Poll: Gear Tabs (Are you content with needing multiples of the same items?)

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In the recent live letter from the producer Yoshida stated that we would be getting gear tabs in order to quickly change between gear sets in A Realm Reborn! Which is awesome, and this will be a really great feature. However there’s a big down side. We won’t be able to equip the same item in more than one set unless we have more than one of the same item.

That’s to say if you want to equip two Spinel Ring’s to your Goldsmith set, and also equip two Spinel Ring’s to your Weaver set, you will need a total of four Spinel Ring’s.

Yoshida stated this is the way it is currently set up to make it more “realistic.” However, I think it’s rather unnecessary considering there isn’t much realistic about a person magically switching all of his cloths instantly anyway. Unfortunately I think this may just be a way to cut corners on the programmers end. I’m not programmer, but would it really be that hard to implement some sort of special inventory bag, in which you drag all of your gear that you want to use to the gear tab, and then from there drag the contents of that “bag” to your gear tabs as many times as you want?

On the bright side, while Yoshida did say that this is how the system currently exists, he did also mention that he would be looking for player feedback on the subject. So we may as well get started telling him how we feel about this. I figured I'd make a poll so VOTE HERE. Please feel free to explain why your for, or against this.

(As a personal side-note I sure hope we will get enough tabs for every Job/Class. They said additional tabs will be made available through quests. If implemented correctly this will be an amazing feature.)

TL;DR VOTE HERE / VIEW RESULTS HERE

Since there seem to be some people questioning the authenticity of this here's the direct quote taken from the live letter:

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F: For gear set's do we need to prepare same items for diffferent gear slots?
Y: Right now you will have to get two, for example you have two gear sets to be realistic. We’re trying to make it possible, but for UI it’s going to be confusing, so right now we’re talking about where you can use the macro to move those items between gear sets, so it’s going to bit technical. We want to ask the players and get feedback for this one.
F: So for no right now if you want same item in two gear sets you need to get two of the same item?
Y: Yes at this time that’s it but we want to get players feedback for this one.

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Source: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...pli=1&sle=true

"you have already voted"

um. no I didnt...

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

"you have already voted"

um. no I didnt...

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Sorry it's a new add on to my wordpress, I'll try to fix it as fast as possible. If I can't ill just make a poll on a third party site.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

"you have already voted"

um. no I didnt...

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Me neither...

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Originally Posted by Mijin

If I can't ill just make a poll on a third party site.

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Oh okay, please do :)

I don't like it, btw. It's especially bad for stuff you can only have once, like Explorer's Ring or Darklight.
You'd have to have it in your normal inventory, taking up space and you'd waste time putting it on manually everytime.
It's by far not a gamebreaking issue to me but it's inconvenient and I don't see much realism in it either. If I possess a piece of cloth I should be able wear it, no matter of my current profession, right?
In reality you wouldn't put away a good hat "only for cooking", you'd use it for goldsmithing too instead of buying a second one.

Q: If I want to use certain gear sets with multiple classes/jobs, will I have to create a copy of the set for the other classes or will I be able to share them among multiple classes/jobs?

A: You will have to create separate gear sets per class/job. However, this is one of the functions we would like feedback on during the Alpha test. Please be sure to test it out and let us know what you think!

If this is the Q&A you're referring to, I didn't get that same message. I read it as though you can not share the complete saved set. You can use the same items, but you must create a new set with that item in it for a different job. I could be wrong, that's how I interpreted it if indeed this is the Q&A this post is about.

wuts wrong wit gettin multiple same gear? r u casual?

I was wondering. Is it just X amount of Gear Sets overall? Or does each class/job get their own X amount of Gear Sets?

Dunno why it just occurred to me

I hope its been mis-translated, because it would NOT be realistic having to have 2 of the same items to use em in diff sets.

Edit: The only way it would be realistic, is something along the lines of:
You have a box full of items from a set, you open box and equip everything in it.
In that case, same item cant be in 2 different "boxes"

But still not a very good way to do it. Makes people upset it does.

Okay sorry for the mess up on my part. I made a working poll on pollcode.com and changed the url's in OP. Please vote if you want too.

