Remaking classical status ailments

Remember those bosses in FF history that absolutely destroyed you because they had horrid status effects? Normally you could handle huge damage, even if it cost a phoenix down... but things like Confuse or Berserk? That threw everything off kilter.

I'd personally like to see a return of classical status ailments. I realize some of these are already in, but they're boring and uninspired.

Confuse
What it does: Makes you run around hitting friends, foes or yourself

how to cure it: Getting physically hit / Esuna / Remedy (thrown)

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Mini
What it does: Turns you into a miniature version of yourself, significantly weakening you, and lowering your maximum HP and halving magic power

how to cure it: Esuna / Remedy (thrown)

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Zombie
What it does: Either reverses healing into damage (I could see how this could be used to grief though) or makes it so you can't be healed at all for the duration

how to cure it: Viruna / Esuna / Remedy (thrown) / Holy Water (thrown)

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Charm
What it does: Forces you to attack your friends and allies

how to cure it: KO (Maybe something else, but this should be a nasty status ailment)

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Doom
What it does: Activates a countdown timer, when it hits 0 you die

how to cure it: Holy water (Low chance of removal) / Killing an enemy (100% chance of removal)

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Disease
What it does: Halves your maximum HP, MP and all stats, does not fill HP or MP on recovery

how to cure it: Esuna(?) / Viruna

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Berserk
What it does: Makes you unable to control your actions, but sharply increases attack / speed(?). You will not be able to choose a target, but you can only target enemies.

how to cure it: Esuna / Remedy(?)

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Toad
What it does: Turns you into a Toad, limiting you to greatly weakened physical attacks

how to cure it: Maiden's Kiss (?)

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Amnesia
What it does: Can't use weapon skills or job abilities

how to cure it: Esuna

These are just a few ideas, I want to actually fear varied status ailments and be in situations where multiple ones used at once would be very scary. Currently the status ailments are pretty potent, but they're generally pretty boring imo.

I loved TOAD. :D

I was thinking of adding Toad to the list. I guess it could be basically like Mini and Silence mixed together :D

I was also considering that Zombie would lower your health to 0, and basically act like Charm... but I was thinking that it would be a little hardcore.

A chibi version of myself would be so coo~ool ~

In FF3 the mini spell was also a useful tool to pass in some wall holes... that would be sweet to add some "enviromental" spell in FF14 to explore.

Don't we already have Amnesia? (Disables skills)

Nice list! Hope they take a look at it.

What about Piggy and Imp status? Always thought those were interesting. And Zombie would make an excelent dungeon mechanic twist

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Amnesia
What it does: Can't use weapon skills or job abilities

how to cure it: Esuna

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Don't we have this already? The slugs in AV use it all the time.

We also have Berserk. I believe Ingolf is just listing what these effects did in other games

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

We also have Berserk. I believe Ingolf is just listing what these effects did in other games

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Amnesia still have the same effect here. You can't use WS or magic spell during amnesia.

I am confident some of these will come once LV-cap raises. We still miss a lot of spells/statuses/actions I think.... they cannot give them all out right now cause there would be no more to give after lv-cap raise.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Amnesia still have the same effect here. You can't use WS or magic spell during amnesia.

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No it doesn't. You can still cast and use weapon skills

wow.... Someone actually posted constructively, I've been seeing a lot of this... I hope the positive continues...
As a whm I will hate this... As a fan I would love it >_< so divided

Some more contributions:

Stone/Petrify
What it does: Slow effect with countdown after which your character becomes stone -- Character is unable to move, make any action, and does not take damage. (Effective KO)

how to cure it: Using Return, Esuna, Remedy/Panacea, or 'Gold Needle'

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Aging/Old (FFV-inspired)
What it does: Stats become that of LVL 1 character. Hair turns grey

how to cure it: Esuna, Remedy/Panacea, Lasts 90 sec.

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Curse (FFVIII-inspired)
What it does: TP meter does not fill up. Defense cut in half

how to cure it: Esuna, Holy Water, Lasts 120 sec.

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Frozen (FFIX-inspired)
What it does: HP/MP/TP does not recover. Character suffers double damage from physical attacks

how to cure it: Esuna, Remedy/Panacea, Lasts 90sec.

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Heat (FFIX-inpsired)
What it does: Each action taken results in damage to character equal to 50% of current HP. Character suffers double damage from Magical attacks.

how to cure it: Esuna, Remedy/Panacea, Lasts 90sec.

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(modified the zombie effect that the OP had to fit better with FFV/FFVI style)

Zombie (FFV/FFVI - inspired)
What it does: Lose control of character which walks towards and auto-attacks allies - healing magic is inverted and damages character ('Raise' effects will instant KO) - skin turns grey-green

how to cure it: Esuna, Holy Water, Remedy/Panacea,.

