melding the vanya hat and robe would prove a more powerful alternative.

While I don't yet know enough to dictate any overarching guidelines, I can show you a few examples of stat caps from our FC's crafting efforts in phase 4.

http://i.imgur.com/kp92UaS.png
http://i.imgur.com/biJMQkW.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZxayIoP.png
http://i.imgur.com/kVonGp1.png
http://i.imgur.com/cX9z9OJ.png

Thanks for the examples, I mainly focused on getting all my class quests to 20 before testing out materia etc. Got a lot of work to do for release it seems.

I would go for the darklight cowl of casting simply because it looks way cooler imo, but in actually, a HQ ilvl 70 gears can be more powerful simply because we can stack up to 5 materias on it. Even though Vit and Int are capped on HQ Vanyas, you can add other stats such as critical, spell speed, accuracy, determination, elementals, etc to it while darklight can't.

If you're all about stats, maybe you should consider picking up the Sorcerer's Coat and Sorcerer's Pestasos instead of the darklight cowl since its stats are downright OP...

Oh wait, those requires a different kind of token nvm.

For crafting gear specifically, I can confirm that the existing +craftsmanship on an HQ piece does not exactly correlate with the maximum craftsmanship allowable on that piece.

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Originally Posted by enasccis

I would go for the darklight cowl of casting simply because it looks way cooler imo, but in actually, a HQ ilvl 70 gears can be more powerful simply because we can stack up to 5 materias on it. Even though Vit and Int are capped on HQ Vanyas, you can add other stats such as critical, spell speed, accuracy, determination, elementals, etc to it while darklight can't.

If you're all about stats, maybe you should consider picking up the Sorcerer's Coat and Sorcerer's Pestasos instead of the darklight cowl since its stats are downright OP...

Oh wait, those requires a different kind of token nvm.

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um... if you want to play thm and not blm... you cant wear Sorcerer's Coat

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Originally Posted by carraway

For crafting gear specifically, I can confirm that the existing +craftsmanship on an HQ piece does not exactly correlate with the maximum craftsmanship allowable on that piece.

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I can confirm the same to be true for gathering gear.

Fact of the matter is it would be ridiculous to make the stat caps of crafting and gathering gear equivalent to the stats of HQ versions of said gear because there are only 3 stats that crafters and gatherers need (craft, control and cp / gather, perception, and gp).

It would appear that for battle gear the HQ versions of the gear are at the stat caps for those primary stats but this does not appear to be the case for gathering and crafting classes. In fact, the opposite appears to be true in regards the gathering gear. For example, any given piece of gathering AF is more likely to accept a greater amount of materia correlating to the stat which the gear gives most of. The NQ hamlet hat has 56 perception and will accept a total of +19 in addition to it. While the legs have 28 gathering and 3 perception cap out at +1 perception (4 maximum) but appear to accept more gathering materia.

That is really a good topic. Thank you guys for sharing info. Still, this does not confirm the cap on HQ items. Did anyone test this in phase 4.

This is an interesting conversation so far. Wanted to subscribe to it.

Those melds that carraway posted are interesting, ty for sharing. Its odd how item absorbed so much, I would of thought that stat would of capped much lower.

I crafted a few DoH sets and the botanist set. And luckily enough to HQ on the weavor body piece, what's interesting to me was that the body piece was the only one out of head,body,hand,leg & feet that would give me the full craftmanship stat increase by melding a tier IV materia (+6). I melded 2 tier IV craftmanship = +12 and I think it would allow me to add another 4 craftmanship if I choose to meld a third time (tier II). But with all the other parts, they will not give me full craftmanship stat increase even it would be the 1st materia....again the pants are the worst offender, can only add another 1 craftmanship.

i melded 3 same IV on some gatherer tool without beeing capped (or a crafting tool , dont remember...). i will post SS tomorrow :p

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Originally Posted by debola

I ran across a player wearing full weaver AF in phase 4 with triple melded craftsmanship materia all through.

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Where did they obtain this or the recipe for it? I looked for it, but could not find it anywhere.

all recipes are in crafting log as long as you are near that level.

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Originally Posted by carraway

While I don't yet know enough to dictate any overarching guidelines, I can show you a few examples of stat caps from our FC's crafting efforts in phase 4.

http://i.imgur.com/kp92UaS.png
http://i.imgur.com/biJMQkW.png
http://i.imgur.com/ZxayIoP.png
http://i.imgur.com/kVonGp1.png
http://i.imgur.com/cX9z9OJ.png

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Was 5 materia the max you could put on heavy darksteel chest and legs, or could you go further?