I better see zero likes, mistranslation or not, considering people's gripe with gear swapping was:

1. Having to carry multiple gearsets
2. Blinking is unrealistic.
3. Swapping gear on the fly ruins immersion.

Also yes, it says I voted when I never even viewed this topic lol.

What is wrong with you people? Assuming that you need to double your Gear, to use it in 2 seperate Gear-Sets doesnt make sense at all.

Ever thought about the simple fact, that this would be impossible with rare/ex Items?

It honestly doesn't make sense specifically because of u/u items. There has to be a misunderstanding here.

Sorry but there I don't see how there could be a misunderstanding, here's the exact quote:

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F: For gearset do we need to prepare same items for diffferent gear slots?
Y: Right now you will have to get 2 for example you have 2 gear sets to be realistic. We’re trying to make it possible but for UI it’s going to be confusing so right now we’re talking about where you can use the macro to move those items between gear sets so it’s going to bit technical. We want to ask the players and get feedback for this one.
F: So for now right now if you want same items in 2 gear sets you need to get 2 of the same item?
Y: Yes at this time that’s it but we want to get players feedback for this one.

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if the gear set is a physical data set for gears, I can understand it will have limitation (cannot use same item for different gear set)

if the gear set only hold the reference for the gear (or u say "links"), it should be no problem. but the question is, where does the gear go when set into gear set? as they did not take inventory slot

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Sorry but there I don't see how there could be a misunderstanding, here's the exact quote:

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That is the translation, which was made during the Live-Letter. Of course there is the high chance of wording it wrong, so it will get a total different meaning.

The system people imply here, is simply not working with rare/ex items. Unless you can have more rare/ex items, and the mannequin is basically counted as "storage", like your retainers are right now, which would allow you to have more than one rare/ex item.

But even then.. getting more rare/ex items, just to make different gear-sets would be hilarious. So i think there is a simple missunderstanding/misstranslation/misswording.

If it is true, and this isn't just due to language differences and translation mishaps, I would obviously say I dislike this.

In my opinion, it would be the opposite of realistic to have to have two of the same item just because each one needs to be assigned to a different class.

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Originally Posted by Nero

That is the translation, which was made during the Live-Letter. Of course there is the high chance of wording it wrong, so it will get a total different meaning.

The system people imply here, is simply not working with rare/ex items. Unless you can have more rare/ex items, and the mannequin is basically counted as "storage", like your retainers are right now, which would allow you to have more than one rare/ex item.

But even then.. getting more rare/ex items, just to make different gear-sets would be hilarious. So i think there is a simple missunderstanding/misstranslation/misswording.

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The idea currently is that if you want to use the item in more than one set you have to change it manually, or via macro. As the system currently exists, you cannot have two of the same item in different gear sets unless you have two of the same item. This isn't a translation mistake, it was made very clear. The translation was done by a very reputable source who translates a great many things on these forums, and has received personal thanks for doing so from Yoshida himself in the past. You cant just make an argument that he's wrong based on no evidence. Even if he mistranslated a few words it's still pretty clear in lieu of the question being out right asked and answered...

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Originally Posted by Mijin

The idea currently is that if you want to use the item in more than one set you have to change it manually, or via macro. As the system currently exists, you cannot have two of the same item in different gear sets unless you have two of the same item. This isn't a translation mistake, it was made very clear. The translation was done by a very reputable source who translates a great many things on these forums, and has received personal thanks for doing so from Yoshida himself in the past. You cant just make an argument that he's wrong based on no evidence. Even if he mistranslated a few words it's still pretty clear in lieu of the question being out right asked and answered...

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Ok, to make this more clear. You are assuming the translation from Japanese is 100% correct, so i will show you the German Translation, which came online at the same Time, to show you the difference:

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F: Wenn ich bestimmte Ausrüstungs-Sets für mehrere Jobs/Klassen verwenden will, muss ich dann eine Kopei davon herstellen oder kann ich ein Set für mehrere Klassen verwenden?

F: If i want to use different Gearsets for different Jobs/Classes, do i have to make a copy of it, or do i have to create a new Set for the other Classes?

