New playable Race [[[[[ Moogle ]]]]]

or not :p if it was chosen as new race what skills would you like to have as a moogle

http://magicofavalon.org/images/ffxiv-moogle.png

I think this is a great idea if they looked more like the bunny-like moogles of FFXII. These things just wouldn't work as a playable race lol

As stated above, that is the race I want most, because it will actually make me feel like I am actually playing a FF race... I mean besides Ivalice FFVI had moogles in parties, so if they are just bigger and grounded It would be amazing! I am all for this... and it isn't already in the works don't expect it till an Expansion. (Which I think works better for story) like in the Expansion as an explanation they could be genetically mutated Moogles from Garlean experiments and they want revenge on their former Captors!!! Think of the possiblity :DDD!!!!

They're massively important as NPCs and also run the mognet, so it's basically impossible.

And what do you mean by "skills"? There's no race specific skills. Do you play this game or just post on the forums?

I would absolutely HATE to see Moogle as a race.

That many moogles running around would ruin it for me.

We already have Lalafel. Just give us a float ability and some moogle costumes and let's just pretend OK?

In my scenario the Moogles stay as they are and run the mognet, and the genetically mutated Moogles by the Garleans would be made to be warriors.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

In my scenario the Moogles stay as they are and run the mognet, and the genetically mutated Moogles by the Garleans would be made to be warriors.

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The what now?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...chestra_CG.jpg

I'd play the hell out of one of these...as an alt.

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Originally Posted by Colino

The what now?

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Read my original post, for perspective... I.E. Garleans capture some Moogles, and genetically test and modify them, (like current lore kind of teases about what they do to the Al Mhigo people.) and the mutations cause the moogles to get bigger and make them unable to fly after all the tests. If I was the story writer to explain how they became a playable race that would be it. That they also want revenge on the Garleans for what they did to them, with their new imposed mutations. And the "villian" garlean ones that we could fight just went crazy or lost their memory/mind and are drones for the Garleans.

I dunno, that doesn't exactly seem feasible. How does that explain the existence of thousand upon thousands that would be the players? And each moogle has that ambient sound around them. How do you explain that going away? Would they even have a culture to speak of, like the other races?

Yeah for some reason I don't think the devs rely on forum fan-fiction for their lore.

Sorry.

Have you never read any fantasy novels? or FFVII? How did they make Red XIII talk and such... Shinra genetically tested on Red and developed all those things. Also with Genetic Alterations the "ambient sound and ability to fly" can be lost due to the harshness of it. Also on the huge rise of population, Have any of you read 2.0 lore... moogles have stopped hiding and being mysterious and have come out of hiding to help us combat the Garleans, explaining why their is Mognet and moogle delivery in 2.0. Also whats to stop with my scenario the Garleans force breeding a lot of these altered Moogles?

Edit: keyboard loving to miss keystrokes...

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Originally Posted by Colino

Yeah for some reason I don't think the devs rely on forum fan-fiction for their lore.

Sorry.

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You never know, they do read all the forums, and discuss things, if it is a popular enough topic. Like they did with so many ideas we offered them with wanting to change. I am not expecting them to use my idea, I am just pointing out it is possible for current lore to explain why they can become a playable race in the future.

After years of evolution, some moogle has evolved into more combat-oriented beings:

http://www.finalfantasyd20.com/ffd20...2-moogle-a.jpg

i would play the hell out of that race.

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Originally Posted by Colino

They're massively important as NPCs and also run the mognet, so it's basically impossible.

And what do you mean by "skills"? There's no race specific skills. Do you play this game or just post on the forums?

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Damn, I've got to go talk to Rowena. She can't be an NPC anymore 'cause Hyuran is playable.

Someone better go tell Merlwyb, too.

EDIT: And hell, would someone tell that maroon van Darnus that he can't be an NPC Elezen!

