SE just make a vanity slot to solve all your issues with this.

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Recommended Class to Become Required Class
Recommended class will be changed to required class on existing gear.
The majority of gear affected by this change are dated items, which many players continue to wear for aesthetic reasons, despite incurring performance penalties.

In order to preserve this freedom of choice, we are planning to make these items wearable by more, if not all, classes. However, we are still in the process of determining how to best implement these changes.

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easy just give each piece of visable armor a vanity slot where you can use that graphic.

the power tab is your equipment like it is now
the vanity tab is just to use the graphic from a piece of equipment, the check box is to turn on or off that graphic so you can see you original equip in that slot.
EASY RIGHT?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2590/...25a69f20da.jpg

Nah, they won't do it... they are really big on making your visible class very obvious so others don't get confused.

Good MMOs have this feature. Whether it's LOTRO or EQ2 or even guild wars 2

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

Nah, they won't do it... they are really big on making your visible class very obvious so others don't get confused.

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Well thats simple. Vanity gear slots still follow class/job requirements. easy.

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

Nah, they won't do it... they are really big on making your visible class very obvious so others don't get confused.

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this would actually be less work for them and keeps everyone from having the same stuff stat wise.

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Originally Posted by indira

easy just give each piece of visable armor a vanity slot where you can use that graphic.

the power tab is your equipment like it is now
the vanity tab is just to use the graphic from a piece of equipment, the check box is to turn on or off that graphic so you can see you original equip in that slot.
EASY RIGHT?

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Agreed. To further gather support, here's the original vanity slot thread.

Really, I don't really know what they're tyhinking at this point. Unless they're planning to add something like transmog or appearance enchants and just haven't made the announcement.

NO thanks x1000. I'd rather be able to tell what people are wearing by looking at them, and I'd also like to be able to show off my gear without being examined.

I'm happy with their decision, the only thing I don't get is why do it, but since all it does is just change cosmetics of belts onto armor, works out better than throwing in a system where mages run around looking like warriors.

There's a reason they got off the optimal/favors system in favor of required system. Yes people want to look like whatever the hell they want, luckily though there's plenty of MMORPGs out there that does what people want.

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Originally Posted by indira

easy just give each piece of visable armor a vanity slot where you can use that graphic.

the power tab is your equipment like it is now
the vanity tab is just to use the graphic from a piece of equipment, the check box is to turn on or off that graphic so you can see you original equip in that slot.
EASY RIGHT?

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Can we then run to raids in naked mode (or just in subligar), too? ^^

I'd really like the vanity slots, but I think it pretty much comes down to this:

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

Nah, they won't do it... they are really big on making your visible class very obvious so others don't get confused.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Well thats simple. Vanity gear slots still follow class/job requirements. easy.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Can we then run to raids in naked mode (or just in subligar), too? ^^

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Hopefully not

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Originally Posted by Felis

Can we then run to raids in naked mode (or just in subligar), too? ^^

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You use to be able to, back before they made stats and defense matter.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Well thats simple. Vanity gear slots still follow class/job requirements. easy.

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Problem is, that part is getting ignored.

They also seem to think we are not able to distinguish between a conjurer and a warrior unless they wear AF. Them removing the belts just proves that. It's like saying "you want more individuality? ok, we will make you look alike even more."

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I'd rather be able to tell what people are wearing by looking at them, and I'd also like to be able to show off my gear without being examined.

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Considering the process of "what's that awesome chestpiece? /check" makes a quick and easy transition to "what's that awesome transmog piece? /check", your second point is kinda moot.

And if you can't tell what class/job a person is by looking at their weapon, well...

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Considering the process of "what's that awesome chestpiece? /check" makes a quick and easy transition to "what's that awesome transmog piece? /check", your second point is kinda moot.

And if you can't tell what class/job a person is by looking at their weapon, well...

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I want people to be able to tell I have Darklight on be just seeing my character, and not checking. That's the point.

At first thought i felt this was a good idea, but here is the thing I really like the fact that when i see a guy i know exactly what he is just by glancing at him.

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Good MMOs have this feature. Whether it's LOTRO or EQ2 or even guild wars 2

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I don't see any good MMOs listed. D:

I don't want to see vanity slots because everyone is just going to equip that horrid AF to their slots.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

I don't see any good MMOs listed. D:

I don't want to see vanity slots because everyone is just going to equip that horrid AF to their slots.

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I want people to be able to tell I have Darklight on be just seeing my character, and not checking. That's the point.

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"we are planning to make these items wearable by more, if not all, classes."
well looks like people rather be a true cookie cut, what if everyone is wearing the same thing? so we can have whm in DL armor make more sense to cross class armor?

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Originally Posted by Duelle

And if you can't tell what class/job a person is by looking at their weapon, well...

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Because no one uses /display mh off.

Please, re-read your first post where it says: "The majority of gear affected by this change are dated items, which many players continue to wear for aesthetic reasons, despite incurring performance penalties."
That means its mostly DATED ITEMS and not all of them. As for making gear vanish from the character bodies but still have it equiped for stats, etc (I.E. Runes of Magic, Aion, etc games), is abit meh, because most people will just get naked because its so cool and they dont want ppl to see thei gear unless they check them. Also, why hide the gear graphics? I find it sad that ppl want to have 'x' gear for their stats but dont want to look like it actually does, IRL if u feel cold and put a shirt and a jacket on and want to look nakie, u'll have to remove the jacket, shirt, etc to look nakie and u'll actually be cold, so if u want to look nakie, remove the gear, if u want the stats, put the gear on?
Either way, i dont mind if they put it or not since i wont use it at all.

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I want people to be able to tell I have Darklight on be just seeing my character, and not checking. That's the point.

