Dark Knight and Gunbreaker are the perfect tank in dawntrail here wayThgi

This is coming from someone who does alot 4 man content. do not care for raiding but in 4 man content to me these tanks are perfect make up being a outstanding tank

healing sustain is powerful but isn't broken.
Abilitiies that combo well with each other
still has windows where healer does need to heal them from time to time. not ruining the fun for other roles like warriors bloodletting
Paladin is kinda boring its leveling experence 1-50 gets large differculty spikes when start getting large about of abilities no one really likes dealing button bloat until you want give yourself cappratunnel. still find playing gunbreaker little bit easier to play then paladin atm. not that paladin itself is hard but has way to many abilities constant shifting of buttons on cross hot bar. can be annoying to deal with see

remeber this is looking at the game only in the eyes someone does 4 man dungeons only dont care about raiding


what makes good tank design to me.

is does decent over all damage. has decent migation not really that overpowered still leaves room for the healer to heal. its powerful but not overpowered. dark and gun do most damage out of the tanks but its balianced. they have fantasy of "I'm a tank but Ill destroy you" watch is fine.

gunbreaker is fine cause when use there invur they lose 50% of there health this leaves room for new healing where dark knight even though abyssal drain is strong it does have cooldown and not something they spam. dark knight and gunbreaker actually need the healer.

Dark Knights Migration is not broken. but you have use it correctly have understand how shielding works in this game. if you use shadow wall + TBN you have much more effective sheild then just using TBN people say that dark mig is too week. i strongly disagree dark knight and gun breaker are only tanks with decent migration in the game that powerful but isnt godtier broken. so if expect every tank job play like warrior strongly needs a nerf to there healing in 4 man content (not raiding)

where warrior does not. cause of bloodletting and 8 other healing abilities they have. its kinda broken in 4 man content. thou you have warriors defend there overpoweriness tooth and claw. it is imbalianced. cause everyone knows warrior kinda suck at raiding squire-enix put themselves weird ackward position warriors actually weak as shit in raids they still clear but ppl still perfer dark and gunbreaker even paladin over warrior. however in 4 man content warrior is beyond broken. stepping way out of there station. healing way to strong ability and cooldowns are unreasonably short

in short warrior ruins the game for other jobs dont play it

dark knight and gunbreaker dont ruin the game for the other people they are strong but there fair.

PLD and GNB are quite similar jobs.

Both has a 123 or 12 AoE combo.

Both has two burst combos:
-Confiteor combo plus Blade of Honor
-Atonement
Vs
-Gnashing Fang combo plus Continuation (x3 times)
- Rage of the Beast combo.
- GNB also has Double Down.

Both has two buffs:
-Fight or Flight (which share the same button of Goring Blade).
-Requiescat (which share the same button of Blade of Honor).
Vs
-No Mercy (which share the same button of Sonic Break)
- Bloodfest

Both has two extra oGCD
- Circle of Scorn
-Expiation
Vs
-Bow Shock
-Blasting Zone

Both has an extra GCD to use during rotation.
- Holy Spirit
Vs
-Burst Strike (which leads to Hypervelocity, same button of Continuation).

GNB has two personal mitigations.
Paladins has four personal mitigation.
Both as two single target mitigation.
Gnb has one party Mitigation.
Paladins has two of them.

At the end, PLD has two more personal mit and one more party mit, which while playing a 4-men content aren’t those shifting the weight on the scale while GNB has Double Down as extra button (honesltyci don’t remember if is shared with Bloodfest).

So yeah, jobs are very similar in terms of number of buttons and rotation execution.
The real difference is that PLD is the most mobile Tank Jobs while GNB is the less mobile job due to the fact that it has more oGCDs to perform.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

but in 4 man content to me these tanks are perfect make up being a outstanding tank

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And how would you, Sakura Midnight, know how your lvl67 Gunbreaker and lvl67 Dark Knight play in a level 90-100 expansion exactly? Hrm? How much Dawntrail 4man content you so ardently focus on have you done as them, in particular?

