Advance classes

Just wondering if they are any plans to add advance classes. Like for example to unlock arcanist you need to have conjurer level 15 and thaumaturge level 15 (just an example). It would be nice to add that type of method to unlock classes. What people think about it?

Do not want.

Doubtful. Besides, Jobs basically ARE advanced classes as it is.

Would be kinda stupid

That's what jobs are

As others have said, Jobs are the advanced classes, they require more than one class leveled to unlock and quests.

What i mean is a way to unlock new classes instead of just equiping a weapon. Make a quest or something to unlock new classes.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

What i mean is a way to unlock new classes instead of just equiping a weapon. Make a quest or something to unlock new classes.

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But without a weapon how would we unlock the first one. O.o

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Doubtful. Besides, Jobs basically ARE advanced classes as it is.

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This. Even tho once upon a time, yoshida mentioned he didn't want us to think of them as advanced classes even tho thats exactly what they ended up as :/.

New classes will be new classes, new jobs will be new advanced classes for those classes.

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Originally Posted by RudyFails

But without a weapon how would we unlock the first one. O.o

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Making some type of quest to unlock the corresponding level 1 weapon. Can have classes pre req and talk to a npc and recive the weapon.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

What i mean is a way to unlock new classes instead of just equiping a weapon. Make a quest or something to unlock new classes.

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Sadly, people enjoy being locked into class = weapon xD It would be nice if it was more in XI style where you need to quest to unlock new classes/jobs, since it does still feel odd that equipping a weapon will immediately make you all encompassing of the class/job's talents, quests actually give you some sense of "training" lol.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

What i mean is a way to unlock new classes instead of just equiping a weapon. Make a quest or something to unlock new classes.

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Why? What's the point of arbitrarily making some classes harder to get than others? All classes should be viewed equally and treated as such.

I understand that FFXI did it with advanced jobs, but I don't think it made any sense then either.

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Originally Posted by AmyNeudaiz

Do not want.

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This. More Jobs however...yes please. :o

What's the point of handing everything to you? We can ride this slippery slope all night baby :D

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Originally Posted by Elexia

What's the point of handing everything to you? We can ride this slippery slope all night baby :D

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My point has absolutely nothing to do with whether things are easy or hard. It has to do with equality between classes, and the pointlessness of treating some of them like they're "advanced" when they really aren't.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Why? What's the point of arbitrarily making some classes harder to get than others? All classes should be viewed equally and treated as such.

I understand that FFXI did it with advanced jobs, but I don't think it made any sense then either.

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The bolded is what makes MMORPGs boring and why every new class and race addition is boring after the first 20 minutes -- Class quests doesn't making something harder than others, it gives you content to do rather than going to an NPC and buying a weapon and tada! You're now a master of summoning primals.

If that's your kind of thing more power to you, but there luckily are still a lot of MMO gamers who like doing quests with a purpose.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

My point has absolutely nothing to do with whether things are easy or hard. It has to do with equality between classes, and the pointlessness of treating some of them like they're "advanced" when they really aren't.

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You never played FFXI I'm guessing? Might be where your disconnect may be coming from. "Advanced" classes simply mean they're not basic already unlocked classes, they're something you have work toward.

Also no, jobs =/= advanced classes, they're an extension of it's base class, an advanced class is something you could only use after doing a quest. Given the way this game works, the only way that would be possible is to lock out crafted weapons to level 5+ and you can only get the 'weathered' weapon through the quest.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

The bolded is what makes MMORPGs boring and why every new class and race addition is boring after the first 20 minutes -- Class quests doesn't making something harder than others, it gives you content to do rather than going to an NPC and buying a weapon and tada! You're now a master of summoning primals.

If that's your kind of thing more power to you, but there luckily are still a lot of MMO gamers who like doing quests with a purpose.

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I'm not saying that it's better to have things handed to you. You're trying to make the same point as Elexia, when my point doesn't have to do with difficulty at all.

