2 Different Gear Sets = 2 Different Items > Terrible Idea

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Foxclon: For gearset do we need to prepare same items for diffferent gear slots?

Yoshi P: Right now you will have to get 2 for example you have 2 gear sets to be realistic. We’re trying to make it possible but for UI it’s going to be confusing so right now we’re talking about where you can use the macro to move those items between gear sets so it’s going to bit technical. We want to ask the players and get feedback for this one.

Foxclon: So for now right now if you want same items in 2 gear sets you need to get 2 of the same item?

YoshiP: Yes at this time that’s it but we want to get players feedback for this one.

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This is an absolutely horrible idea. Theres no reason for this other than not properly implementing the system. Nobody wants to get different sets of Darklight or +1 gear to put on seperate sets for classes.

It was exactly what I was afraid of when I heard about this system and I do NOT dig it. Can anyone name an advantage to a system like this? I just think this is a really bad idea and want to get that out there before they make this mistake.

(Quote taken from Reinhart's translation: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...eqk/edit?pli=1 )

I think there is a missunderstanding.. esp since it is not possible to have 2 rare/ex items.

give it time they are still working on it... they probably just need time to fix the idea

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

give it time they are still working on it... they probably just need time to fix the idea

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Saying give it time is very dangerous around these parts =P

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

Saying give it time is very dangerous around these parts =P

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You will have to create separate gear sets per class/job. However, this is one of the functions we would like feedback on during the Alpha test. Please be sure to test it out and let us know what you think!

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so wait for the alpha then they will change it =)

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

give it time they are still working on it... they probably just need time to fix the idea

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Well what scared me was the fact he wants player feedback, not more time to finish/fix it. The fact that he blatantly said this is how it works, and we want player feedback on it, is why I was so harsh in stating my direct feelings toward that system.

It would irritate me alot if I had to use macros to transfer gear set items, to another gear set to equip it. Thats almost like what we have now : /

I almost feel like there's a misunderstanding or mistranslation here, given the difference between Reinheart's translation and the rep translation, and I kind of want to play the game before I give feedback about something...

But if it -is- the case that you can't have the same item in 2 different gear sets, that's a -huge- problem and something they need to address as soon as possible before the launch of the game. I'm glad they said they were open to player feedback on this one in specific. >_>

You should just be able to open up multiple gear set windows at a time and create a drag and drop "link" between two slots. It can be stored in the database so that the gear set knows to look at the linked item instead of on the space.

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Originally Posted by Neptune

You should just be able to open up multiple gear set windows at a time and create a drag and drop "link" between two slots. It can be stored in the database so that the gear set knows to look at the linked item instead of on the space.

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EXACTLY. I really do hope thats what we end up with.

The problem is how do they make the item not take up inventory space, and be assigned to multiple gear sets at the same time?

Say you have Gloves assigned to DRG, and WAR. You are playing BLM at the time and not using the gloves. Where are these Gloves actually found on your person if you were to try to NPC them for example? What menu do you go to take them from your character?

I see how this can be confusing for them to implement well but they really need to come up with some gear sharing system for sets AND still managa to keep these set items from taking inventory space in a 100 item inventory.

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

Saying give it time is very dangerous around these parts =P

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Agreed.... I would like to also add that saying 'Give it/them time' isn't constructive at all, and doesn't help us or them. They use our feedback and comments while they use their 'time' to fix and adjust the idea.

I think it is how it is because the gearsets are items that are removed from the inventory and placed as gear. Equipped gear will no longer be part of the inventory, and it is the same for gearsets. If it is going to be different, gearsets cant be removed from the inventory before they are equipped. I think.

Either way... if we macro'd it would be just as easy, and we'd gain the benefit of not having the gear in our inventory. However, I see where your exasperation and worry come from and I agree... more then likely with player feed back, he will be left with the definite impression that we do not care for the system described in translation.

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Originally Posted by RoxyLalonde

Either way... if we macro'd it would be just as easy, and we'd gain the benefit of not having the gear in our inventory. However, I see where your exasperation and worry come from and I agree... more then likely with player feed back, he will be left with the definite impression that we do not care for the system described in translation.

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Will probably stick to macroing it for gear that doesnt have duplicate items.

Or. Have gearset that discludes the item you want to use in multiple sets, and just equip the extra items separately. Like if you have 5 crafting classes that all use the same armor, just equip tool and earrings separatly, and some other peices that arent the same.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Will probably stick to macroing it for gear that doesnt have duplicate items.

Or. Have gearset that discludes the item you want to use in multiple sets, and just equip the extra items separately. Like if you have 5 crafting classes that all use the same armor, just equip tool and earrings separatly, and some other peices that arent the same.

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That sounds reasonable anyways.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Will probably stick to macroing it for gear that doesnt have duplicate items.

Or. Have gearset that discludes the item you want to use in multiple sets, and just equip the extra items separately. Like if you have 5 crafting classes that all use the same armor, just equip tool and earrings separatly, and some other peices that arent the same.