A: Ihr werdet separate Ausrüstungs-Sets für alle Klassen/Jobs erstellen müssen. Aber das ist eine Funktion, zu der wir auf jeden Fall Feedback von euch während der Alpha-Phase haben möchten. Bitte probiert es aus und teilt uns mit, was ihr davon haltet.

A: You have to create seperate Sets for each Class and Job. But this is a function we would like to have feedback first, while the Alpha-Phase is going on. Please try it out and tell us what you think about it.

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As you can see the translations are TOTALLY different.

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We won’t be able to equip the same item in more than one set unless we have more than one of the same item.

That’s to say if you want to equip two Spinel Ring’s to your Goldsmith set, and also equip two Spinel Ring’s to your Weaver set, you will need a total of four Spinel Ring’s.

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How do you know this is the case? I don't see that stated anywhere.

I wish they would just give us gear storage in the UI and let us link up the pieces of gear to these gear tabs they're adding. This way the gear we use doesn't take up storage and we won't need more than one of the same piece of gear to use on other tabs (minus rings, of course).

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

How do you know this is the case? I don't see that stated anywhere.

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I'm going by the official live letter from the producer that I watched live. Translations have been posted, and I quoted the important part in the OP.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Ok, to make this more clear. You are assuming the translation from Japanese is 100% correct, so i will show you the German Translation, which came online at the same Time, to show you the difference:



As you can see the translations are TOTALLY different.

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I don't know who translated that text you posted, but you neglected to post the very next question which outright asks "So for now right now if you want same items in 2 gear sets you need to get 2 of the same item?" And the answer was yes. I personally took two years of Japanese in college, and though I would say I'm far from fluent in it, I can personally verify that the quote I posted is pretty accurate. Not that it's necessary as Reinheart's translations are always accurate.

Please don't try to derail this thread into some fictitious debate about weather the translation was accurate or not. There is no discrepancy if it's right or not. The translation is clear. This is just like the silliness that was going on about regional servers... It was made perfectly clear that we were getting regional servers, but people kept saying it wasn't true because they didn't want to believe it, and they blamed it on translation mistakes. Well we now know for 100% sure we're getting regional servers in lieu of the dev post the other day. I'm just going to dismiss further posts on the subject of the translations credibility as trolling. I won't be responding to them anymore.

This thread has a purpose, and arguing about something that is already proven fact isn't one of them.

it also says "we want feedback on this one." If it matters to people they will try to change it.

Because of the fact gear doesn't count against your inventory space though, It doesn't much bother me either way.

The problem that the developers face right now with gear sets is that they were trying to help out players with inventory space and it got out of hand. The reason that gear sets currently work the way they do is because when a particular gear is part of a gear set it is not included as part of your inventory. The same goes for gear that is currently equipped. So in a sense, you have your main inventory, your equipment menu and your gear sets for extra storage.

What they need to do in order to fix this problem is make it so gear sets just link to items currently in your inventory as opposed to acting like extra storage. The only gear that shouldn't take up inventory is that which is equipped.

You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally Posted by Jacien

I was wondering. Is it just X amount of Gear Sets overall? Or does each class/job get their own X amount of Gear Sets?

Dunno why it just occurred to me

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You start out with X and then you can do quests to get more, but no word on how many you can get just yet.

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Originally Posted by TimonLoon

The problem that the developers face right now with gear sets is that they were trying to help out players with inventory space and it got out of hand. The reason that gear sets currently work the way they do is because when a particular gear is part of a gear set it is not included as part of your inventory. The same goes for gear that is currently equipped. So in a sense, you have your main inventory, your equipment menu and your gear sets for extra storage.

What they need to do in order to fix this problem is make it so gear sets just link to items currently in your inventory as opposed to acting like extra storage. The only gear that shouldn't take up inventory is that which is equipped.

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That would be a perfectly fine solution in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

You start out with X and then you can do quests to get more, but no word on how many you can get just yet.

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Sorry to sound like a jerk, but that didn't answer my question (I'm assuming it isn't known, btw)

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Originally Posted by Jacien

Sorry to sound like a jerk, but that didn't answer my question (I'm assuming it isn't known, btw)

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I guess I misread the question the first time. As far as I know it isn't known.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

I don't know who translated that text you posted, but you neglected to post the very next question which outright asks "So for now right now if you want same items in 2 gear sets you need to get 2 of the same item?" And the answer was yes. I personally took two years of Japanese in college, and though I would say I'm far from fluent in it, I can personally verify that the quote I posted is pretty accurate. Not that it's necessary as Reinheart's translations are always accurate.