All classes should be treated equally. That doesn't mean make them easy to get or make them all the same. If all the classes were earned and unlocked through quests, that would be great, but it should be ALL of them or none of them, not just a random selection of classes for no reason.

There's no sense in making some classes easy to get and some classes hard to get when they should all be on a level playing field. That's why Jobs take more work to unlock because they're on a more advanced level than classes.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

You never played FFXI I'm guessing? Might be where your disconnect may be coming from. "Advanced" classes simply mean they're not basic already unlocked classes, they're something you have work toward.

Also no, jobs =/= advanced classes, they're an extension of it's base class, an advanced class is something you could only use after doing a quest. Given the way this game works, the only way that would be possible is to lock out crafted weapons to level 5+ and you can only get the 'weathered' weapon through the quest.

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I played plenty of FFXI back in the day. I also unlocked all the jobs while I was playing. Advanced classes is an awful terminology to use if you're not trying to imply that the class is advanced. I mean, c'mon now.

And Yoshi may not want us to think of jobs as advanced, and rather equal to classes, but y'know, they really are, at least with how the armoury system works out to right now. So yeah, Jobs are pretty much the advanced versions of classes for all intents and purposes with the current system.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Why? What's the point of arbitrarily making some classes harder to get than others? All classes should be viewed equally and treated as such.

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Why all have to be the same? This would be ARR classes that weren't before for some reason so a background history while unlocking then would be nice. I'm not asking for super hard quest to unlock then maybe a running around or just talk to a NPC.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Why all have to be the same? This would be ARR classes that weren't before for some reason so a background history while unlocking then would be nice. I'm not asking for super hard quest to unlock then maybe a running around or just talk to a NPC.

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Sure, but wouldn't it be nice for the original classes to have unique backstory quests, too? Why should only the new classes get all the fun? This is what I mean by equality.

It's silly to arbitrarily segregate some classes with an extra requirement for access. There's no reason to divide them like this. Let all classes be unlocked with a unique quest/requirement, or none of them.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Just wondering if they are any plans to add advance classes. Like for example to unlock arcanist you need to have conjurer level 15 and thaumaturge level 15 (just an example). It would be nice to add that type of method to unlock classes. What people think about it?

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Your touching on a formula which already exist. Are you "ruffling up a birds feathers" while it's in flight?

To unlock a job, curtain classes need to be obtain to a minimum level, like the new Samurai job, I suppose we all need to level lancer and marauder to a level 15~30ish maybe. It's an old method of prerequisites needed for job.

In FFxi, it was based on job>>>level 30>>>unlock advance job(thru quest). Same thing will apply in FFXIV:ARR.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

... All classes should be viewed equally and treated as such.

I understand that FFXI did it with advanced jobs, but I don't think it made any sense then either.

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Why, why,why? Because the world is a cruel place and one who doesn't show effort to wanting something doesn't deserve to have it. I suppose a child raised with a silver spoon in his/her mouth wouldn't understand 'this' but as the old saying goes, "it takes a curtain special someone to do that curtain special job".

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

Sure, but wouldn't it be nice for the original classes to have unique backstory quests, too? Why should only the new classes get all the fun? This is what I mean by equality.

It's silly to arbitrarily segregate some classes with an extra requirement for access. There's no reason to divide them like this. Let all classes be unlocked with a unique quest/requirement, or none of them.

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I agree with you ..it was annoying in FFXI how every new job added was made look harder to get and more story with it and a lot more details yet WAR the best DD was all BLAHH

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Just wondering if they are any plans to add advance classes. Like for example to unlock arcanist you need to have conjurer level 15 and thaumaturge level 15 (just an example). It would be nice to add that type of method to unlock classes. What people think about it?

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Jobs have quest requirements. Classes simply require equipping the weapon. That's the way it should stay.

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Sure, but wouldn't it be nice for the original classes to have unique backstory quests, too?

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The original classes DO have backstory quests. They're just not required for anything.

Jobs do this and top of that Yoshi-p said each class would have more then one job like GLA+THM+MRD=Dark knight so i just don't see them having advance classes when jobs pretty much do that. Jobs are Quest base and class are just get wep and bomb your that class.

