My concern initially is, until we can have gear sets for all classes, how will we manage to carry gear for all classes?
Do we we just craft naked and eliminate that set of gear? Right now I have minimum 6-7 slots per DoM, DoW class without counting jewelry and offhand (shields) slots. Then we go into crafting and 2 tools per class and 1 gear set. and Gathering 2 tools and 1 gear set. Along with food for multiple classes and situational gear I have nearly 100 slots taken up right now. Not even taking into account all the materials used while crafting and drops while gathering.
Seriously 100 slots is going to mean that I spend more time going and getting stuff from retainer if I want to craft or have just finished gathering. No more crafting in the field while I wait for the group to get ready.
I am really hoping SE planned for those of us that are OCD about switching classes at a moment's notice.
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10-03-2012, 09:06 PMGriffsterDoes anyone else always carry gear (tools,weapons,armor,food) for all classes?
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10-03-2012, 09:12 PMindira
i carry all my 7 fighting classes, gather classes equip. for crafting i have 2 tools at a time.
guess well have to manage with 100 slots, i remember on launch we only had 80 lol. i think if we make gear sets the equipment is taken out the inventory so that can save some space. -
10-03-2012, 09:20 PMKiriA500
Tools, weapons and armor: Yes
Food: No
I don't ever eat food, because I'm pro like that. -
10-03-2012, 10:15 PMMihana
They've mentioned that equipped gear will no longer take inventory space. This includes gear put into sets you're not using right now. The downfall of that is you'll need multiple pieces of the same gear if you want to include it in several sets. Which, makes me curious... On gear that's U/U how will that work?
Example: I have a Gridanian Officer's Overcoat. I have this item equipped on my Monk. Now say I want to use that same piece of gear on my Bard too. Naturally I'd need to get a second copy of the-But wait! It's listed as U/U meaning I can only have one copy at a time. This means I'll have to switch to my Monk setup, remove the Gridanian Officer's Overcoat from my gear setup, and then switch to Bard, and manually equip it, right?
Unless I'm missing something isn't this just going to make more pointless steps than what's needed? Macros are supposed to be incorporated into the game before launch but you'll still require multiple parts and items. From my understanding they want it this way, you may not be able to register a single piece of gear to multiple gear sets. Sorry, I know it's a bit off-topic, but it seemed relevant to the question at hand. I actually carry multiple sets of weapons and tools on me all the time but try to condense it in a way that I can use the same piece of gear across several jobs at once to conserve space.
Such as I have a pair of Felt Kecks I use for Bard, and when I'm playing it, Archer. Additionally this same piece can be used for Monk or Pugilist since I melded it using a INT/PIE setup. I also have a Coliseum Subligar with STR/DEX that I'll switch out on Bard, and use on Monk when I need the extra STR. I typically carry 1-2 different kinds of food on me for each job, and 1 universal food for when I'm crafting. I'll still do the same in ARR though the whole gear setup could be a little tricky... -
10-03-2012, 10:20 PMMajidahactually they said this is up for vote, which is good because I hate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
I wouldn't get a pair of 50 str triple melded felt bracers for every DOW I have. Would cost a lot.
So lets hope yoshi drops the idea. -
10-03-2012, 10:24 PMMihana
I really hope so too... Either allow you to link a single piece of gear across several sets or do away with it completely. Instead, set it up so equipped gear is removed from your inventory. Keep it similar with FFXI how when switching jobs it remembers what equipment you had on and auto-equips that gear.
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10-03-2012, 11:28 PMMolly_Millions
Make gear sets, problem solved. The only exceptions will be gear you use for multiple classes until you have copies of that gear, or they allow us to give gear aliases allowing a single piece to be used in multiple gear sets.
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10-04-2012, 04:40 AMGriffsterThat assumes enough gear sets for all classes/jobs. Last I saw was 2-3 gear sets. Wish we knew more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
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10-04-2012, 04:53 AMcasevi
i carry all my jobs gears all time i dont use food tho
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10-04-2012, 04:57 AMRoosterAgathos
hmmm maybe the option to swap jobs in raids will be taken away...
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10-04-2012, 05:19 AMdarkstarpoet1
yeah i carry all my jobs gear and all my food for them all the time. it has me sitting at 149 pieces of gear/food on me constantly.
