Dawn Drops = 1 gil

And there you have it.

EVERYTHINGｆｒｏｍ　ＧＣ= 1 gil now.

Did they change the sell price of any of the other stackable items? (Dawn Drops where the best, but there are some other items that are ~meh~ trade ups)

Edit: Above poster said everything is 1 gil now. so.. LULZ they fixed it finally. Only took a week.

This was the correct fix, good job SE.

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Originally Posted by Timotheus

EVERYTHINGｆｒｏｍ　ＧＣ= 1 gil now.

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That's not true, throat drops are 206g.

Thank the Twelve, now I hope people will do something other than farm Atomos!

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Originally Posted by Wynn

This was the correct fix, good job SE.

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Now they need to fix the rest of it.

This proves what was happening wasn't not intended (thusly an exploit).

This has however ruined provision and supply missions. From being able to pay back some or perhaps all of your resources to well, nothing. There go my plans and about 500,000g of stored up materials. Guess I'll be stocking up to high hell on every GC consumable as i have no gear i need and am already at 50k.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

This proves what was happening wasn't not intended (thusly an exploit).

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By that logic, anything SE ever changes was previously an exploit.

Wrong way to fix it, the event didnt cause this to happen.. people were doing this with dawn drops from months ago.. all of a sudden something is wrong with it?

This isnt the only reason I will be leaving the game early until 2.0 but its one of the reasons.. very poor planning this week I will take care of space on my character then I am out until 2.0.. done with poor planning and treating their current players like crap

edited: for the record I wasnt even really using dawn drops to make a bunch of money but this stumbling nonsense SE keeps falling into is just idiocy

All of you lil buggers rage quitting because of this... could one of you guys free up a retainer slot in the Ul'dah market wards for me?

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Originally Posted by Quesse

By that logic, anything SE ever changes was previously an exploit.

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Herp de dur. Yoshida specifically said it wasn't intended and they're changing it because they dont want it to continue. When playing a game, if its not what the dev intended and they say they don't like it - its an exploit.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

By that logic, anything SE ever changes was previously an exploit.

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Yeah I'm gonna agree with Quesse here. If that proves it was an exploit, they also need to take away all the gil that was gained when leves gave you an ass ton of it and all the garuda weapons earned in blm burn parties should go poof too.

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Wrong way to fix it, the event didnt cause this to happen.. people were doing this with dawn drops from months ago.. all of a sudden something is wrong with it?

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Lol -- I'm sorry, no one was using seals for Dawn Drops > Gil in this manner months ago -- You rarely even seen people in your GC buying stuff beyond manuals and raise tonics (if they actually knew about it.) Maybe you and your friends were but that's a different story.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post837347

The following adjustments have been made:

• The rate at which combatable Atomos appears has been reduced.
• Monsters will no longer spawn around Atomos when it appears in low and mid level areas.
• The selling price for the following items has been reduced to 1 gil:
  
  • Dried Prunes
  • Ginger Cookie
  • Blood Drops
  • Dawn Drops
• The amount of Grand Company Seals required to trade for 999 Bronze Arrows has been raised from 25 to 50.

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Originally Posted by Jennestia

Lol -- I'm sorry, no one was using seals for Dawn Drops > Gil in this manner months ago -- You rarely even seen people in your GC buying stuff beyond manuals and raise tonics (if they actually knew about it.) Maybe you and your friends were but that's a different story.

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Yes they were, visit the Japanese forums, they started doing this as soon as it started because they knew about using dawn drops via GC seals...


Also people farm drops from monsters to sell to NPCs that were included on the list from the GC.. and they did it as a means for income now this change affects that as well as people that used those items for crafting, they just drastically changed the value of those items..

not the way to fix it.. they should have adjusted the event..


sidenote.. expect like 90% less people doing Atomos now so if you need that win good luck on making that happen

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Originally Posted by Wynn

f that proves it was an exploit, they also need to take away all the gil that was gained when leves gave you an ass ton of it and all the garuda weapons earned in blm burn parties should go poof too.

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Yes they should.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Herp de dur. Yoshida specifically said it wasn't intended and they're changing it because they dont want it to continue. When playing a game, if its not what the dev intended and they say they don't like it - its an exploit.

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What he said was:

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Producer/Director Yoshida here.

