Yoshi please support linked account benifits

Hello there! I have wanted to bring this up for some time but haven't gotten around to it yet. Back in my days of XI, my husband and I were told it would benefit us both greatly to link our accounts via SE ID. So we agreed, linked up and have hated it ever since.. Issues we face are:

Though we both pay for both XI and XIV which equates to over $60/month were now considered "one person"

Every survey we can only put in one survey when we don't always agree on the same things

Only one of us gets test to alpha/betas

Every mog bonanza done via through the site only ONE of our accounts can participate(Thats a whole lot of husband/wife fighting when it comes down to relic contests)

Every contest we can only apply for once and one of us is always left out

Every forum post can only be done via linked thoughts, so my husbands feelings and posts are judged by my feelings and posts and we can only post as one character so all my posts change to his character if he tries to post as himself


Sure, one of us could buy a new copy, not link it and start there but whomever did so would loose multiple lv 50's rare/ex gear and we would still be stuck on FFXI special events and contests.

This is a lot of cons for someone linking their account to the advice of SE and I can't say I have seen any pros to this situation as of yet so please yoshi, please devs, please SE.. Allow us to un link SE ID or consider that there is a lot of couples out there with linked ID's(at your request) who face this problem all the time. Allow multiple accounts a second chance on contests, even if it was the same person with two accounts they are still paying for two accounts and should have the second chance for the money they spend.

Thank you for your time<3
(please forgive me for mis spelling the title, I hit enter before I noticed "benefits" was spelt wrong*facepalm*)

The issue with this is how would you prove it?
I mean I could make an alt on my account and say its my spouse.
There is no way to prove or disprove the truth.

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Originally Posted by AmandaHuggenkiss

The issue with this is how would you prove it?
I mean I could make an alt on my account and say its my spouse.
There is no way to prove or disprove the truth.

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Its not a alt on a account, it's a separate account linked via SE ID therefore when you start the game your offered FFXIV acc 1 or FFXIV acc 2, so they know the difference.

I doubt that the reps could really help you with that here... maybe you should speak with customer service to see if they can split it...

TOS says accounts are non-transferable which means your screwed. should of payed that extra $50 or $60 when you started.

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Originally Posted by Kirito

I doubt that the reps could really help you with that here... maybe you should speak with customer service to see if they can split it...

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Haha never got me anywhere in XI or here with that question :P
I got tired of arguing over this issue in XI and it's my hopes that maybe yoshi might hear something along these lines and will take this into consideration before XIV has contests and bonanzas. Can't blame a girl for trying :)

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Originally Posted by Kyri

Back in my days of XI, my husband and I were told it would benefit us both greatly to link our accounts via SE ID.

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Who told you this? How would it benefit you?

All your problems are caused by yourselves as you're using the system in a way it's not supposed to be used.

Square Enix accounts are supposed to be personal, as are game accounts. You can't have one SE account in the name of both of you - that should have been the first hint to tell you you're not supposed to share it.

I'm sorry you made the mistake and it can't be undone, but the fault isn't in the system.

you do know its the Marketing department and not Yoshi-P who handles this kind of stuff right o.O

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Originally Posted by indira

TOS says accounts are non-transferable which means your screwed.

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True, but this was a issue originally started back in FFXI, it's my hope to bring this up to maybe get things to run a bit differently in ARR :)

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Originally Posted by Kyri

True, but this was a issue originally started back in FFXI, it's my hope to bring this up to maybe get things to run a bit differently in ARR :)

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SE account the same thing once you add a key to it your stuck with that SE account

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Originally Posted by Kirito

I doubt that the reps could really help you with that here... maybe you should speak with customer service to see if they can split it...

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Well if we judge by EXP on FFXI, you're better off talking to a wall than Customer Service. So honestly, I'd have probably posted here as well.

There is a reason you can't transfer game accounts between SE accounts: it makes selling characters more difficult and prevents characters being removed from hacked accounts, for example.

There are more reasons for not allowing to transfer game accounts than there are for allowing it, as the system works just fine when used as intended.

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Originally Posted by Taika

There is a reason you can't transfer game accounts between SE accounts: it makes selling characters more difficult and prevents characters being removed from hacked accounts, for example.

There are more reasons for not allowing to transfer game accounts than there are for allowing it, as the system works just fine when used as intended.

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That's true, it could lead people to sell their extra legacy accounts...

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

you do know its the Marketing department and not Yoshi-P who handles this kind of stuff right o.O

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Im aware that Yoshi didn't cause this, it's my hopes that the XIV team will see the issue in this and possibly counteract it rather then playing it like XI did

@taika
There were benefits back in XI for SE ID linking, they wanted people to do it as it also made it harder to sell your accounts. It was a long time ago.. the only googled benefit I could find in a few moments notice was a POL statement:

Special In-Game Bonus
Users who complete the transfer process prior to August 31, 2011 will be rewarded with a special in-game item for FINAL FANTASY XI. Additional details are available here.