We already have a version of amnesia (pacification), and things like Charm and Confusion would never work in this kind of game, as you are not FORCED to input commands, nor do you even need to stand within range to inadvertently attack an ally. The only way I could see that they would implement confusion, would be to make it so it jumbles up your controls (EI, up makes you go left, you hit skill key 1, it throws skill key 4), however this would just make people stop doing ANYTHING until their confusion was gone, and would make it equivalent to petrify, and therefore redundant.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

We already have a version of amnesia (pacification), and things like Charm and Confusion would never work in this kind of game, as you are not FORCED to input commands, nor do you even need to stand within range to inadvertently attack an ally. The only way I could see that they would implement confusion, would be to make it so it jumbles up your controls (EI, up makes you go left, you hit skill key 1, it throws skill key 4), however this would just make people stop doing ANYTHING until their confusion was gone, and would make it equivalent to petrify, and therefore redundant.

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Charm exists in FFXI - you can see it happen all the time in Besieged. The server just takes control of your Character and it begins to attack your allies (they can attack you as well).

So yeah, it wouldn't be difficult at all to implement it in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Don't we have this already? The slugs in AV use it all the time.

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Yep a lot of those status ailments were also in FFXI as well. I'm sure they'll eventually reintroduce them all to some extent. (Yes even toad was in XI in a form.)

I still remember battles in FF6 that is easier if you let your whole party remain zombied.
Death => Raise
Cure => Damage
Unholy magic => Cure

while that period isn't my absolute favorite, i can't even begin to see how anyone would consider hearing it an ailment.

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Originally Posted by Fadigre

No it doesn't. You can still cast and use weapon skills

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Missed this post, no not always Amnesia will block your ability and WS usage sometimes though the server doesn't properly display that amensia has worn off but I can guarantee it works exactly like XI's amnesia works.

I would love to see all these make a comeback, but this Dev team seems to think Debuffs should only come in the form of Weaponskills.. Sure do hope Archanist has more than Blind Slow and Paralyze.

Could also mention that sometimes you wanted certain status aliments on you for immunity to others, or quest devices and such.

Also I don't care what happens to status aliments as much as I care that they need to be obvious (visual). If you are petrified throw a stone layer on me dammit. In most FF it was obvious - except in FF MMOs you have to look at your buff bar, rather silly.

If they do such a thing where status aliments are a bigger deal I hope they add a lot more plants so (dedicated to) alchemists can go nukkinfutz - I'd hate to have an annoying system trying to be fun. (In most FF, status aliment items are cheaper then dirt).

Charm and Toad always made for aggrivating yet funny situations in FFXI. ARR better put these in at some point. Tired of dealing with the same old Poison, Petrify, Sleep and Blind.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Remember those bosses in FF history that absolutely destroyed you because they had horrid status effects? Normally you could handle huge damage, even if it cost a phoenix down... but things like Confuse or Berserk? That threw everything off kilter.

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I'll nip this in the bud and say they don't and won't work in an MMO. I'd rather have bosses with real mechanics over cheap status effects.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I'll nip this in the bud and say they don't and won't work in an MMO. I'd rather have bosses with real mechanics over cheap status effects.

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Of course you would, even though status ailments is part of the FF RPG series. You want a basic MMO, there's plenty out there.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Of course you would, even though status ailments is part of the FF RPG series. You want a basic MMO, there's plenty out there.

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While you want to force a single-player RPG formula into an MMORPG. You want to force the square peg into the round hole and don't care for the repercussions or the crappy results. We're two peas in a pod, you and I.

Addendum: I'm willing to concede on some of this, specially the spell Mini, provided those debuffs are instead used as unique boss mechanics, either to challenge raid coordination or ease transition during phase switches.

I can picture a Moonba raid boss that casts Mini on a random raid member and chases them around with a giant hammer, forcing everyone else in the raid to try to slow them down until Mini wears off and the encounter continues as normal. I could see Berserk and Confuse used similarly to good ol' Mind Control, forcing the raid to CC players affected until it wears off. You could build an entire encounter around Zombie, provided the effect wears off once the boss dies.

There are ways to use it, but a copy-paste from a single-player Final Fantasy game is not the way to do it.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

While you want to force a single-player RPG formula into an MMORPG. You want to force the square peg into the round hole and don't care for the repercussions or the crappy results. We're two peas in a pod, you and I.

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Remember what the director of this game you're looking forward to said:

"This is a Final Fantasy game first."

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Originally Posted by Elexia

"This is a Final Fantasy game first."

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Weapon skills should stop providing debuffs unless it is a debuff weapon skill >.> lol

Hope he really tries to stay true to that, that will make FFXIV special. Otherwise there are already a lot of "mmo's" out there we could choose from.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Remember what the director of this game you're looking forward to said:

"This is a Final Fantasy game first."

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Indeed.

Decent storytelling, the FF jobs we know and love, chocobo, airships and someone named Cid. So far the game has delivered on that front. Has nothing to do with the current discussion, though.