Thank you all very much for all your feedback regarding Atomos.

The development team has been observing the data for how much gil is being dished out (including the gil being generated when exchanging grand company seals), and it is currently higher than what was expected.

Due to this, we once be making additional adjustments during a hot fix during maintenance tomorrow morning. The hot fix will focus on the following:

•Adjustments to the amount of gil received when selling grand company seal items to vendors ⇒ Adjustments to the amount of gil being distributed
•Adjustments to the frequency of Atomos spawns ⇒ Adjustments to the amount of Grand Company Seals that can be acquired each hour by reducing the spawn cycle
•Removal of the monsters summoned by Atomos in low-level area ⇒ Adjustments intended for lower level players

We will be adjusting the overall balance without touching the rewards from Atomos.
We apologize for any inconveniences, but appreciate your understanding.

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Which means they expected gil to be made but it was more than anticipated so now they are turning it off. Not an exploit.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

What he said was:



Which means they expected gil to be made but it was more than anticipated so now they are turning it off. Not an exploit.

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Exactly, people throwing that word exploit around and dont even really understand what it means.. it was an oversight from the development team NOT an exploit

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Originally Posted by Wynn

What he said was:



Which means they expected gil to be made but it was more than anticipated so now they are turning it off. Not an exploit.

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They never said they anticipated gil from the event. They however said more gil is coming in then they could imagine and they need to change it - because its not good.

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Exactly, people throwing that word exploit around and dont even really understand what it means.. it was an oversight from the development team NOT an exploit

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You dont understand what an exploit is.

Exploits are created from oversights on the development team. THEY are NOT hacks - they are from bugs/glitches and other types of over sights.

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They never said they anticipated gil from the event. They however said more gil is coming in then they could imagine and they need to change it - because its not good.

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anticipated... expected....

It means the same thing.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

anticipated... expected....

It means the same thing.

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Ok they never said they expected it either.

The point is it wasnt meant to happen. An exploit is something that wasnt meant to happen - and shouldnt have (in simple terms).

They didnt want that much gil to come into the system - it shouldnt have happened. IT IS an exploit.

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Ok they never said they expected it either.

The point is it wasnt meant to happen. An exploit is something that wasnt meant to happen - and shouldnt have.

They didnt want that much gil to come into the system - it shouldnt have happened. IT IS an exploit.

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What? o.o

Did you not just read the quote that I posted?

I wasn't extremely hard core about doing atmos but I guess my 8m I got from it is enough for 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Angelas

Yes they were, visit the Japanese forums, they started doing this as soon as it started because they knew about using dawn drops via GC seals...


Also people farm drops from monsters to sell to NPCs that were included on the list from the GC.. and they did it as a means for income now this change affects that as well as people that used those items for crafting, they just drastically changed the value of those items..

not the way to fix it.. they should have adjusted the event..


sidenote.. expect like 90% less people doing Atomos now so if you need that win good luck on making that happen

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Yeah, it screws over anyone who was leveling Alchemist with dawn drops or blood drops, screws over cooks who were making ginger cookies or prunes, and makes there be literally no reason to do any activity that earns you seals if you're already capped.

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Originally Posted by Ralliare

This has however ruined provision and supply missions. From being able to pay back some or perhaps all of your resources to well, nothing. There go my plans and about 500,000g of stored up materials. Guess I'll be stocking up to high hell on every GC consumable as i have no gear i need and am already at 50k.

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Buy dark matter grade 5 with your seals. The demand is high since the atomos event.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

What? o.o

Did you not just read the quote that I posted?

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They said the gil inflow recently has been more then expected. Then they go on to say they where watching gil inflow from seals particularly and they where not pleased.

They are not correlated exactly, and if they where (since perhaps its subjective how you read that sentence) then they should have had more forethought. Its quite easy to see thousands of seals coming in for a low gil cost high gil return is not good.

The way I viewed this event was that it provided the opportunity for players to get their promotions. Those that had been stalling because of not wanting to farm totorak or do caravans were given the opportunity to earn enough seals to get to final rank and then finish the rest of the story before 1.0 is put to bed.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I wasn't extremely hard core about doing atmos but I guess my 8m I got from it is enough for 2.0.