Can you like, give us some streams of you playing them in Dawntrail, so we can more directly see your points? That'd be helpful, and since you clearly are very experiences at these two classes in lvl90+ 4man content, it'd be good learning content for other, more newbie-ish, GNB and DRK players.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

And how would you, Sakura Midnight, know how your lvl67 Gunbreaker and lvl67 Dark Knight play in a level 90-100 expansion exactly? Hrm? How much Dawntrail 4man content you so ardently focus on have you done as them, in particular?

Can you like, give us some streams of you playing them in Dawntrail, so we can more directly see your points? That'd be helpful, and since you clearly are very experiences at these two classes in lvl90+ 4man content, it'd be good learning content for other, more newbie-ish, GNB and DRK players.

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judging someone by there level again. how ignorant of you. thought you better

personally dawn-trail whole expansion sucks story sucks. No dont care play dawntrail. i refuse to play it but want see me do up to endwalker streaming ya sure.not touching dawntrail until evercold comes out

[QUOTE=Jokerz_93;6823876]PLD and GNB are quite similar jobs.

in 4 mans dungeons both tanks very capable of moving out the way
both tanks have sprint and both tanks have a gap closer

so what do you mean less mobile.

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personally dawn-trail whole expansion sucks story sucks. No dont care play dawntrail. i refuse to play it but want see me do up to endwalker streaming ya sure.not touching dawntrail until evercold comes out

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And yet you felt you had to make a thread explicitly about Dawntrail tank design. That you don't actually know.

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And yet you felt you had to make a thread explicitly about Dawntrail tank design. That you don't actually know.

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when was whole game ff14 based on dawntrail alone their are other expansions. please shut up

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

when was whole game ff14 based on dawntrail alone their are other expansions. please shut up

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You made the thread explicitly about Dawntrail. Don't write things you don't want people to read and then associate with you?

Look here, I can quote you on it, it's the subject of the thread:
> Dark Knight and Gunbreaker are the perfect tank [sic] in dawntrail [...]

If you didn't intend that to suggest knowledge about DRK and GNB in Dawntrail then why did you write it?!

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Originally Posted by Carighan

You made the thread explicitly about Dawntrail. Don't write things you don't want people to read and then associate with you?

Look here, I can quote you on it, it's the subject of the thread:
> Dark Knight and Gunbreaker are the perfect tank [sic] in dawntrail [...]

If you didn't intend that to suggest knowledge about DRK and GNB in Dawntrail then why did you write it?!

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are you really that daft? yes we are at dawntrial everytime release an expensation it effects every other expansion in the game cause abilities and job design somewhat changes. yes im in stormblood easily just open up my abilities and physically read every ability i am gonna get before i get

Like how evercold would make all other expansions before it completely change do to some class design changes. do see any difference between doing stormblood vs dawntrail

No non at all they use same formala they always use when doing dungeon design believe that 67 dark knight is different at its core then level100 dark knight you are wrong

still use filler combo still use aoe combo still use defensive cooldowns for most part it plays same, just one has few more abilities then the other. core of the jobs are always the same

If have go into deep detail then clearly you've played final fantasy 14 enough.

you have 1-2 single target combo. you have aoe combo. you have defensive cooldowns. and you wall to wall pull. all leveling up does adds on top of what already have. let me ask out of whole kit want is abilities you use the most. you may get mroe 1.2.3 combos or more ogcd but they follow same concept at heart. ocgd you weave. what abilities do get those abilities and what level. thats right 15-20 so pls stfu with this elitist im better then you shit cause your level100 and am not

what are buttons that you constantly press while wall to wall pulling in dungeon? I can tell you flat defensive cooldowns. your tank stance. your gap closer. your combos. and ogcds not differcult. your not different. you just have few more buttons that all. or buttons you change to other still the same concept.

I promise you harldy any difference what i do compared to level100 only few outliners but there not big difference at all

they use same dungeon design at its core
they use same questing design at its core
they have same quest markers and msq pathing

kill a boss get a chest. pull bunch of mobs use defensive cooldown. make sure you have aggro (watch isnt hard just spam aoe big packs normally that works)

but at 100 we have more abilities. more abilities pretty much do the same thing used different. ok best way to explain this. so your baby brain understand.

i have a bag of skittles. i put 3 skittles in your my hand and 6 in yours. you may have more skittles then i do. does your skittles taste better then my mine. no there skittles they all taste the same. is no difference in flavour.

yes i know skittles has different flavours like lime and lemon what not. core concept is the same. I still use same one-2-3 combo as you even if you had upgraded version still base concept still the same. i need press 3 buttons to do 1.2.3 combo

Dark Knight is a Dark Knight no matter what level it is. still dark knight. like lemon taste like lemon does not change to strawberry or grape. its just lemon. so if you think you are superior everyway being level100 dark knight compared to someone whos 67 you are wrong

Paladin is the best!