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

Why, why,why? Because the world is a cruel place and one who doesn't show effort to wanting something doesn't deserve to have it. I suppose a child raised with a silver spoon in his/her mouth wouldn't understand 'this' but as the old saying goes, "it takes a curtain special someone to do that curtain special job".

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I've reiterated over and over that difficulty has nothing to do with any of the points in my argument.

Let me ask you though, what makes the newer classes so "special" that they deserve extra quests and extra steps just to have access to them? When it comes down to gameplay, none of them are any better or worse than the starting classes when all is said and done. If you want the new classes to be difficult to obtain, then shouldn't this also apply to the classes we have now? Why should the new ones be any different?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

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The original classes DO have backstory quests. They're just not required for anything.

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And they are boring, oddly paced and meaningless. I bet most folks don't even know they exist or end up doing them all at level 50.

I am gonna have to partially agree with the OP. No, I don't want Class Requirements for "advanced classes" but I have always wanted the Class Quests we have to be more meaningful and even required for leveling.

Any excuse for more cutscenes and NPC Bard's singing of my triumphs.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

I'm not saying that it's better to have things handed to you. You're trying to make the same point as Elexia, when my point doesn't have to do with difficulty at all.

All classes should be treated equally. That doesn't mean make them easy to get or make them all the same. If all the classes were earned and unlocked through quests, that would be great, but it should be ALL of them or none of them, not just a random selection of classes for no reason.

There's no sense in making some classes easy to get and some classes hard to get when they should all be on a level playing field. That's why Jobs take more work to unlock because they're on a more advanced level than classes.

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Advance jobs made plenty sense, as these were jobs that people needed to work towards.. you know not having things being handed to you as most mmos seem to be doing nowadays. In FFXI some jobs were simple base classes like Warrior, White Mage, etc being the staple classes but they were still balanced amongst the advanced jobs that needed to be attained through quests. But you know what? It added some challenge, excitement and something to work towards.

I don't get why people feel things should be handed to them without any work into it.

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

Advance jobs made plenty sense, as these were jobs that people needed to work towards.. you know not having things being handed to you as most mmos seem to be doing nowadays. In FFXI some jobs were simple base classes like Warrior, White Mage, etc being the staple classes but they were still balanced amongst the advanced jobs that needed to be attained through quests. But you know what? It added some challenge, excitement and something to work towards.

I don't get why people feel things should be handed to them without any work into it.

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I don't understand why everyone keeps claiming I'm asking to make everything easy. I thought the post of mine you quoted was pretty dang clear that it isn't the case. Once AGAIN, my point has nothing to do with difficulty.

The point is to support equality between old and new classes. Either make all of the classes require effort to unlock or none of them. You want all classes to be unlocked easily? That's fine. You want all classes to require effort to unlock? That's fine, too.

What's silly is arbitrarily having newer classes require extra steps to unlock over existing classes for no reason. Why some and not others? It's an unnecessary distinction that isn't based on anything. No one class is truly better than another.

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

I don't understand why everyone keeps claiming I'm asking to make everything easy. I thought the post of mine you quoted was pretty dang clear that it isn't the case. Once AGAIN, my point has nothing to do with difficulty.

The point is to support equality between old and new classes. Either make all of the classes require effort to unlock or none of them. You want all classes to be unlocked easily? That's fine. You want all classes to require effort to unlock? That's fine, too.

What's silly is arbitrarily having newer classes require extra steps to unlock over existing classes for no reason. Why some and not others? It's an unnecessary distinction that isn't based on anything. No one class is truly better than another.

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Why some not others? Because you need some classes to be the staple classes for new players to can pick up and learn to play but not be at a disadvantage to the other advance classes that more veteran players had access to, hence why most staple classes had vital roles in parties. I don't get whats so hard to understand.

