someone complain that graphics is downgrade... so....

with nice style of arts
with nice graphics while you can play with other 100 of player (not only 40)
and I do care about game play more than graphics.

Let just say we have arts as nice as FFXII with acceptable graphics as we can have in FFXIII while you can play with tons of other player while you can customize yourself, Why someone complain about it!?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ps2fb5e23e.jpg

lets just have fun with this nice game ;)

"OMG THE GRASS!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111" Idk people complain about everything because they're dumb. The graphics look great, and gameplay>graphics anyway

If anyone expected the graphics to not be a downgrade from what we have now, they were fooling themselves.

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Originally Posted by Tabula

"OMG THE GRASS!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111" Idk people complain about everything because they're dumb. The graphics look great, and gameplay>graphics anyway

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Yeah, and I just got called a fanboy! ooooo that got me right in the heart! Pow Right in the kisser!

If your against them your a fanboy.

Yes I'm optimistic, and there's nothing wrong with that either, staying positive is good karma, If you keep thinking it will turn out like shit then it will probably end up like shit.. That's why I try to keep a positive attitude, but the there are times like the ARR= Downgrade thread.. where I blow a fuse.. But lets not go there.

Anyways, Gameplay> Graphics All the way!

Gameplay > Graphics

But that doesnt mean you have to give up one for the either - its not a "pick one" kind of thing. I pick both, aww yeah I'm greedy but I dont care - I'm paying for it lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Gameplay > Graphics

But that doesnt mean you have to give up one for the either - its not a "pick one" kind of thing. I pick both, aww yeah I'm greedy but I dont care - I'm paying for it lol.

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Obviously anyone would pick both... That's not what they mean when they say gameplay over graphics.

Gameplay is more important in the long run because without good gameplay, you loose subscribers, graphics aren't going to keep them playing.
The point is, the graphics have taken a hit, in order for game play to succeed. Example, displaying more characters on screen, doing more with the environment, etc..

Besides, FFXIV in ARR will still be the leading MMO in graphics on the market, even after its hit. So, you kind of are getting both given the situation.

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

Obviously anyone would pick both... That's not what they mean when they say gameplay over graphics.

Gameplay is more important in the long run because without good gameplay, you loose subscribers, graphics aren't going to keep them playing.
The point is, the graphics have taken a hit, in order for game play to succeed. Example, displaying more characters on screen, doing more with the environment, etc..

Besides, FFXIV in ARR will still be the leading MMO in graphics on the market, even after its hit. So, you kind of are getting both given the situation.

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Gameplay didnt keep all these players going through launch till now :P. I'm pretty sure the graphics and being fans of SE did that lol.

But I agree good gameplay is extremely important to the longevity of the game in an entire timeline scene. However since FF isnt going for a stylized look its really important they dont mess up their fantasy realism.

I'm going to be honest, I don't give a hoot about the grass issue nor the notion of how many characters I can have on my screen at once, but... watching that TGS trailer, I constantly felt like I was watching a graphical downgrade with the look of the characters when shown in real-time. The way they look now is so awesome and realistic (for a video game), but I got the feeling that I was seeing a hint of "cartoony-ness" in the 2.0 character models, which I find very unfortunate.

I'm going to miss this game looking so good. It's weird to me; this game is now over two years old, and technology has changed since then, making what was available when this was first released less expensive... and yet, they're downgrading the graphics? I mean, for PS3, sure, that makes sense, but... for PC, too? I'm hoping it's just a settings tweak or something, and I can somehow retain the awesome graphics seen now in 2.0. Probably wishful thinking as SydeBeheln said above me, but... just sad. :/

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I'm going to be honest, I don't give a hoot about the grass issue but, watching that TGS trailer, I constantly felt like I was watching a graphical downgrade with the look of the characters when shown in real-time. The way they look now is so awesome and realistic (for a video game), but I got the feeling that I was seeing a hint of "cartoony-ness" in the 2.0 character models, which I find very unfortunate.

I'm going to miss this game looking so good. It's weird to me; this game is now over two years old, and technology has changed since then, making what was available when this was first released less expensive... and yet, they're downgrading the graphics? I mean, for PS3, sure, that makes sense, but... for PC, too? I'm hoping it's just a settings tweak or something, and I can somehow retain the awesome graphics seen now in 2.0. Probably wishful thinking as SydeBeheln said above me, but... just sad. :/

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Its PS3 Confirmed Thanks to Reinheart =): http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20120919088/

The issue isn't really graphics, if you have a strong PC you can make the game looks as good if not better than current XIV, but removing subtle animations here and there can really change the feel of the game.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Gameplay didnt keep all these players going through launch till now :P. I'm pretty sure the graphics and being fans of SE did that lol.