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

No non at all they use same formala they always use when doing dungeon design believe that 67 dark knight is different at its core then level100 dark knight you are wrong

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LOL

So you couldn't even read the tooltips, after you explicitly said that's how you do it... sigh. Or you randomly wrote the wrong of the two tanks you picked for this thread to write that about. Good try, had a 50/50 chance. Unlucky, I suppose.

Honestly DRK and GNB are the least dungeon friendly out of the 4 tanks. DRK especially suffers when the person is not at maximum gear lvl for the piece of content they are running due to your main mitigation tool being tied directly to health.

WAR being great starting at lvl 56 and beyond and PLD being decent at lvl 58 and beyond, these two tanks alone can make up for any bad healer in a dungeon. One can argue GNB being good at lvl 45, but lets be honest here. GNB doesnt really get good sustain wise until lvl 82 with HoC.

When comparing tanks in dungeons you have to look at how they perform at minimum ilvl with their kit and compare from there

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Honestly DRK and GNB are the least dungeon friendly out of the 4 tanks. DRK especially suffers when the person is not at maximum gear lvl for the piece of content they are running due to your main mitigation tool being tied directly to health.

WAR being great starting at lvl 56 and beyond and PLD being decent at lvl 58 and beyond, these two tanks alone can make up for any bad healer in a dungeon. One can argue GNB being good at lvl 45, but lets be honest here. GNB doesnt really get good sustain wise until lvl 82 with HoC.

When comparing tanks in dungeons you have to look at how they perform at minimum ilvl with their kit and compare from there

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I do think gun breaker is better then paladin but I have noticed that paladin struggles in question of DPS.

But play the tank you enjoy that's all that really matter

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I do think gun breaker is better then paladin but I have noticed that paladin struggles in question of DPS.

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They really do not. Checking the numbers site, there is ~1% difference in DPS between the tanks and that is both the current Savage raids and UMAD.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

They really do not. Checking the numbers site, there is ~1% difference in DPS between the tanks and that is both the current Savage raids and UMAD.

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I came back from a year away and I don't do savage anymore because well I feel like it's a waste of time to do those. Not because they aren't interesting but because I know the gear I would have grind would be useless in a couple month.

I still think paladin is weak in DPS then gunbreaker but dam paladin survive more tho and lets also be honest here.

unlimited blade works!

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I still think paladin is weak in DPS then gunbreaker

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And that's just factually wrong.

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And that's just factually wrong.

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I STILL THINK lol it's my opinion and that's all there is to it xx)

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Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails

I STILL THINK lol it's my opinion and that's all there is to it xx)

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It's not a matter of opinion: there are actual numbers that show that the DPS balance for tanks is very good.

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Originally Posted by Mukuku

It's not a matter of opinion: there are actual numbers that show that the DPS balance for tanks is very good.

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don't know because I honestly think people should play what they want I don't watch tier list and all that

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don't know because I honestly think people should play what they want I don't watch tier list and all that

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That's exactly all our point. You think there's an imbalance. There is none, people are free to play what they want without having to worry about raw output. xD

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

Dark Knight is a Dark Knight no matter what level it is. still dark knight. like lemon taste like lemon does not change to strawberry or grape. its just lemon. so if you think you are superior everyway being level100 dark knight compared to someone whos 67 you are wrong

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As someone that has pretty much played DRK as my primary tank job since it was released, I very much disagree with this statement.
To me DRK before lvl.70, when you get 'The Blackest Night', feels and plays very differently than after you get that ability. I would argue that TBN is the most foundational and unique aspect to how DRK plays.
If you haven't played DRK to the point where you get TBN, you haven't really been exposed to how DRK actually plays.
Using your fruit/lemon analogy, DRK before lvl.70 is like an unripe green lemon while after it get's TBN it is like it has finally just turned yellow and become ripe. While both are lemons, an unripe lemon and a ripe lemon taste very different.