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10-04-2012, 05:29 AMSeig345
I'm no where near having an issue yet because the majority of my classes are still en route to 50. I can see where it's a problem once I'm switching between AF sets or whatever else have you, in terms of space conservation. However, while I currently have just about every class's weapon/tool in my inventory now for ease of leveling... I highly doubt I'm gonna bother actually keeping all DoW/DoM/Crafting gear on me at all times. If they keep retainer bells in convenient places around the cities, 2-3 gear sets would probably be more than enough for me once I'm at cap level on that many classes at once. Would be even better if gear sets could be swapped out with your retainer as 1 "item" per set.
There's gotta be a balance between keeping the point behind being able to swap classes by just swapping your main hand, while at the same time not going nuts with having enough room for 7+ characters worth of equipment and mats, at which point you might as well just do away with inventory limits altogether. X) -
10-04-2012, 05:36 AMElexiaAccording to these forums this means you have a large sense of entitlement and think SE owes you something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Griffster
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10-04-2012, 05:51 AMMolly_Millions
that char in the video was also only level 10. I think it's fairly safe to assume that only 3 classes were unlocked at all. Tbh, I think there's nothing to worry about.
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10-04-2012, 05:53 AMfusional
gear, weapons, tools, food and consumables for everything. i don't think i've been below 175/200 at all this year. usually hovering around 185-190/200
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10-04-2012, 05:59 AMdarkstarpoet1yeah i was there as well, but got rid of a ton of gear for my gathering/crafting classes to save room by using a single piece across all of them. it has hurt my crafting success alot though so will probably back to each class with its own crafting gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by fusional
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10-04-2012, 06:01 AMTitans
I'm usually sitting at 170 in my inventory. A lot of it is material to craft with. I carry everything including the kitchen sink.
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10-04-2012, 02:02 PMMikitaYoshi P said that you would have to manually equip the item you want to use across different Gear Sets, or create a macro to do it for you. But he added that they would be seeking feedback on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
I hope they change it because I also use U/U gear for different jobs, so the Gear Set system as it stands now is going to be rather frustrating to use.
To the OP,
I craft and gather also, so I always need to free up space and struggle to stay at about 190 items between weapons, tools, armor, different clothing sets for different jobs, food, jewelry for different tasks, dark matter, the constant influx of rubbish items from gathering, etc. etc.
I'm hoping the reduction back to 100 items isn't as troublesome as I think it might be. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they get it right. -
10-04-2012, 02:31 PMHysterior
I am not sure what is the issue guys...
I guess it will be a bit like macro now
If I have WHM and BLM and I want same belt for them, right now when I make a macro to change to BLM I don't need to add the belt line in macro because as long as the job is compatible, the belt is not removed from one job to the other
I guess it will be the same for the new gear set system. If you want an item to be in 2 places then just equip it and do not put anything in the belt slot of the "gear set" and it should go from one set to the other
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10-04-2012, 03:04 PMMikitaFrom the way Yoshi P described it, it's quite different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
Imagine you have one big cart that can hold 100 items, and 3 smaller buckets that can hold 12 or so items each.
You can say one of those smaller buckets is your Monk bucket and put your weapon, your armor, and accessories in there.
You then say the next bucket is your Bard bucket and put your bow, your armor... Oops!
One piece you want to use for Bard is already in my Monk bucket -- let's say it's a pair of Felt Bracers with +54 Attack Power.
You can now go get another one (as long as it's not unique), or you can move it from the Monk bucket to the Bard bucket... but that item cannot be in both buckets at the same time. So you decide to keep the Felt Bracers in the Monk bucket.
Now say you were crafting or doing something else and are invited into a party and are asked go as Bard so you put on items from your Bard bucket... but the Felt Bracers are in the Monk bucket. You will need to manually equip those now and every time you want to play Bard. Small inconvenience, but when repeated over and over, it will get annoying rather quickly.
That is how the new gear set system is set to work right now.
Yoshi P said that to be able to assign one piece of equipment to different Gear Sets would require them to create an alias to the item, rather than moving the actual item itself (as per the current system above).
But I think they need to spend a bit more time on figuring this out and making sure that it won't be frustrating to the players, otherwise we're going to have a lot "The UI is horrible 2.0" threads all over again. -
10-04-2012, 03:38 PMPunainen
My inv is typically jam packed at LEAST 170/200 at all times, and both my retainers at 150 each. I'm not sure how the inv management can possibly be streamlined to make me be okay with only 100 spaces on me (even with the added 50 retainer spaces).