I remember when yoshida was describing forbidden melding, you could forbidden meld onto the slot itself. Tho I didn't witness being able to select the slot to forbidden meld to myself. The way he described it tho, you would be able to get a buttload of materia onto one piece.

I thought you could put stats (i.e. Parry on the Heavy Body) on Darksteel to equal Darklight. Did you get to confirm that in P4?

Are there any awesome recipes for us to craft those gears that would be useful in dungeons?

http://i.imgur.com/Mj8LRxU.png

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Originally Posted by Reika

Was 5 materia the max you could put on heavy darksteel chest and legs, or could you go further?

I remember when yoshida was describing forbidden melding, you could forbidden meld onto the slot itself. Tho I didn't witness being able to select the slot to forbidden meld to myself. The way he described it tho, you would be able to get a buttload of materia onto one piece.

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Yes, 5 materia is still the maximum.

I'm curiously about red text meaning? Is it capped from stat or gear?

In P3 HQ items had their native stats already at cap and it was easy to tell what caps where but the new system is confusing me to hell lol.

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Originally Posted by Android

I'm curiously about red text meaning? Is it capped from stat or gear?

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Red text means that that specific materia is not contributing its full amount due to having reached the given stat's cap. Instead, the actual contributed amount is listed in red.

Quick question:

If you are about to add some materia to an item, do you get any sort of warning or indication that youre about to go beyond cap?

Yes, it will tell you exactly how much you will be receiving.

Does it tell you also whit the salvage NPC when you restauring Materia?

Also you can put Parry materia on it, 13 points worth to make it match Darklights.

http://i.imgur.com/eRekwZ4.jpg

I am having the same issue as this.

I posted in another thread. It tells me the item level is too low for the materia to give the full bonus, even when its not.
:-(

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Originally Posted by Jafnharr

I crafted a few DoH sets and the botanist set. And luckily enough to HQ on the weavor body piece, what's interesting to me was that the body piece was the only one out of head,body,hand,leg & feet that would give me the full craftmanship stat increase by melding a tier IV materia (+6). I melded 2 tier IV craftmanship = +12 and I think it would allow me to add another 4 craftmanship if I choose to meld a third time (tier II). But with all the other parts, they will not give me full craftmanship stat increase even it would be the 1st materia....again the pants are the worst offender, can only add another 1 craftmanship.

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In regards to my last post

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Originally Posted by Matsume

I can confirm the same to be true for gathering gear.

It would appear that for battle gear the HQ versions of the gear are at the stat caps for those primary stats but this does not appear to be the case for gathering and crafting classes. In fact, the opposite appears to be true in regards the gathering gear. For example, any given piece of gathering AF is more likely to accept a greater amount of materia correlating to the stat which the gear gives most of. The NQ hamlet hat has 56 perception and will accept a total of +19 in addition to it. While the legs have 28 gathering and 3 perception cap out at +1 perception (4 maximum) but appear to accept more gathering materia.

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Great info Matsume, Carraway and All. :)

To save people some heartache (wasting trading in Cracked Materia IV's), is there any general "rule" or easy way to tell just how much Crafting or Gathering Stats are acceptable in the highest level Crafting / Gathering Gear?

Matsume's example above shows the Gathering Body accepting +19 Additional Perception, but mentions the Legs only accepts +1(!) more Perception. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.png Ugh.

It sounds like total confusion for those of us wanting to plan out / buy / convert our Materia. I would hate to be stuck with a bunch of Tier IV Materia that I can't use, only because of some Random Stat Cap on one piece of gear that people have to figure out through trial-and-error instead of a more obvious solution. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Acretia

In regards to my last post

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Again, it's pretty retarded. There's no way to even reach the caps required for the two-star recipes without wasting the materia's potential. If you craft another full set of DoH AF, try and see if you can even get beyond 318 Craft or 308 control using what's 'recommended' by the melding system, without losing the full potential of the meld.

I'm not sure if it's supposed to help drive the Culinarian's market or not, since food is absolutely required unless you're sitting in 100% HQ one-star crafting gear with every piece melded and using wasted materia potenial.

The same concept applies to DoL. I'm sitting in Gathering 316, Perception 315 on miner, and you'd think i'd finally have 100% gathering on unspoiled nodes since i'm roughly 50+ points over what was available prior to AF. Nope, still 6-9% failure without action usage.