@ other posts I can see why SE wouldnt want to unlink accounts as it was originally intended to help with security tokens and to keep from selling accounts but my hope isn't just to try to break a account, it's trying to find a simple solution.

Ex: If a SE ID had 2 FFXI accounts and/or two XI accounts(Not alts) linked to it, giving the option to allow two submissions onto surveys or online contests, two possible beta invites, two possible lodestone post options.

It doesn't really combat selling of accounts. People who sell accounts would know better than to link 1 with 1. Even I thought of that back when they first started the SE accounts.

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Originally Posted by Kyri

@taika
There were benefits back in XI for SE ID linking, they wanted people to do it as it also made it harder to sell your accounts. It was a long time ago.. the only googled benefit I could find in a few moments notice was a POL statement:

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Yes I remember this, but I don't understand why you didn't just make two personal SE accounts and link your characters with those, as you were supposed to do.

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Originally Posted by Taika

Yes I remember this, but I don't understand why you didn't just make two personal SE accounts and link your characters with those, as you were supposed to do.

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One token to rule them all.. In fairness I got the token when it was first released in a pretty little box they mailed to me separately, right after my XI boyfriend moved to canada to live with me and we joined up our accounts under SE's advice. As neither of us had no reasoning to try to sell our accounts, we drank the koolaid that was promised to be yummy, we didn't realize we would from then on only be allowed half a drink each. Whats done is done yes, its just my hope that Yoshi might see the flaws not originally stated by SE. Had they said "If you link up you can only apply once to anything we do and any contests", we wouldn't have done it. At the time, they made it sound quite promising.

I understand why you both linked your XI accounts to SE accounts, I just don't understand why you both didn't get your own SE account as you were supposed to do (as the accounts are personal). You would have gotten the same benefits without all this trouble.

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Originally Posted by Taika

I understand why you both linked your XI accounts to SE accounts, I just don't understand why you both didn't get your own SE account as you were supposed to do (as the accounts are personal). You would have gotten the same benefits without all this trouble.

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We were linked via SE ID(XI and XIV) long before POL XI accounts transferred over to the SE member site that handles our XIV accounts. So this all started back before XIV even came out

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Originally Posted by Kyri

We were linked via SE ID(XI and XIV) long before POL XI accounts transferred over to the SE member site that handles our XIV accounts. So this all started back before XIV even came out

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Yes I know, I played XI back then and so did my partner. It didn't even pass our minds to do anything but create our own accounts though, so that's what I don't understand.

I completely agree. The details are fuzzy to me but yes, I remember being urged to link accounts as well with the promise of some tangible benefit. I went ahead and did so for FFXI and FFXIV - they are both on the same account.

(EDIT: Ok now I realize why I did this - to get the useless hermes sandals or whatever that ridiculously stupid item was given to have both FFXI and FFXIV active at once)

Then I went to add my buddy pass. And I paused. After I thought it through I realized I would be completely screwing myself over to have two FFXIV accounts on the same ID. Yes it would only be one security token to keep track of and one payment, but it seemed to be a horrific nightmare otherwise (for all the reasons you listed).

So in the end I created a whole separate SE ID for my buddy pass and I am immensely happy I did. They are both Legacy which means I will have two accounts to use in beta :)

I'm really sorry you're in this mess...........

Me and my husband had one token and at the time there was no talk about the loss of ability's to link to the same SE ID when they were promoting the idea. Hind sights 50/50, im glad that you guys didn't link your account but I feel we are derailing off the post I originally intended. This is just a matter of trying to get out the idea of allowing shared accounts by a SE ID for people in my situation (which I have read of in posts here a long time ago, and through various fan based sites also suffer from) to enjoy the benefits any other account paying has, rather then having to share them as we have in XI. As by way of surveys and beta applications I am seeing a continuance of the issues me and my partner faced in xi, I hope to bring it up so that it may be looked at differently in FFXIV then it was in XI when the idea came out originally.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

I completely agree. The details are fuzzy to me but yes, I remember being urged to link accounts as well with the promise of some tangible benefit. I went ahead and did so for FFXI and FFXIV - they are both on the same account.

(EDIT: Ok now I realize why I did this - to get the useless hermes sandals or whatever that ridiculously stupid item was given to have both FFXI and FFXIV active at once)

Then I went to add my buddy pass. And I paused. After I thought it through I realized I would be completely screwing myself over to have two FFXIV accounts on the same ID. Yes it would only be one security token to keep track of and one payment, but it seemed to be a horrific nightmare otherwise (for all the reasons you listed).

So in the end I created a whole separate SE ID for my buddy pass and I am immensely happy I did. They are both Legacy which means I will have two accounts to use in beta :)

I'm really sorry you're in this mess...........

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Thank you Quesse :) Im not terribly upset about it ( at least when there's no alpha/beta tests going out or relic winning contests) It's just my hope to have the matter discussed by our lovely XIV team <3

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Originally Posted by Taika

Who told you this? How would it benefit you?

All your problems are caused by yourselves as you're using the system in a way it's not supposed to be used.