Also reading tooltips may give you an idea of how a job plays, but that is very different from direct experience with the job and its abilities. They are not equal.

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Originally Posted by SakuraMidnight

Dark Knight is a Dark Knight no matter what level it is. still dark knight. like lemon taste like lemon does not change to strawberry or grape. its just lemon. so if you think you are superior everyway being level100 dark knight compared to someone whos 67 you are wrong

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Dark Knight doesn't even have mana management at level 67 yet, a core aspect of the job, that only comes at level 70 with The Blackest Night and Dark Arts.

Yeah Sakura once again outed herself as talking about things she cannot know anything about, no matter how hard she wants to. And in the process inherently invalidates all her other posts by association, since now we cannot know what she had personal experience with or didn't have any and is just shitposting about.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

They really do not. Checking the numbers site, there is ~1% difference in DPS between the tanks and that is both the current Savage raids and UMAD.

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Granted you can't really take their raid performance and extrapolate from it that they're also balanced in dungeons.

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Yeah Sakura once again outed herself as talking about things she cannot know anything about, no matter how hard she wants to. And in the process inherently invalidates all her other posts by association, since now we cannot know what she had personal experience with or didn't have any and is just shitposting about.

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Calling Dark Knight perfect should've given it away already.
Not even Heavensward Dark Knight was "perfect", but there was at least an idea behind it. Post-5.0 Dark Knight is just a mess.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

That's exactly all our point. You think there's an imbalance. There is none, people are free to play what they want without having to worry about raw output. xD

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well I replayed paladin and I do think my hand aren't doing enough xx) could also be why since my main tank is gunbreaker

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Granted you can't really take their raid performance and extrapolate from it that they're also balanced in dungeons.

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Which is a valid point, so, quick and dirty maths time. TL;DR, for AoE the rankings are as follows, DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR

*Highly dependant on how many Shadowbringer and Flood of Darkness you put in as well as damage gained from Living Shadow pet potency, so DRK might be higher than it actually is.

The maths:

Again, to point out, this is quick and dirty maths based solely on the potency of actions, which should be a reflection on the total damage.

Paladin:
GCDs, Total Eclipse, Prominence, Magic Circle, Blade Combo.
oGCDs, Circle of Scorn, Expiacion, Imperator, Blade of Honour (sorry, British, have to spell it right >_>)

Buffs, Fight or Flight (25%), Requiescat.

Total potency on initial target, 8187.5, each additional target 3935. Things to note, there is an extra GCD available under FoF, so there is potential for extra damage over the full duration, but that would just push the damage higher.

Warrior:
GCDs, Overpower, Mythril Tempest, 3x Decimate (IR), 2x Chaotic Cyclone, Primal Rend, Primal Ruination.
oGCDs, Orogeny, Primal Wrath.

Buffs, Storm's Tempest (10%), NOTE: all auto crit/DH took the potency and multiplied it by 1.875 (1.5*1.25).

Total potency on initial target, 6283.75, on all additional targets, 4331.25
Do note that, whilst there is an extra GCD used here, it still comes to less potency than all the other jobs and this is before we take into account crit rate on the other jobs, which only boosts them higher.

Dark Knight:
GCDs, Unleash, Stalwart Soul, Quietus, 3x Impalement, Disesteem
oGCDs, Salted Earth, Salt and Darkness, 4x Flood of Darkness, 2x Shadowbringer, Living Shadow

Buffs, Darkside (10%)

Total potency on initial target, 8511, for any additional targets, 6631.
Notes, I assumed 4 Flood of Darkness and 2 Shadowbringer casts, if you want to adjust values accordingly, you +/- 176 per flood and +/- 660/495.
In the calcs, Living Shadow is not granted the 10% buff from Darkside, I also do not know how the potency is affected because it is classed as a pet, so results might be higher than expected. In total, LS does 2450 potency on the initial target and 1312.5 on any additional targets.
There is also the fact not everything lines up evenly on a minute cooldown like the other tanks, so damage will scale quite a bit between pulls and this is one of the best case scenarios.