Well there are a lot of interesting ways they could implement status ailments into the game if they were to just add them without focusing on any visual image of it.

Mini for example could be an effect which Triples the damage you take, reduces damage you deal by 1/2 and triples your evasion

Petrify as mentioned earlier could cause one to take less dmg while under the effect but of course they would be unable to deal dmg. Said effect could be interesting to use if medication is made which can grant one the petrification effect.

Berserk Could simply be like Amnesia but also increases your att power.

Confuse could cause your weapon-skill to randomly change target from the one you were originally targeting.

Toad could pretty much be like amnesia cept your att is also lowered and dmg taken is increased

"Old" kind of like Doom cept with a longer timer to completion and gradually reduces attributes as the battle progresses. Could be made into a unique boss battle against a Time manipulator causing one to strike hard and fast before they become to old to fight on.

Those are the ones I can think of atm that could be fun to implement lol. But ya it would be nice to see more status ailments in the game as long as they aren't OPed and unfair to battle against.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

Remember those bosses in FF history that absolutely destroyed you because they had horrid status effects? Normally you could handle huge damage, even if it cost a phoenix down... but things like Confuse or Berserk? That threw everything off kilter.

I'd personally like to see a return of classical status ailments. I realize some of these are already in, but they're boring and uninspired.

Confuse
What it does: Makes you run around hitting friends, foes or yourself

how to cure it: Getting physically hit / Esuna / Remedy (thrown)

--

Mini
What it does: Turns you into a miniature version of yourself, significantly weakening you, and lowering your maximum HP and halving magic power

how to cure it: Esuna / Remedy (thrown)

--

Zombie
What it does: Either reverses healing into damage (I could see how this could be used to grief though) or makes it so you can't be healed at all for the duration

how to cure it: Viruna / Esuna / Remedy (thrown) / Holy Water (thrown)

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Charm
What it does: Forces you to attack your friends and allies

how to cure it: KO (Maybe something else, but this should be a nasty status ailment)

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Doom
What it does: Activates a countdown timer, when it hits 0 you die

how to cure it: Holy water (Low chance of removal) / Killing an enemy (100% chance of removal)

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Disease
What it does: Halves your maximum HP, MP and all stats, does not fill HP or MP on recovery

how to cure it: Esuna(?) / Viruna

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Berserk
What it does: Makes you unable to control your actions, but sharply increases attack / speed(?). You will not be able to choose a target, but you can only target enemies.

how to cure it: Esuna / Remedy(?)

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Toad
What it does: Turns you into a Toad, limiting you to greatly weakened physical attacks

how to cure it: Maiden's Kiss (?)

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Amnesia
What it does: Can't use weapon skills or job abilities

how to cure it: Esuna

These are just a few ideas, I want to actually fear varied status ailments and be in situations where multiple ones used at once would be very scary. Currently the status ailments are pretty potent, but they're generally pretty boring imo.

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Amnesia is in the game, Qiqirns have it.

Most of the rest of those existed in FFXI and will probably exist in this game at some point except confuse.

What about some of the new status that were in 12, like Bubble & Reverse?

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Originally Posted by NefGP

What about some of the new status that were in 12, like Bubble & Reverse?

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Those weren't really new perse, just a different form. For example iirc, Bubble increased max HP right? That was something that's been around for a bit in various ways throughout older FF games.

Reverse for example is just a type of Absorb status, like in FFVII you had that monster in Shrina Mansion that had a physical heal mode or magical heal mode.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

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Zombie
What it does: Either reverses healing into damage (I could see how this could be used to grief though) or makes it so you can't be healed at all for the duration

how to cure it:Viruna / Esuna/ Remedy (thrown) / Holy Water (thrown)

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These are just a few ideas, I want to actually fear varied status ailments and be in situations where multiple ones used at once would be very scary. Currently the status ailments are pretty potent, but they're generally pretty boring imo.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Some more contributions:

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(modified the zombie effect that the OP had to fit better with FFV/FFVI style)

Zombie (FFV/FFVI - inspired)
What it does: Lose control of character which walks towards and auto-attacks allies - healing magic is inverted and damages character ('Raise' effects will instant KO) - skin turns grey-green

how to cure it:Esuna, Holy Water,Remedy/Panacea,.

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In the FF series, you'd loose a battle if everyone in your party turned to zombies. How do you translate this same situation in XIV?


Getting "zombie-fide" would probably be one of the most popular of all the stats but I would have to question the methods use to cure it. It's not like it a common/normal stat. It's basically a rare accorance and phonominon to happen to any living being, almost supernatural. Any common 'remedy' or the spell 'Esuna' wouldn't be so easy to cure this "wicked stat" as it would for a player in living condition.

It's an exclusive condition and it would be more frieghtening to have just one cure for it which ofcourse is "holy water".