Please don't try to derail this thread into some fictitious debate about weather the translation was accurate or not. There is no discrepancy if it's right or not. The translation is clear. This is just like the silliness that was going on about regional servers... It was made perfectly clear that we were getting regional servers, but people kept saying it wasn't true because they didn't want to believe it, and they blamed it on translation mistakes. Well we now know for 100% sure we're getting regional servers in lieu of the dev post the other day. I'm just going to dismiss further posts on the subject of the translations credibility as trolling. I won't be responding to them anymore.

This thread has a purpose, and arguing about something that is already proven fact isn't one of them.

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You dont understand. That is the Translation of exactly that question you are refering to. Those Translations are from the Devs, so if you are saying they are wrong, you also say that the english ones are wrong. Does that makes sense to you?

We will get International Server with the Option to use a regional Data-Center. <_< Dont tell me to derail, if you come up with servers, which has nothing to do with the question/answer you are posted in your OP.

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STOP... what the.. you are refering to Rein's Translation over the Q&A from the Dev's? I just checked also the english Q&A and what you posted in your OP is NOWHERE in those files. Could you please tell me that you really dont even read the Q&A of the Dev's?

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Originally Posted by Mijin

May I have the source of your German translation?

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I will also give you the english one.

English:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...II-Q-A-Updates

German:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/54362-3.-Brief-des-Produzenten-Live!-Q-A-Updates

Question #23 on both.

Even if i like Rein's Translation, his Translations have nothing to do with official Q&A and as you can see, Rein's Translation is also different to the english Version of the official Q&A.

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Originally Posted by Nero

You dont understand. That is the Translation of exactly that question you are refering to. Those Translations are from the Devs, so if you are saying they are wrong, you also say that the english ones are wrong. Does that makes sense to you?

We will get International Server with the Option to use a regional Data-Center. <_< Dont tell me to derail, if you come up with servers, which has nothing to do with the question/answer you are posted in your OP.

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STOP... what the.. you are refering to Rein's Translation over the Q&A from the Dev's? I just checked also the english Q&A and what you posted in your OP is NOWHERE in those files. Could you please tell me that you really dont even read the Q&A of the Dev's?

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The Q&A Part clearly doesn't cover everything discussed in the video... It was over an hour long... There were a great many things discussed in the video, and the translation I posted was one of them. Furthermore I witnessed this being said first had during the live video feed. :/

Here are the translation notes that cover the whole thing, enjoy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...pli=1&sle=true

Edit: Are you just screwing with me, or are you actually serious about this?

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Originally Posted by Mijin

The Q&A Part clearly doesn't cover everything discussed in the video... It was over an hour long... There were a great many things discussed in the video, and the translation I posted was one of them. Furthermore I witnessed this being said first had during the live video feed. :/

Here are the translation notes that cover the whole thing, enjoy: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...pli=1&sle=true

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OK.. so you say non-official Translation > official Translation. Obviously cant change your mind, so go ahead and trust outsider-Translations more. :)

But we/you will see soon enough when the official translated Letter will come along.

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Edit: Are you just screwing with me, or are you actually serious about this?

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I will always stick with official Answers. You are sticking to a non-official Translation, which i have my doubts in, so why shouldnt i be serious? Nothing wrong to wait/stick with official statements over non-SE ones.

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Originally Posted by Nero

OK.. so you say non-official Translation > official Translation. Obviously cant change your mind, so go ahead and trust outsider-Translations more. :)

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What's wrong with you? I didn't say non-official translation > official translation. The only "official" translation is of the questions and answers part of the video. They didn't translate the whole thing, and the part that I've referenced in this thread wasn't one of the Q&A. It was however clearly discussed for the world to see by Yoshida and Foxclon... Do you honestly believe an hour plus long interview can be condensed into a few paragraphs?

Can't you just bow out gracefully, and admit being wrong instead of taking my words out of context for the sake of argument?