Gunbreaker:
GCDs, Demon Slaughter, 3x Fated Circle, Double Down, Lion Heart Combo
oGCDs, 3x Fated Circle, Blasting Zone, Bow Shock

Buffs, No mercy (20%)

Total Potency on initial target, 7644, total potency on additional targets 4560.
Things to note, this has assumed a setup of Demon Slaughter ready to be comboed and having 1 cartridge before starting, so this is close to a best case (with the only improvement being an extra Fated Circle, which, with enough enemies could pull ahead of Paladin, even if we used the last GCD on PLD for another Holy Circle. GNB and PLD are pretty close with GNB being better the more targets you have.

So, to recap, on the initial target, damage goes DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR and on additional targets the damage goes DRK* > GNB > WAR > PLD

However, since we took different amounts of GCDs to get the raw damage, if we take the average, the order changes to DRK* > GNB > PLD > WAR, do note that GNB and PLD are so close it is a <10 potency difference. If we take these averages and go over multiple mobs, the order stays as DRK* > PLD > GNB > WAR.

And, just as a point of reference, at 6 targets, using the provided numbers, PLD does ~4% more damage than GNB, which is an even bigger difference in PLD's favour than the single target DPS from raids.

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In the calcs, Living Shadow is not granted the 10% buff from Darkside, I also do not know how the potency is affected because it is classed as a pet, so results might be higher than expected.

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The deets: How Does Living Shadow Work Exactly

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Originally Posted by Mukuku

The deets: How Does Living Shadow Work Exactly

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Ah yes, the yearly reminder that Tank Mastery is a scam.

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Originally Posted by Carighan

The loss of extra damage from tank mastery because Esteem scales independently is already compensated, though?

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Esteem actually uses the "normal" scaling, not the "tank nerfed" scaling. This means Esteem scales better with STR compared to a tank.

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The loss of extra damage from tank mastery because Esteem scales independently is already compensated, though?

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As Mukuku said.
But this is also less about Esteem's scaling and more about the trait that says "grants a bonus to damage dealt based on your strength attribute" doing the exact opposite, reducing how much damage you gain from strength, therefore being a scam trait.

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Ah, so, where I assumed Living Shadow would do less damage, it would actually do more, just pushing DRK even further ahead of the other tanks in AoE. Knew that skill was weird.

I do wonder how Dark Knight will move into Evolved, its damage profile is 100% dependent on 2m buff heavy comps and isn't really built into the job itself. With those being gone Dark Knight is likely going to be a lot less explosive.

Personally I would prefer it kept the high damage psuedo DPS feel, even if its at the cost of being more frail with low sustain.

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I do wonder how Dark Knight will move into Evolved, its damage profile is 100% dependent on 2m buff heavy comps and isn't really built into the job itself.

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Huh? That's the easy part, that's all just tweaking potencies. And can pick whatever CD they want, can be 120s, can be 60s, can be no-fixed-CD.

Personally I'd of course be hyped for the last option, but make it tank-relevant. Esteem doesn't add as much damage (since it can be used frequently-ish), but the CD is unreliable, and while it is out our tank CDs cycle their cooldowns at 2x speed and TBN gets 2 charges of which the first is free to use (Esteem uses it). Best tank for rare bursts of repeated damage as a specialization.

I'd argue paladin is one of the best designed tanks in the game, still with some quirks and issues and arguably its self sustain should be toned down slightly. Paladin unlike other tanks has a very good advantage at range optimizing to me it makes the job more interesting and dynamic in what skills you should use theirs just generally more room. Having two stacks of your short CD Sheltron/intervention in the form of Oath gauge also means you can do stuff such as double mit or feel more safe to use sheltrons for autos when learning fight patterns ect. Also niche options like clemency/Cover can be a game changer in very rare situations. I think when people say Paladin is boring they're more Referring to either the early level experience or the lack of weaving, which me personally don't care if a job is busy as long as im pressing some things such as my gap closer for damage and my other ogcds.

GNB/DRK are kinda cool I think both have very good kits but they do merge into the general tank feel more then paladin does, I feel like they mesh with the tank formula more then paladin does, not to say PLD is also effected by rigid homogenization but I certainly feel like GNB/DRK really dont stand out as tanks other then "they weave a bit more" DRK I guess has TBN Which is kinda interesting.