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

You never know, they do read all the forums, and discuss things, if it is a popular enough topic. Like they did with so many ideas we offered them with wanting to change. I am not expecting them to use my idea, I am just pointing out it is possible for current lore to explain why they can become a playable race in the future.

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Moogles, a race of floating, ethereal creatures connected to the twelveswood and who have their own language that only certain people can understand, provide a link between the four races and the often living environment of places like the Black Shroud.

Now lets forget all that and add SCIENCE!

That's not explaining with lore, that's throwing it away.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Moogles, a race of floating, ethereal creatures connected to the twelveswood and who have their own language that only certain people can understand, provide a link between the four races and the often living environment of places like the Black Shroud.

Now lets forget all that and add SCIENCE!

That's not explaining with lore, that's throwing it away.

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Really then how do you explain the Garlean Empire? which was mentioned in my scenario. They use "science and engineering" unlike any of the nations and they experiment on their conquered citizenships. So whats to stop them from capturing some moogles and experimenting on them like they do the other 4 races, and they some how end up mutating them?

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

Damn, I've got to go talk to Rowena. She can't be an NPC anymore 'cause Hyuran is playable.

Someone better go tell Merlwyb, too.

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Nice hyperbole there.

I never said it's specifically because there are NPC moogles, but rather that they will be serving a really specific function in the game (that ONLY moogles will do).

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

Really then how do you explain the Garlean Empire? which was mentioned in my scenario. They use "science and engineering" unlike any of the nations and they experiment on their conquered citizenships. So whats to stop them from capturing some moogles and experimenting on them like they do the other 4 races, and they some how end up mutating them?

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Capturing "some" does not a playable race make. You do not explain the purpose for this. This makes the whole thing sound like it's pulled out of thin air, and not the stuff of good storytelling.

An example. The miqote of Ala Mihgo are cat girls, but then GARLEAN SCIENCE! They lost their tails in 2.0! And now fight the garleans!

Sahagin were a bunch of ornery seadogs, now playable because GARLEAN SCIENCE! Changed their colors! Now stalwart defenders of Limsa Lominsa's seas!

Behemoths not ridable? The GARLEAN SCIENCE came from the north... now with poodle tails. Behemoths can now take their fight to the Empire!

This is the best idea on the forums

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Originally Posted by Kallera

Capturing "some" does not a playable race make. You do not explain the purpose for this. This makes the whole thing sound like it's pulled out of thin air, and not the stuff of good storytelling.

An example. The miqote of Ala Mihgo are cat girls, but then GARLEAN SCIENCE! They lost their rails in 2.0! And now fight the garleans!

Sahagin were a bunch of ornery seadogs, now playable because GARLEAN SCIENCE! Changed their colors!

Behemoths not ridable? The GARLEAN SCIENCE came from the north...

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You didn't actually read anything I said did you.... also your forgetting some rather important facts about 2.0... They are 1. Rewriting a lot of the lore, moogles might be one of them, and 2. We are going to be at the end of the 7th umbral era, in the future, an unannounced amount of time has passed since we were sent away. Many things can happen. Maybe we were away for 100 years, and the Garleans enslaved these captured moogles and force breed them over 100 years to the extent of a mass population of them.

All I was doing was hypothesising a way they can make it fit into the story for us current players on how they could possibly introduce Moogles as a race, of course I am not saying it is fact. I am just saying how it could happen. Also in all honest I think at least 100 or more years have passed since the meteor even that will happen to us at the end of 1.0 to 2.0 because you can see the destroyed old big trees scattered around and uprooted, but there are younger newer trees growing which would take sometime after a hellfire from the skys burn them down.

Again we won't know till either the info is released.... or 2.0 is released. I am just wanting to express my favor for a Moogle PC race and how from the lore I picked up in the game how it could occur, with the info given to us.

I dont know why people are acting like it is so out of the realm of possibility for their to be 2 different subspecies of moogle when each playable race has 2 different sub races attached to them during the character creation process. This picture specifically:

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

http://www.finalfantasyd20.com/ffd20...2-moogle-a.jpg

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Reminds me of the differentiation between highlander and midlander. One is slender and baby faced while the other is rugged and built.