It is a odd change indeed. Hopefully we can co-erce them out of it in Alpha/Beta testing.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

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(As a personal side-note I sure hope we will get enough tabs for every Job/Class. They said additional tabs will be made available through quests. If implemented correctly this will be an amazing feature.)

TL;DR VOTE HERE / VIEW RESULTS HERE

Since there seem to be some people questioning the authenticity of this here's the direct quote taken from the live letter:

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So they want to compensate the abolishment of macros with... this?? (makes sense) >.>

(No thank you) ノー SE. Your reforms are flawed! Your designs are flawed! You're ideas are flawed! 瑕疵 ! I'd apreaciate it if I can keep my macro sets and action bar where it is, (Thank you!)

スクウェア·エニックス、ありがとうございましたがありません！

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Originally Posted by Mijin

What's wrong with you? I didn't say non-official translation > official translation.

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You do by saying that "outsider"-Translation is a fact.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

The only "official" translation is of the questions and answers part of the video. They didn't translate the whole thing, and the part that I've referenced in this thread wasn't one of the Q&A. It was however clearly discussed for the world to see by Yoshida and Foxclon... Do you honestly believe an hour plus long interview can be condensed into a few paragraphs?

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They translated the asked Question. They didnt translate it as a whole, but this will come within the next few days. Which will have the whole Session translated. Do you think the Dev's would leave out an important Part like that? And actually the Paragraph you are refering to is Question 23 and as you can see, it is totally different to your "Outsider"-Translation.

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Originally Posted by Mijin

Can't you just bow out gracefully, and admit being wrong instead of taking my words out of context for the sake of argument?

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Being wrong in what? Show me the official source of what you posted in your OP. If it will be the exact way in the translated Video, like you wrote it above then i would admit being wrong. But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

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Originally Posted by Nero

But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

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It's pretty rare the Rein ends up mis-translating something...just saying.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

It's pretty rare the Rein ends up mis-translating something...just saying.

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I like Rein's Translations and always check them out, but im not sticking by it until it is confirmed by an official Statement. Thats my point.

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Originally Posted by Nero

I like Rein's Translations and always check them out, but im not sticking by it until it is confirmed by an official Statement. Thats my point.

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Considering we don't even see all the news released from JP dev posts I don't see the issue in drawing conclusions (That can change obviously if proven incorrect by the dev team or community reps) from a fan-translation.

We shouldn't just sit idle and pretend that it didn't happen until the community reps say it. They have every opportunity to waltz in and say that it's wrong and here is the proper translation hell even the community reps have made Translation Fopas as often as Rein has.

Just because a community rep said it doesn't mean it's a proper translation all the time either.

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Originally Posted by Nero

You do by saying that "outsider"-Translation is a fact.

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No, I said the Q&A translations posted don't cover this part. But it is true that the translation done is accurate, like I said I watched the live feed myself.

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Originally Posted by Nero

They translated the asked Question. They didnt translate it as a whole, but this will come within the next few days. Which will have the whole Session translated. Do you think the Dev's would leave out an important Part like that? And actually the Paragraph you are refering to is Question 23 and as you can see, it is totally different to your "Outsider"-Translation.

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Actually the part I'm referring to is only partially in question 23, they went on to discuss the rest after. And since the first part matches up, that kind of throws your argument out the window. Furthermore yes I do think the community reps would leave that part out for the time being because it doesn't directly relate to the answer of the question asked. They plan of doing a full translation later, they left out a lot of the details in the Q&A for the time being.

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Originally Posted by Nero

Being wrong in what? Show me the official source of what you posted in your OP. If it will be the exact way in the translated Video, like you wrote it above then i would admit being wrong. But everything you do right now is wild speculation about a non-official translation.

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Wild speculation? That's interesting... Imagine if every time there was a world conflict they could just blame it on the translators lol. You're the only one creating wild speculation that somehow the translation is totally wrong and words were added that weren't even said... The fact that you didn't watch the live feed, and don't speak Japanese doesn't give you the right to accuse people of being wrong, or lying when you have no evidence to back it up. It's pretty offensive.

You keep throwing around the word "official" these words came strait from Yosida's mouth himself. I don't know how much more official you can get.