Square Enix accounts are supposed to be personal, as are game accounts. You can't have one SE account in the name of both of you - that should have been the first hint to tell you you're not supposed to share it.

I'm sorry you made the mistake and it can't be undone, but the fault isn't in the system.

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Actually, if I remember correctly it was so you could have multiple accounts (playonline ids) that you paid for all on one SE account, the problem isn't with what this person did, the problem is they changed which account you use. From "Playonline ID" to "Square-Enix account" The Square enix account used to only be for your transactions. (At least if my memory serves me correctly this is how it was... was a long time ago.)

The idea being you could manage the transactions through 1 account as apposed to logging into every single one to change info etc....

(ugh sorry if this is old w/e I'm not awake yet, didn't notice the other 2 pages at the time.)

I think really all that needs to be done is apply contest and what not to XIV accounts, not the SE account itself. AKA, per reg code account. Although they are linked to the same SE ID, they are still separate accounts based on the reg key inside their database. The Code is just linked to your SE ID. So it seems like they should be able to easily apply game contests (i.e. mog bonanza in xi) and what not per reg code, and not per se id.

It'd just be a lot of work I'd assume. More so for FFXI probably since it's not in the development stage still. It's system is already in place. Hard to say really though.

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

I think really all that needs to be done is apply contest and what not to XIV accounts, not the SE account itself. AKA, per reg code account. Although they are linked to the same SE ID, they are still separate accounts based on the reg key inside their database. The Code is just linked to your SE ID. So it seems like they should be able to easily apply game contests (i.e. mog bonanza in xi) and what not per reg code, and not per se id.

It'd just be a lot of work I'd assume. More so for FFXI probably since it's not in the development stage still. It's system is already in place. Hard to say really though.

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Yes! such a simple easy solution that would be lovely to fans such as myself stuck in this situation :)

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Originally Posted by ChiyoKatsui

I think really all that needs to be done is apply contest and what not to XIV accounts, not the SE account itself. AKA, per reg code account. Although they are linked to the same SE ID, they are still separate accounts based on the reg key inside their database. The Code is just linked to your SE ID. So it seems like they should be able to easily apply game contests (i.e. mog bonanza in xi) and what not per reg code, and not per se id.

It'd just be a lot of work I'd assume. More so for FFXI probably since it's not in the development stage still. It's system is already in place. Hard to say really though.

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Actually I agree it makes sense... at least for the forum and beta application (that automatically goes to your service account not the way they email you a code)... It wouldn't however work for surveys since it could lead to multiple answers... but that's about it...

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Originally Posted by Kirito

Actually I agree it makes sense... at least for the forum and beta application (that automatically goes to your service account not the way they email you a code)... It wouldn't however work for surveys since it could lead to multiple answers... but that's about it...

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It could lead to multiple answers from the same person on the survey, but upon login for the survey, say you select your XIV account, and not your spouse/mule/whatever, that survey information is hashed with your reg key, and se account. So, in all likely hood it would work for surveys, they'd just have to decide whether or not to accept both, or decline one (or more from the same acct) based on suspicion of whether it's just a mule or actually two people playing.

Having played with server software for Ragnarok Online before, it should be easy to tell whether two people are playing or if one is controlling two players. Even masters at using two characters at once will show signs of dual boxing (one char will stop using abilities for a small amount of time while an action is triggered on the other, etc). Just things like that. It's hard to use two computers and control two characters at the same exact time. I use to do this with my brothers char on XI when he wasn't home cause we'd duo to 20 then head to qufim.

Not to mention MAC Addresses. Yea, they can be spoofed, but I don't really see why someone would spoof their mac address for a survey or for a game contest.

I suppose a contest like mog bonanza where you can get items that usually take years in real life to obtain one of the items might be viable to do it for. I just think their are a couple of options they could look into for people that actually do share se accounts with their spouse, that were ill informed when SE accounts were made a while ago. They pretty much encouraged you to link ur POL account to a SE account just for extra security, without any real explanation of the service when it first rolled out, atleast from my memory. Cause it was all about the security token and the mog bag you get with the token.

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Originally Posted by Kirito

Actually I agree it makes sense... at least for the forum and beta application (that automatically goes to your service account not the way they email you a code)...

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Beta application can be done without any kind of account at all. My colleague registered from her work PC behind me with just her e-mail address and then completed a second on behalf of her partner.


Also Kyri, have you raised a ticket with S-E support? I've found them to be quite accommodating in the past. Can't help to try?

@ Kyri - Get on the online chat or give them a call, I had a problem with my EU FFXI stuffs and they sorted it out.
(Backstory: My FFXI (EU) Account was linked to an EU SE account, but I'd made an NA account for XIV and wanted to have all my games on the one NA account. Agent on the online chat helped me through unlinking my XI account from its SE account to test whether I could or not link up an EU XI account to an NA SE account).

The process can take like 2 weeks, but if you call or get on the chat and explain what's going on, tell them you can offer proof that you are indeed 2 people they should be able to help you with unlinking as they helped me.