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Originally Posted by Xmbei

You didn't actually read anything I said did you.... also your forgetting some rather important facts about 2.0... They are 1. Rewriting a lot of the lore, moogles might be one of them, and 2. We are going to be at the end of the 7th umbral era, in the future, an unannounced amount of time has passed since we were sent away. Many things can happen. Maybe we were away for 100 years, and the Garleans enslaved these captured moogles and force breed them over 100 years to the extent of a mass population of them.

All I was doing was hypothesising a way they can make it fit into the story for us current players on how they could possibly introduce Moogles as a race, of course I am not saying it is fact. I am just saying how it could happen. Also in all honest I think at least 100 or more years have passed since the meteor even that will happen to us at the end of 1.0 to 2.0 because you can see the destroyed old big trees scattered around and uprooted, but there are younger newer trees growing which would take sometime after a hellfire from the skys burn them down.

Again we won't know till either the info is released.... or 2.0 is released. I am just wanting to express my favor for a Moogle PC race and how from the lore I picked up in the game how it could occur, with the info given to us.

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I think this is bad idea, and that you are not justifying it properly with saying on one hand you're "using the lore" you picked up from the game, then claim SE is "rewriting the lore" when you are called on making completely different creatures and still calling them ffxiv's version of moogles. Garlean science is not some magical plot beast to rewrite already existing elements in the Eorzean setting.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Nice hyperbole there.

I never said it's specifically because there are NPC moogles, but rather that they will be serving a really specific function in the game (that ONLY moogles will do).

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By which reasoning you conclude that it is impossible for them to be a playable race, because of a specific NPC function that their race is to serve.

The hyperbole is on your part. I merely satirize. (o.0 )

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

By which reasoning you conclude that it is impossible for them to be a playable race, because of a specific NPC function that their race is to serve.

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I said nearly impossible. And yes that is my conclusion as I personally find it highly unlikely they will ever be a playable race for reasons I already mentioned.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

The hyperbole is on your part. I merely satirize. (o.0 )

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Satire is ironic hyperbole, it doesn't change what you said were gross exaggerations and misinterpretations of what I said.

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Originally Posted by bahley

I think this is a great idea if they looked more like the bunny-like moogles of FFXII. These things just wouldn't work as a playable race lol

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UGH! LalaFAILS are bad enough and every fracking where as it is, we don't need even more tiny people wondering around.

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

After years of evolution, some moogle has evolved into more combat-oriented beings:

http://www.finalfantasyd20.com/ffd20...2-moogle-a.jpg

i would play the hell out of that race.

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That's not a Mog. That's a Lalafail wearing a Mog's skin. Don't you see the stitches on the arm and leg.

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Originally Posted by Colino

I said nearly impossible. And yes that is my conclusion as I personally find it highly unlikely they will ever be a playable race for reasons I already mentioned.



Satire is ironic hyperbole, it doesn't change what you said were gross exaggerations and misinterpretations of what I said.

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The point, sir, is that your reasons are completely illogical. (O.< ) Because an NPC race serves a noted function in the game, it is unlikely for them to be made a playable race.

You state "It is unlikely that the Moogle race will become playable because they serve a vital NPC function."

I state "Therefore, there should be no playable Rogadeyn females, no? Or, for that matter, Hyuran females."

You then state that it is hyperbole to make such a comparison. Elaborate as to why.

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

You state "It is unlikely that the Moogle race will become playable because they serve a vital NPC function."

I state "Therefore, there should be no playable Rogadeyn females, no? Or, for that matter, Hyuran females."

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There is no function in the game that an NPC Roegadyn can do that an NPC Hyur can not. However if we are getting the mognet (which we are) that is something ONLY mogs do. And it's not just the mog net I'm talking about.