But I agree good gameplay is extremely important to the longevity of the game in an entire timeline scene. However since FF isnt going for a stylized look its really important they dont mess up their fantasy realism.

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Which is exactly why they are overhauling the game and in tern--> the graphics, because they NEED more players.

Unfortunately(especially at this point), not everyone is fans of SE and players aren't going to pay for a game that only looks good =/.

I'll say what I said in my other thread a while ago

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Ok, talked it over with my friends, the problem with these graphics are, they are less grainy the faces are as SMOOTH as they can be, no pores or whatever. also the colors are, more vibrant? which isn't a bad thing, though, the world isn't as vibrant in colors... soo that creats a blah mesh of different styles.

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1. Alpha
2. I don't know about you guys, but my screenshots of 1.0 make FFXIV look worse in quality than it does in game.
3. I wonder what 1.0 would look like with the different lighting they're using. At the moment the game looks dark and cold, rather than bright and warm.

4. What makes you think nothing will be changed? Do you not think they'll improve the graphics if their player base doesn't like it?

I'm sure everything will be fine.

Besides.. it looks better than the rest of the MMORPGs out right now. Have you seen GW2 grass?

I do not think they will improve the graphics if the community disagrees. lol

The game is apparently going to scale pretty high though, so I would wait to see what it is like on max settings before making too many assumptions about the game looking bad. Even now, pre-beta, it looks great.

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

I do not think they will improve the graphics if the community disagrees. lol

The game is apparently going to scale pretty high though, so I would wait to see what it is like on max settings before making too many assumptions about the game looking bad. Even now, pre-beta, it looks great.

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even just with this one I already satisfied

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/img/sc...UB_0901_05.jpg

It may very well just be the lighting or an incomplete rendering, but I'm gonna have to throw my hat in the "It's looked better" ring.

You can say, "You'll be able to make it look better with a good PC!"
I say, "Why would they not do that for the trailer, where you really need to sell the quality?"

You cay say, "It's the alpha, it'll be so much different at launch!"
I say, "I was a BETA kid for 1.0 and I don't ever want to hear, 'That'll be fixed at launch' from a player instead of a DEV ever again. Ever. Seriously. (Ever)."

You can say, "You should expect it to look worse so more people can run it."
I say, "That directly conflicts with the first one, and why the hell should I expect a downgrade? Technology has advanced by two years in this time, as well. Surely we'd at least break even, no?"

The fact is just that the game has looked better. In the new TGS trailer, the whole area around 30~ seconds looks like a drastic change. I don't care about "cartoony" style, though please dear Twelve let's not go cartoony... I don't care about the grass, though dear god let's at least be able to render acceptable terrain.

Still... what's up? Incomplete render engine? Bad lighting? New style? Downgraded on purpose? Just tell us the truth, we can handle it. Unless that truth is that now, or someday in the future, you plan to say the PS3 is holding you back, because I would quit SE faster than I quit Nintendo if no one learned from the PS2 FFXI catastrophe.

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Originally Posted by Tabula

"OMG THE GRASS!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111" Idk people complain about everything because they're dumb. The graphics look great, and gameplay>graphics anyway

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Tabula Rasa is an interesting name for yourself. Since no one ever complained about grass, I think you and everyone else that makes statements like that must indeed have an empty brain, ready for the slightest idiocy to be imprinted upon it. I got something for your brain: education. Try it out.

The PS3 graphics are poor (But that's the cost of playing on an inferior piece of hardware), but the PC graphics seem pretty good. The Aesthetics are good too, which is more important generally.

i cant see how anyone can honestly say its downgraded the shadows & lighting look hell of alot better. characters textures look alittle cleaner, the world looks organic now.

i dont understand some people at all

I'm confused. What are you saying, that 2.0 graphics are being downgraded ? Why ?

I don't have any PC related performance issues, and my CPU is a Q8200, and video card is a 550ti.

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I'm confused. What are you saying, that 2.0 graphics are being downgraded ? Why ?

I don't have any PC related performance issues, and my CPU is a Q8200, and video card is a 550ti.

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That's pretty bad. I'm surprised you're not getting any issues.

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

That's pretty bad. I'm surprised you're not getting any issues.