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Yeah, I made just enough that when I got into 2.0 I'll still have ONE mil to my name, lol. Considering Ward prices are bound to NOT drop quickly, that MAY tide me over until they do.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

They said the gil inflow recently has been more then expected. Then they go on to say they where watching gil inflow from seals particularly and they where not pleased.

They are not correlated exactly.

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Are you reading the same quote I am?

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Yeah, it screws over anyone who was leveling Alchemist with dawn drops or blood drops, screws over cooks who were making ginger cookies or prunes, and makes there be literally no reason to do any activity that earns you seals if you're already capped.

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You level alchemist with fish

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Are you reading the same quote I am?

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Edited my post while you quoted lol:

"They are not correlated exactly, and if they where (since perhaps its subjective how you read that sentence) then they should have had more forethought. Its quite easy to see thousands of seals coming in for a low gil cost high gil return is not good."



Still lets assume they expected some money to be made.

They admitted it was a lot more then what they expected; therefore, still unintended.

If SE accidently gave everyone A through F characters max gil even though its their fault they still have an obligation to fix it.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Edited my post while you quoted lol:

"They are not correlated exactly, and if they where (since perhaps its subjective how you read that sentence) then they should have had more forethought. Its quite easy to see thousands of seals coming in for a low gil cost high gil return is not good."



Still lets assume they expected some money to be made.

They admitted it was a lot more then what they expected; therefore, still unintended.

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Still not an exploit either. They specifically allowed for this kind of transaction to occur. It isn't the player base's fault that the amount of money gained was higher than they expected to see.

It would be one thing if it was a coding error where dawn drops had always meant to be sold for 1gil but were selling for much more and the people that knew this created a ton of money from it.

It is quite another when they actually were meant to be sold for that and SE knowingly and deliberately injected an event into the game that basically gave you free seals that could be exchanged for the aforementioned items.

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Originally Posted by Felis

You level alchemist with fish

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There shouldn't be a cookie-cutter method to leveling crafts. People should be able to level them on whatever they want to level them on.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Still not an exploit either. They specifically allowed for this kind of transaction to occur. It isn't the player base's fault that the amount of money gained was higher than they expected to see.

It would be one thing if it was a coding error where dawn drops had always meant to be sold for 1gil but were selling for much more and the people that knew this created a ton of money from it.

It is quite another when they actually were meant to be sold for that and SE knowingly and deliberately injected an event into the game that basically gave you free seals that could be exchanged for the aforementioned items.

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Exploits don't have to be coding errors. Technically exploits are just using something to maximum efficiency. So its weird we use this word. Anyway - just because its allowed by code doesn't mean its not an exploit.

FF11 - Buy an item for X price resell for a higher price. Totally allowed by game engine code - all fault to the devs for messing up the values. It was an exploit.

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Exploits don't have to be coding errors. Technically exploits are just using something to maximum efficiency. So its weird we use this word. Anyway - just because its allowed by code doesn't mean its not an exploit.

FF11 - Buy an item for X price resell for a higher price. Totally allowed by game engine code - all fault to the devs for messing up the values. It was an exploit.

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That's a silly definition. It's also untrue. That would mean every "hardcore" player in any MMO ever is an exploiter.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

That's a silly definition. It's also untrue. That would mean every "hardcore" player in any MMO ever is an exploiter.

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I dont make up the words:

ex·ploit/ikˈsploit/
Verb:
Make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource): "500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology".
Noun:
A bold or daring feat: "the most heroic and secretive exploits of the war".


But I agree with you, thats why I said its weird we use the word.

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You level alchemist with fish

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People still grind level crafts? Wow. I stopped doing that the day they introduced worthwhile leve rewards.

Why is it so wrong to be able to make some gil by trading in seals? you still earn the seals one way or another...

The only problem with this event was the amount of seals you could get, if they had reduced the amount of crystals you get per run, then you all would be happier. But if you think hard about it, 1 caravan can give you 1k seals, that is 750~1000 every 15-20 minutes.

Compared to Atomos, Caravan can be a lot more profitable because there isnt a long wait time in between and you are guaranteed to get your seals at the end, only difference is that less people can do Caravans compared to Atomos, so what is the real issue here? is it that people get seals and trade them in for items to make gil out of it? or it is that there is too much people doing this instead of a small few?