Warrior feels really strange from a gameplay perspective in 4 mans as you are effectively just immortal as long as you know when to press bloodwhetting your other defensive don't matter, if your even average at the game you can do runs without healers very easily even when constantly messing up, where a Paladin would likely have to at least give up damage and the other tanks you have to kinda know what your doing without a healer (Though this is bad design separate from tanks more related to damage output and how tiny bits of sustain is generally enough). Warrior even in a game where damage values were proper and healers had a job the way warrior is designed its got a benediction on a 25s cooldown that lasts for 8s in AOE, Ontop of every other tool having some kind of sustain, Its rotation is also easily one of the more boring ones outside of DRK's (who's just value warrior with weaves).

If i had to rate tanks i'd go PLD > DRK > GNB >>> WAR due to how interesting i find their total kits and how much i think it lines up with fantasy, I dont see Warrior as this healing knight I dont get why it has stronger party healing then a paladin it doesn't make any sort of sense to me. DRK is fun due to how TBN works, GNB I may have ranked higher but recent changes really did make the job feel even more samey, to me it feels like Paladin with weaves. And I prefer PLD Due to ranged options and greater party utility so I have no desire to play anything other then PLD/DRK generally speaking even if i dont mind gunbreaker.

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Bloodletting just needs to go. its cancer for the game. its destroying the game. as long as it exist healer baliance will never be ok

Bloodwhetting is, quite frankly, the smallest problem with tanking. It's a big bad boogie man that overshadows every other problem with the support roles.

Does it make healers obsolete in dungeons? Sure, but they're still barely doing anything if you removed it from the game.
The difference between pressing two oGCDs per wall pull and pressing 0 oGCDs isn't very big.

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Bloodletting just needs to go. its cancer for the game. its destroying the game. as long as it exist healer baliance will never be ok

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You're showing your limited low-level-only experience again, Sakura. xD

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Bloodwhetting is, quite frankly, the smallest problem with tanking. It's a big bad boogie man that overshadows every other problem with the support roles.

Does it make healers obsolete in dungeons? Sure, but they're still barely doing anything if you removed it from the game.
The difference between pressing two oGCDs per wall pull and pressing 0 oGCDs isn't very big.

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I'll start off by making it clear, I think casual content is still important to somewhat balance and make every role feel useful, I think raiders forget that theirs more to the game then just raiding, I've tackled a few hardcore fights (not on this char before people look that up theirs a reason i dont use my main on forums) but I think its very important that casual players have fun.

Anyway my actual point is that unlike other tanks & defensive cooldowns which are more balanced when on minimum item levels to the point where a healer may actually have to HEAL the tank, a big issue in why people think "Tanks are OP" is because of how gearing works in casual content, Even a dark knight can sustain themselves in AOE If they have good gear, that becomes much harder when your stats are lower which makes healer feel more important.

The problem is a warrior has excess healing with good gear, so much they dont even need, with a min item level warrior this is even true because how Bloodwhetting is a infinite amount of healing in AOE situations that lasts for 8s on 25 cooldown with other sources of healing and defensive. Compared to jobs like PLD/GNB/DRK who generally have a short cooldown with one heal effect that isn't powered up by per enemy theirs always a finite amount of self healing, surely this becomes stronger with better gear as your hp, defenses and heal potency go up all together which has a massive value spike.

If you fixed gear scaling and general defensive value without changing BW it would be a problem cooldown, Holy sheltron, TBN nor HOC are problems because their healing is limited, BW simply isn't which causes problems in AOE Casual dungeons, Simple solution would be to remove the per enemy heal effect, Personally I think warrior needs a overhaul away from the "healing tank" identity into this more berserker tank. (Not to say it cant have self heal on par with other tanks). Self healing is ironically its reason why its so weak defensively in savage+ content because it loses value in hard core content.

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You're showing your limited low-level-only experience again, Sakura. xD

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that I can agree with you but I do have to say this raw intuition might be a bit to powerful early but as you go it become well just fine. I do think it should start weaker in healing power but upgrade as the game goes.

tho I wanna see a other skill but for like bosses because bloodwhetting on bosses isn't bad but isn't great compared to all other 25 second mit