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Why add that step though? You know you're going to want to have the same items in multiple sets so why not have them do it right?

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Originally Posted by Karbine

Why add that step though? You know you're going to want to have the same items in multiple sets so why not have them do it right?

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If they dont have it right by the time we are playing it, we can do it that way :P. But I am also for them getting it right as well.

They may have to allow more gearsets to get it done. Or when you save a gearset, you would have to un-equip the item(s) you want in other gearsets, select the new gearset, then equip it there as well and save.

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Keep *all* gear in an armoury section of your house, curated by an enthusiastic CACTUAR. When you select a given gear set from the menu in the field, your CACTUAR teleports your old gear back to your armoury and your new gear is teleported onto you.

You have to drop the gear off at your armoury for this to work, so gear on your person would still take up inventory space, worn or not (as it does at the moment), and this gear could still be equipped manually or by macro if necessary.

Your armoury is initially limited to a couple of dozen spaces, but can be increased through quests that are unlocked by levelling up in different classes and/or by crafted expansions to your housing, as mentioned.

Sigh..... of course, a moogle how original >.> I'd rather have something different, like a Cactuar.

only one solution makes any sense, each slot can hold 3 items per gear set, clicking slot opens sliding box with the 3 items. So you have a darklight gear set, but 3 different belts for instance, only need one rare/ex body. Or you have crafting set but can switch any slot to craft/magic craft/control (3) or DoL output/perception/gathering (3).

alternative: if they insist on one item per slot, we need to know that say a belt can be switched in/out from inventory and not hard linked into gear set one time only like i've seen in WoW (which would just plain suck).

p.s. guess i better store up enough HQ material to make multiple copies after 2.0 (don't have the inventory space now)

I could live with that.

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Originally Posted by Reika

Sigh..... of course, a moogle how original >.> I'd rather have something different, like a Cactuar.

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Fixed for you. One diminutive cutesy creature is as good as another.

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Originally Posted by Mjollnir

Suggestion:

Keep *all* gear in an armoury section of your house, curated by an enthusiastic CACTUAR. When you select a given gear set from the menu in the field, your CACTUAR teleports your old gear back to your armoury and your new gear is teleported onto you.

You have to drop the gear off at your armoury for this to work, so gear on your person would still take up inventory space, worn or not (as it does at the moment), and this gear could still be equipped manually or by macro if necessary.

Your armoury is initially limited to a couple of dozen spaces, but can be increased through quests that are unlocked by levelling up in different classes and/or by crafted expansions to your housing, as mentioned.

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So my cactuar house will have the items in it, and the gear on me will take up inv space no matter what. But if I end up getting 100/100 and try to equip a different set teleported by my enthusiastic cactuar, It will fail to equip everything. I think its better if gear doesnt take inv space as they have it.

I personally don't like this option either.

There's many instances I can think of. One that comes to mind is If I have a gear set for my BSM that utalizes a Dodore Doublet then I can't also have that item on my ALC or ARM.

If they mean that it's strictly for the same class. I don't think in many cases a DRG with Gae Bolg would want to have a different weapon in most second builds...

There might be times where main hand would differ for mages... but most cases I can see this just being a hassle.

No, then your Cactuar will 1000 needles.

HOW CUTE IS YOUR CACTUAR NOW?!

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Originally Posted by Reika

So my cactuar house will have the items in it, and the gear on me will take up inv space no matter what. But if I end up getting 100/100 and try to equip a different set teleported by my enthusiastic cactuar, It will fail to equip everything. I think its better if gear doesnt take inv space as they have it.

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No, I meant the gear equipped through your armoury will not take up inventory space and you wouldn't be able to remove it into your inventory except at your armoury.

I only factored that in so that if you were out in the field and got a new piece of equipment, you could equip it without it having to be part of a gear set. Basically, gear in your armoury only exists in your armoury; gear in your inventory only exists in your inventory.

People wanted manequins and thats basically what they are getting, as far as I know you can't have the same item in 2 separeted manequins.

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Originally Posted by Karbine

No, then your Cactuar will 1000 needles.

HOW CUTE IS YOUR CACTUAR NOW?!

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My cactuar would be domesticated.

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

People wanted manequins and thats basically what they are getting, as far as I know you can't have the same item in 2 separeted manequins.

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Right and thats the problem with the system as it stands. If I switch classes I don't want to be messing with equipping slots. I want it to be a one click no hassle switch. Which it sounds like they can do but "want to get player feedback on this".