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So then don't put something in a vanity slot and turn it on so your darklight will show? I mean obviously if you are wearing it you have it on and I doubt anyone is going to be putting darklight in a vanity slot over a slot that matters statwise at this point.

I'm kind of shocked they are not including this or some variation on it for 2.0. It's pretty much an industry standard at this point.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Vanity gear slots still follow class/job requirements. easy.

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That's the only way to keep it from looking silly, personally i think they should just make more stylised gear and allow the materials to effect the stats and level needed but let any level (or most then all at cap) wear it.

bit torn on this

On one side I would really like to wear things for how they look rather than stats and better customize my character (instead of having the same WHM robe as everyone else) so something like fashion case would do.

But on the other hand how would all those new pieces be created? Maybe implementing a new job "designer" (or something like that) to create fashion clothe. But then we might end up with many super tacky stuff... I like the SE design. Plus it could be hard to see exactly who is doing what, especially in random group where you don't know people well so you just want to know where is the BLM, the WHM, who is the tank... if everybody has totally un-job-like clothes might get confusing

But it something they should really try in alpha/beta and see how it goes

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Originally Posted by Duelle

And if you can't tell what class/job a person is by looking at their weapon, well...

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People can hide their weapons.

Why not find a middle point and just call it "town gear" whenever you enter a territory that is non-hostile/has no enemies like a town you automatically change to the gear designated for those areas. However when you zone out into the battlefield/hostile areas you change back into your regular gear. This way in the more "social areas" people can look however they want however when you go out to fight you'll look like your class.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

I'm happy with their decision, the only thing I don't get is why do it, but since all it does is just change cosmetics of belts onto armor, works out better than throwing in a system where mages run around looking like warriors.

There's a reason they got off the optimal/favors system in favor of required system. Yes people want to look like whatever the hell they want, luckily though there's plenty of MMORPGs out there that does what people want.

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It's hard to be a Red Wizard wearing a blue robe :/

Personally I don't see why we can't have it. Why can't it be class/job specific items to vanity slot you want.

Blm/Thm can only wear robes, not heavy armor. T

Maybe I want to look like a regular person as a paladin, but my vanity slot I have cotton tabard (red) with Cotton Kecks (brown). But have triple melded cobalt gear on the main slot.

Ya I think vanity slots is the answer, for those that want to show off awesome gear, they don't need to wear vanity. For those who think o I won't know what job you are, if vanity gear has class restrictions like everything else, there would be no difference except the gear won't look stupid and mismatched and might not look like the highest of hi end gear because it might not be how you want your character to look.

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Originally Posted by Felis

People can hide their weapons.

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Until they draw them in battle...

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Good MMOs have this feature. Whether it's LOTRO or EQ2 or even guild wars 2

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even DCU online has it, was the best feature of that game.

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But on the other hand how would all those new pieces be created?

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Huh?

Who is talking about new pieces of anything? The basic mechanics of a vanity tab/remodeling system mean you have item A with stats that you want and item B with the looks that you want. There's nothing new involved. You are using the look of an item you already own to overwrite the looks of another.

+1 vote for vanity slots

I am ok with Vanity Slots with these 2 restrictions:


1) "Vanity Slot Gear" still counts towards your 100 slot inventory.

2) If "Vanity Gear" is turned on, the character must have Body Armour and Pants (subligar is ok). I do not want to see people doing dungeon runs in bathing suits, reindeer costumes, yakutas, etc.

2-a) If I can toggle off viewing other peoples Vanity Gear, then I don't care at all.

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2-a) If I can toggle off viewing other peoples Vanity Gear, then I don't care at all.

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This, if mages want to be retarded and look like Paladins, so be it, but let me turn off their display of it.

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Well thats simple. Vanity gear slots still follow class/job requirements. easy.

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Problem is, that part is getting ignored.

They also seem to think we are not able to distinguish between a conjurer and a warrior unless they wear AF. Them removing the belts just proves that. It's like saying "you want more individuality? ok, we will make you look alike even more."

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It's pretty much getting ignored....

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It's pretty much getting ignored....

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And that is wrong and not what SE should be doing.

I never understood the reason SE gave behind vanity slots. they want us to be easily recognizable.

but our classes are tied to our weapon...so as long as they can see our weapon anyone can know what class we are. the only confusion that might arrise is with CNJ/THM because both can use wand like and cane like weapons.

but given how crap-tastic whm weapons are, almost everyone uses a chiran. so even that is obvious.

Not having Vanity for what we are wearing doesn't make any sense. in fact for the most part i'd be putting my AF gear in a vanity slot. or things that are equipable by all classes anyway (officers gear, RSE when it is released)

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I never understood the reason SE gave behind vanity slots. they want us to be easily recognizable.

but our classes are tied to our weapon...so as long as they can see our weapon anyone can know what class we are. the only confusion that might arrise is with CNJ/THM because both can use wand like and cane like weapons.

but given how crap-tastic whm weapons are, almost everyone uses a chiran. so even that is obvious.

Not having Vanity for what we are wearing doesn't make any sense. in fact for the most part i'd be putting my AF gear in a vanity slot. or things that are equipable by all classes anyway (officers gear, RSE when it is released)

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That and the reasoning that was given doesn't make much sense, because the class identity issue with vanity slots could be easily solved by giving those slots the same restrictions as regular slots!

this is absolutely absurd from an immersion standpoint. why would i be showing one item although i'm wearing another? i think it's just dumb. i vote no.

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This, if mages want to be retarded and look like Paladins, so be it, but let me turn off their display of it.

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Which is why people are asking for vanity slots that only allow them to wear something that falls under their class/job.

So as long as you a caster, you can wear any robe in the vanity slot. Not a cobalt breastplate.