How much of the game have you played through? Did you see any of the stories about the elementals and how the shroud works? Do you know that in the lore Moogles essentialy serve as messengers of not only the mystical elementals but also the Gods themselves? They are essentially forest priests.

Again I'm not saying it's completely impossible but lore wise it does not fit at all as they are supposed to be mystical and magical characters that are the sort of "missing link" between normal folk like us and the elementals. Making them a playable race would kind of spoil all that.

So lore and some binary are the only things making them unplayable.

Running counter to the above reasons, Moogles are popular and very integral to FF as a whole. Ask a dozen people for their favorite character from FFVI, four of 'em gonna say "Mog!"

As for lore making it unreasonable to introduce a new playable race, that begs the question how they'd be managing anything they introduce. Some folks want Bangaa, I am not among them, but there it is. Others want Viera. In what lore were Viera ever mentioned? Never. Dev Team gonna change things and make it up as they go, fitting the lore to the race. The same could be done for moogles.

Plus, it's the end of the world. All bets are off!

Moogle Bard playing songs buffing the PT

would be kinda cool

or Mime, like ff6

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

As for lore making it unreasonable to introduce a new playable race, that begs the question how they'd be managing anything they introduce. Some folks want Bangaa, I am not among them, but there it is. Others want Viera. In what lore were Viera ever mentioned? Never. Dev Team gonna change things and make it up as they go, fitting the lore to the race. The same could be done for moogles.

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No not really, because Moogles have been established in the storyline like I already mentioned.

Actually introducing brand new races is much easier than "converting" old ones because Eorzea is just one continent in the world of Hydaelyn and you could have the new race emigrating to Eorzea for any reason whatsoever (Garlean Attack, natural catastrophe, whatever).

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Originally Posted by Eagleheart

Plus, it's the end of the world. All bets are off!

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That's very true.

This is a game story not a holy bible, it can be changed, added to, or whatever. All yoshi needs to do is say: new continent with moogle decendents. Done all problems solved.

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Originally Posted by SwordCoheir

UGH! LalaFAILS are bad enough and every fracking where as it is, we don't need even more tiny people wondering around.

That's not a Mog. That's a Lalafail wearing a Mog's skin. Don't you see the stitches on the arm and leg.

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when a daddy moogle loves a mommy lalafell they do a special dance?

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Originally Posted by ShinigamiKayla

when a daddy moogle loves a mommy lalafell they do a special dance?

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Its called Leatherworking. And Ill tell you more when you are older.

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I think this is bad idea, and that you are not justifying it properly with saying on one hand you're "using the lore" you picked up from the game, then claim SE is "rewriting the lore" when you are called on making completely different creatures and still calling them ffxiv's version of moogles. Garlean science is not some magical plot beast to rewrite already existing elements in the Eorzean setting.

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Actually it is or else the Garleans wouldn't be calling down meteor to destroy us. That was rewritten because they needed an excuse to destroy the 1.0 world. So yes Garlean's because we know so little about them, truly, are a huge plot beast that they can use for anything (in a bare bones story that we got at 1.0 release) that that is exactly what Yoshi-P has been using them as for the past 2 years.

Colino, just stop arguing. No matter what lore they use, moogles could eventually be added as a playable race. The playable moogles might have nothing to do with the mognet moogles that we already know of. Maybe they traveled from a different continent, maybe they were genetic tests, maybe they rode unicorns to Eorzea from another planet. Who the hell cares, the cool thing about fiction is you can always fit new things into it and make more things up to explain the holes in the plot.

So again, stop arguing like things are set in stone, it is all made up.

Nope. That would be terrible. Moogles look like they should not be "alive" in this game. If, like someone else said, they looked more like actual creatures as in Ivalice-style, then perhaps. But as is now, I would hate to see it become a playable race.. it'd just be goofy.

No, just no.

I agree completely with everyone against including Moogles as playable. That being said, I'd still play as one in a heart beat if given half the chance.

No! Moogles where never really a playable race, only istance was in VI, other than that, nope.