It would probably be good for them to include saving equipment in a secondary fassion, like by class. People are more likely to use equipment sets for battle classes, but there are only 7 of those. The 11 other classes would end up being left out. I think we should be able to save sets by tool/weapon equipped as well. So if you equip a tool, the armor you last had equipped to it will be automatically equipped as well.

what! went back and read what was said, that is not acceptable, gear set cannot be linked directly to class/job, that will be nightmare rare/ex even more so, but even crafted HQ gear! I thought we'd have like 6 gear sets #1-6, not per class...

i do suppose there is up side that people will have to concentrate on few jobs now.

edit: might also be good for markets all those belts and other items not part of AF gear sets

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Originally Posted by Reika

It would probably be good for them to include saving equipment in a secondary fassion, like by class. People are more likely to use equipment sets for battle classes, but there are only 7 of those. The 11 other classes would end up being left out. I think we should be able to save sets by tool/weapon equipped as well. So if you equip a tool, the armor you last had equipped to it will be automatically equipped as well.

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That was how FFXI worked but there was no set feature to keep the item from your inventory.

Basically your job would attempt to re-equip everything you last had on it when you switched previously, so long as that item was still in your inventory, you would be wearing it again without any need to put it back on.

I do agree though, every class needs a set. Atleast 1.

What people don't understand is that Yoshi didn't say the system will be as it is.
What he said is that the team couldn't come to an agreement on how to solve it and, as such, he's waiting on feedback from the alpha players on how to solve it the best way. So, temporarily, the system only supports that one item belongs to one gear set.

My opinion would be to create a new window (similar to the items window, or even a part of it) that shows you a list of all the gear you own, including the one you have currently equipped on you and on your gearsets. That way you could link the same item to different gear sets, and even have a way to easily check all your equipment for repairs or whatever.

My idea: Create a separate inventory in the Gear Sets menu that you can drag and drop gear from your inventory into the gear sets inventory. The Gear Set space will be large enough to house gear so that if you use unique gear in every slot for every available job, you can put it all in there.

When you make a gear set to use, you can pick any items that are in that gear set inventory so multiple sets can call for the same items.

Or they could have multiple sets of items that way if you have one class that fills every slot with an item you only use on the class you can fill the entire set for just that class. or you could have a melee dps set filled with assorted pieces that can be worn by multiple then you'd fill each class set with only the pieces that class wears individually and it would only put those pieces on, and then you could use the more universal set to fill in the rest.

EXAMPLE TIME!

My whm wears gear that only gets used by my whm, I don't use any of it's gear for any other class. When I am setting up the gear set, I just dump all of the gear whm uses and it gets equipped.

Now let's say my monk and my dragoon both have several pieces that both classes use as well as several pieces specific to each class. theoretically I could have three sets 1 that is DRG gear ONLY; one that is MNK gear ONLY; and one that is every piece both classes share (we're gonna call it DPS). When I switch to drg, I toss on the DRG set, and the DPS set. Or if I switch to monk I put on the MNK set and then the DPS set again.

Eh?

Yeah, I hope it's only a mistranslation/misinterpretation. Some people have "gear sets" that comprise of just swapping a few items and incorporate a lot of U/U gear. This couldn't possibly work in the way the translation spells it out.

I think the problem is the items go into a bazaar like system as a set, since it doesnt take up a slot in your inventory. Basically once you have it in a set the u/u quality of it isnt a factor since you can have a u/u in your loot or bazaar and still have one on you. That dynamic is the same as it is now, so I am curious to how they could fix that without compromising the existing way its done.

Thanks for posting ideas regardless of if its a translation error or not. I really think we need to prevent it being that we need to different items for 2 different sets no matter how they are doing it. And I don't think for that part there is any translation error. It seems pretty clear to me thats how it was put.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

My idea: Create a separate inventory in the Gear Sets menu that you can drag and drop gear from your inventory into the gear sets inventory. The Gear Set space will be large enough to house gear so that if you use unique gear in every slot for every available job, you can put it all in there.

When you make a gear set to use, you can pick any items that are in that gear set inventory so multiple sets can call for the same items.

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the problem for this one is, how many is the limit for the "separate inventory tab"? the number of gearset is dynamic,based on their quest progression for this one.

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Originally Posted by Aion

the problem for this one is, how many is the limit for the "separate inventory tab"? the number of gearset is dynamic,based on their quest progression for this one.

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We have 18 slots for gear. Each gear set you unlock would just add 18 more spaces in your gear set inventory.

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Originally Posted by Karbine

EXACTLY. I really do hope thats what we end up with.

The problem is how do they make the item not take up inventory space, and be assigned to multiple gear sets at the same time?

Say you have Gloves assigned to DRG, and WAR. You are playing BLM at the time and not using the gloves. Where are these Gloves actually found on your person if you were to try to NPC them for example? What menu do you go to take them from your character?

I see how this can be confusing for them to implement well but they really need to come up with some gear sharing system for sets AND still managa to keep these set items from taking inventory space in a 100 item inventory.

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It's possible because the actual item is stored on the first gear set. If you need the item you look at the first set. Or they could go further and make it so the link becomes a reference to the item, so that if you drag a link off a set it drags the item off your set and cancels all the links.

I think if they don't respond to this post in the forums they will have to react to the feedback in the alpha...or atleast the beta? I just don't want to see a bunch of little things like this sneak into the game and building on eachother making it a hassle to play.

I remember Septemeber 21, 2010. I remember.