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10-04-2012, 04:57 PMHysteriorI seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Mikita
but I guess they will figure out after Alpha/Beta there are easier system
+ the pick/drop item in inventory seems quite quick so I don't think it will be such of a hassle
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10-04-2012, 05:36 PMFelisYes, you missed something. You only can have one U/U copy at a time in your inventory. Put the first Gridanian Officer's Overcoat in your Monk gear set and you can get a second.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mihana
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10-04-2012, 05:36 PMMikitaMe too. I'm still hopeful they will come out with a finished system that is easy to understand and use... and lets us manage our inventories easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
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10-04-2012, 05:40 PMReikaPeople have something to worry about in the current version. We cant make gear sets right now, and cant do anything about what isnt already equipped because we cant make gearsets yet. So what if Yoshida's character had 3 unlocked, that doesnt help anyone now. He probably unlocked them prior to the video so he can demonstrate them, and everyone starts with one. Or they unlock every 5 levels. Doesn't matter either way, because we dont have gear sets right now. Everyone who does a lot of different classes and jobs will end up with a lot of stuff, probably their unequipped gear, placed on the temp NPC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
I also play all classes but 3 battle classes, and cullinarian ingrediants take the most inventory space of them all. I am hoping SE handles this correctly.
I also wish they didnt lower inv space at all, or at least not right away so we can all get our gear into gearsets, then they lower the inv space like a month or two after while utilizing the temp NPC for overflow. We wont have to worry about our gear being on temp NPCs at launch that way. -
10-04-2012, 05:41 PMValmonte
you pretty much have too. much as i'd love to carreer a job, this game makes that a dame near impossibility.
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10-04-2012, 06:25 PMZhyrios
or you could just not be a tard and not put the gear you're going to use on multiple jobs into a gear set in the first place.
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10-05-2012, 12:56 AMdarkstarpoet1and then not reduce your inventory by hardly anything. that's what people are talking about. there's very few pieces that are only used on 1 class so you're saying leave it all in your regular inventory so then you run into the same issue with the new amount of space. out of my 150+ pieces of gear i keep at all times i doubt more than 30 of them are only used on 1 class/job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zhyrios
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10-05-2012, 01:03 AMAniseTatlin
I carry:
Gear (Armor, weapons, and jewelry for all jobs, spare stuff for spiritbonding, etc)
Tools (Primaries, secondary only for jobs i'm leveling at the moment)
Food (Only crafting food)
I also carry tons of materials for my crafts, and a bunch of junk that i need to put on my retainers.. since i'm a pack rat like that.
I don't know how i'll survive 100 slots come 2.0. Just hope we get enough gear sets. :( -
10-05-2012, 01:15 AMGriss
I tend to carry the weapons/equipment/tools for my frequently used classes. The rest is packed away on my retainers.
I don't stockpile things I think I might need someday, I keep the things I need today and tomorrow. The only exception to that rule is items that are very hard to get my mits on. but there are not many things that are too difficult to obtain in this game. -
10-05-2012, 01:22 AMArwen
The headache of FFXI inventory is back. Oh the headache...
I carry all my classes equipment as well as food.
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10-05-2012, 01:28 AMMolly_Millionslol you've dealt with it this long, I think you'll be fine for another 30 days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
The first thing I'll do in 2.0 will be to unlock as many gear sets as the game allows. If you are so concerned about it, I suggest you do the same.
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10-05-2012, 01:47 AMReikaQuote:
Originally Posted by Molly_Millions
You still dont seem to get it. You cant put gear that gets put onto the temp NPC into a gear set. You wont have it. first thing you would have to do is discard or vendor other things to retrieve it...... It's probably pretty pointless trying to get it through to you, considering. -
10-05-2012, 02:21 AMMolly_MillionsWhat are you talking about? I'll unlock a gearset, make that gearset (and thus inventory space), get items from the storage npc, repeat. Why is that not clear to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
If the dev team is smart about it, what goes to the storage NPC will be prioritized in such a way that mats go first, then consumable items, and lastly gear that surpasses the 100 slot mark. Just like every other thread fearing 2.0 changes, you guys are making mountains out of mole hills.
Considering what exactly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reika
It's funny that you seem to think I haven't thought this system through, when clearly it's the opposite. It's you who have not considered the system's implications and what will be needed to adjust to it. It's better than the current system hands down, but will take time/work to adjust to it.