Ironically enough in SE attempt to change the old system they created to do away with the subjob effort in FFXI they have essentially turned this game into a very similar system with 2 subjobs, one primary and one secondary but never the less similar restrictions and structure..

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Sadly, people enjoy being locked into class = weapon xD It would be nice if it was more in XI style where you need to quest to unlock new classes/jobs, since it does still feel odd that equipping a weapon will immediately make you all encompassing of the class/job's talents, quests actually give you some sense of "training" lol.

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I dont enjoy being locked into class = weapon... am I not a people?!~

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

I don't understand why everyone keeps claiming I'm asking to make everything easy. I thought the post of mine you quoted was pretty dang clear that it isn't the case. Once AGAIN, my point has nothing to do with difficulty.

The point is to support equality between old and new classes. Either make all of the classes require effort to unlock or none of them. You want all classes to be unlocked easily? That's fine. You want all classes to require effort to unlock? That's fine, too.

What's silly is arbitrarily having newer classes require extra steps to unlock over existing classes for no reason. Why some and not others? It's an unnecessary distinction that isn't based on anything. No one class is truly better than another.

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This x100 having that stupid Dark sword with like 2 min delay on it to kill mobs was the dumbest idea ever or how about standing in norg for 8 hrs to just unlock sam <.<.

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

Why some not others? Because you need some classes to be the staple classes for new players to can pick up and learn to play but not be at a disadvantage to the other advance classes that more veteran players had access to, hence why most staple classes had vital roles in parties. I don't get whats so hard to understand.

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But why should only veterans be able to select the newer classes? What's the point of locking them out to new players? Why should a new player have to play an older class for a while just to be able to pick the class they actually want to play? If a player wants to pick Arcanist as their first class in ARR, they should be able to.

If you want something that only advanced players can play as, we have Jobs. This is exactly what jobs are, advanced versions of classes that we have to work to unlock. There is no need for redundant extra steps to get new classes, when in reality new classes aren't any better or worse than the old ones.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

Why all have to be the same? This would be ARR classes that weren't before for some reason so a background history while unlocking then would be nice. I'm not asking for super hard quest to unlock then maybe a running around or just talk to a NPC.

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Maybe not a mandatory thing to unlock the class itself, but background history of ALL classes should be extensively put by class quests (which should start at level 1 btw... NOT 20 -.-). If we got class quests every 3-5 levels we would know a whole lot more about our classes than just 3 quests every 10 levels...

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Originally Posted by Inaaca

But why should only veterans be able to select the newer classes? What's the point of locking them out to new players? Why should a new player have to play an older class for a while just to be able to pick the class they actually want to play? If a player wants to pick Arcanist as their first class in ARR, they should be able to.

If you want something that only advanced players can play as, we have Jobs. This is exactly what jobs are, advanced versions of classes that we have to work to unlock. There is no need for redundant extra steps to get new classes, when in reality new classes aren't any better or worse than the old ones.

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I don't think its necessary for me to repeat myself why, over and over, and over again when I explained it quite clearly why. So before I get a brain tumor I'll take my leave from the thread.

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Originally Posted by xXHalloweenTrixXx

I don't think its necessary for me to repeat myself why, over and over, and over again when I explained it quite clearly why. So before I get a brain tumor I'll take my leave from the thread.

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All you've said is that you wanted some classes for new players to pick up and play, and some classes that you need to work toward for advanced players to use. But, as I pointed out, we already have that exact system in place, with classes to pick up and play and jobs you have to work toward for advanced players.

I like the idea of advanced classes. (That is, a class without a craft-able lvl 1 weapon.)

You do a quest, and receive the weapon to unlock the class.

However, advanced classes should be introduced as part of a new expansion, and integrated into the new storyline (See FFXI:TAU) .

I don't want Arcanist to be the only DoW/DoM class in ARR that requires a quest to unlock.

It would really be confusing for new players.

There will more than Likely be Classes hat are unlocked by completing quests in the future.. It's just the nature of Final Fantasy. Also, it's a lot of fun.

Will prolly have a simple level requirement though. Not likely to be class locked.