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Bad? I can play with most options to max with a 560 Ti... a 550 Ti should also work fine with some graphic options lowered.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Its PS3 Confirmed Thanks to Reinheart =): http://www.4gamer.net/games/092/G009287/20120919088/

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Nowhere does it say that, thats PS3 version. Where are you even getting that idea from?

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Originally Posted by Punainen

Nowhere does it say that, thats PS3 version. Where are you even getting that idea from?

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The thing is "It did" say that now it just says PC, even Reinheart is Baffled o.o

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Gameplay didnt keep all these players going through launch till now :P. I'm pretty sure the graphics and being fans of SE did that lol.

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Actually, gameplay is what got people to start playing. Once it wasn't a complete absolute pile of shit, people started coming back. 1.18-1.21 was when most of the changes to the way the game plays were made. Majority of people came back with 1.21 because of the implementation of jobs.

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The thing is "It did" say that now it just says PC, even Reinheart is Baffled o.o

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i had a bit of a lightbulb lately as i went to play WoW on this machine that can cap out the settings on the current version of FFXIV.

I get a steady 40fps in the overworld there, and even sunk as low as 15fps in booty town.
WHY? Because as old as WoW is, it uses every bit of my beefy graphics card.
If you want more character models to show up and for the world to be more animated than static,
even in todays maximum technology, you can't also have maximum static detail.
I really wouldn't chalk it up to bad optimisation.

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i had a bit of a lightbulb lately as i went to play WoW on this machine that can cap out the settings on the current version of FFXIV.

I get a steady 40fps in the overworld there, and even sunk as low as 15fps in booty town.
WHY? Because as old as WoW is, it uses every bit of my beefy graphics card.
If you want more character models to show up and for the world to be more animated than static,
even in todays maximum technology, you can't also have maximum static detail.
I really wouldn't chalk it up to bad optimisation.

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I'd rather have better graphics than 200 people on my screen. Also would rather have better graphics than NPCs more realistically milling about.

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I'd rather have better graphics than 200 people on my screen. Also would rather have better graphics than NPCs more realistically milling about.

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I would rather have the large scale pve they have planned. I will also wait and see how it is in front of me

By the way apparently it is not the ps3 but the PC, Rein has found more translations and the site we got the assumed to be ps3 video has confirmed from SE PR that it was not the ps3.

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That's pretty bad. I'm surprised you're not getting any issues.

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LoL, my CPU is like 6 yrs old at least Muhahahaha

Problem is everything runs fine, and I can't really justify the upgrade. Maybe I'll get lucky, and my CPU will overheat, and I'll have to replace the CPU, MB, and RAM. I'll bet it would be hard to find a replacement CPU for system, based on how out of date it is.

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I'd rather have better graphics than 200 people on my screen. Also would rather have better graphics than NPCs more realistically milling about.

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I should re subscribe to DAoC, 200 people on screen at the same time is fun.

No one answered my question.

Are they downgrading the graphics in 2.0 ?

Got any links, so I can see what 2.0 is gonna look like?

kotaku.com/5849775/first-look-at-final-fantasy-xiv-version-20/gallery/1

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No one answered my question.

Are they downgrading the graphics in 2.0 ?

Got any links, so I can see what 2.0 is gonna look like?

kotaku.com/5849775/first-look-at-final-fantasy-xiv-version-20/gallery/1

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If you have a High end computer, you will be seeing Just as good or higher. Certain area's will be downgraded to fit the limitations of the PS3, but it won't be that drastic as FFXIII Graphics were out of this world, and it worked fine, So I don;t see no reason for this to be any different.

I really don't mind if its a little more "cartoony" I just want the movement thing addressed. I like backing up like in the videos but only when locked on a target when you unlock "movement down key/or controller should allow my guy to turn and take off running.... AND it should look like it does now. I'm having a little bit of a hard time understanding adding jump purely for cosmetic reasons to take something so simple out that made it aesthetically pleasing.

Since people keep saying "omg PS3 will limit the game like PS2 limited FFXI!"

PS2's Limitation:

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You're right, the PS3 will be just as limiting as this...c'mon now. While the PS3's graphics will be scaled back that doesn't mean it's limiting anything..it will take years before the PS3 even comes close to limiting the game and there's no guarantee XIV will even see that day lol.

XI wasn't limited by the PS2 until around ToAU when they started reaching the original design limitations, i.e zone cap, so honestly, people need to stop worrying about "(Console) Limitations" and be more concerned with the game itself lol.