Alisae . . .

Ok, I can't find another post on this. There was a definite attraction between her and the WoL, but in the last two expansions it seemed to disappear. I, personally, would like to see this relationship progress. As to how far it goes, that's up to the dev's, but I definitely want to see it back in the game. Call me what you will, but I really enjoyed those special moments between them. Anyways, get back on it!

The "attraction" was friendship, deep respect for a warrior, jealousy because wants to be that warrior herself. I never saw it as anything more than that. It stemmed entirely from the cutscene in Coils of Bahamut where she decides she wants to become a warrior like you. She actually kind of wants to outdo you but knows she can't, but she will keep trying anyway.

I loved so much the fact that there was one person I could trust with everything. If it was almost anyone else, I'd be thinking I'll have to go and help out since they'll struggle. But when she is handling things, I know it will be alright. That's how I saw the whole thing.

It never ceases to amaze me how people interpret it as a relationship all the time. They think this about Aymeric and so many others as well. I don't get it.

Dude she's 16 years old, 17 if we count her time in the First. The WoL is a full-grown adult. Even if you CAN argue she has a crush on the WoL it's just that, a harmless "schoolgirl crush". If they wanna show her being embarrassed about a crush on the WoL more fine but to pursue it as a reciprocated full-blown relationship would be beyond messed up so to this I say no. Hell no even, absolutely not.

There's an whole official short story from back in Stormblood that Y'shtola, Lyse, and Alisae talk about having a crush on the WoL. Its not coming from nowhere.

It definitely died off after Shadowbringers but it was real and if you say otherwise you're just lying to yourself. IIRC Ishikawa was talking about the WoL and relationships and used Alisaie as an example.

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

There's an whole official short story from back in Stormblood that Y'shtola, Lyse, and Alisae talk about having a crush on the WoL. Its not coming from nowhere.

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Huh, I thought she was crushing alil hard. Im not really a prude, it was noticed. But for a cute moment sure. I got to see "The Tomboy letting down her hair" trope, and as a big Tomboy fan I rather enjoyed it.

I really can't see Ali, and Alp for that matter, as anything but my little siblings, in a found family manner, it's been a while, but I remember Ameliance saying something along the lines of thinking of WoL as part of the family, and my reaction was just "Hell yeah, I got adopted in! Now they are really my siblings, time to go give Alp a celebratory wedgie!".

On a more serious note, even if the crush does exist, here's the thing... children, and I do count teenagers as children they are just on the upper limit of children, having a crush on someone older than them is completely natural, I also don't view that crush being an a-ok to pursuing that relationship, they will grow out of it eventually, maybe they even come to realize that it was never really a crush, just a form of adoration they struggled to interpret in another way, and I can easily see that being the case with Ali, she idolized WoL and wanted to be close to them, but at some point she realized she was satisfied with being a close companion to them and that this adoration she felt wasn't that much deeper than that, and so she has moved on. That's all there is to it.

how old is the wol anyway?

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Originally Posted by Asari5

how old is the wol anyway?

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It's left to player interpretation, as in to allow each player to make up their own OC, so no fixed age, just "an adult". If you mean Meteor Survivor specifically, I don't think he has a stated age either, but he looks in his late 20s/early 30s to me, at least as of Shadowbringers.

"There was a definite attraction between her and the WoL" Come now... It's a one-sided crush fueled by admiration that you can tease her about, there has never been any true romantic moments with your teenage-waifu, and considering the writers works with the WoL being "vague-adult-age" I don't see it happening any time soon (and I hope it will be never, as a huge "can we date the scions?" request hater), won't call you any names as I get a feeling this is just bait, but who knows with this wide world of ours.

Also...

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Originally Posted by Thaciscokidd

There's an whole official short story[/URL] from back in Stormblood that Y'shtola, Lyse, and Alisae talk about having a crush on the WoL. Its not coming from nowhere.

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What? In this story Alisae is teased about her admiration crush on the WoL, yes, but Lyse and Y'shtola makes no clear hints on liking the WoL like that. Lyse is flustered about a guy (not the WoL) being smitten with her, then is asked if she's got eyes for Hien, which she's flustered by too before thinking on someone else's admiration of Hien (so this is more Lyse/Hien than Lyse/WoL) and Y'shtola is asked if she fancies "Thancred, maybe? Or...one of the others?", which if others includes the WoL she straight up says no, and while she does tease both girls with a "if you must know" the only person she thinks about is her sister asking when she'll settle down with someone (no mention of the WoL).

Not to deny a "they all like the WoL" reading, but this is very much not a story of them talking about their crush on the WoL...

F no man she is a minor, that's disgusting.

Oh God… People are delusional with Ryne and Gaia and now this…

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Originally Posted by Asari5

how old is the wol anyway?

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Anywhere from 18 to 30, based on the expansion trailers and everyone calling him a "young man". Anywhere from barely an adult to thoroughly an adult.

Given how Alisaie looked in Shadowbringers, she's about a year away from her growth spurt and must have been truly annoyed about that coming back from the First and finding her body a year behind where she expected it to be. Which, ages aside, is the problem--Alisaie isn't fully mature yet, so even the youngest WoL would be wise to not follow up on any romantic feelings, should he have any for some reason (I could see an 18 or 19 year old Elezen WoL possibly having some, since that WoL would be familiar enough with Elezenness to innately know where the line is, but every other race WoL would be "holy shit no, she's a child").

JP loves to make their young, non-adult characters behave like they are older, or much wiser than they would commonly be at that age. They're still underage. Big no.

Please keep your delusional fantasies to yourself.

Touch grass.

If you talk about Alisaie (whom I love as a tomboy buddy or a solar little sister with a strong character), you could also talk about something that may have flourished between your WoL and Tataru :

I vaguely remember some quest where she looked for a role/job to better help the Scions and tries to become an Arcanist, but fails. Then afterwards, iirc there is a scene on the beach where she pauses while you depart from each other, turning back while the WoL leaves and then smiles. It was so cute I immediately thought there'd be something deeper behind that smile.

Plus, the fact that she is oblivious and even sometimes kinda 'reluctant' to follow the advances made by Wedge also makes me think her 'feelings' may be more focused towards the WoL in some way than meets the eye.

Finally, it's my opinion, but I found it so sad that she didn't get any involvement in Dawntrail and since the Scions disbanded after EW. Thinking back about that poor (but energetic and ressourceful) treasurer and mascot figure of the Scions alone in the Rising Stones makes me both nostalgic and tearful

A few years has passed in game time since ARR.

I think ARR-HW was one year.
Stormblood another year.
Shadowbringers At least three? Not counting the time dilation that passed in the First.
I'd say by Dawntrail It's been Four years.

That's not to say "Hehe legal age so it's all daijoubu" like ew no. Nor am I someone who discounts context just because characters are fictional.
Like, yes, not all fiction ascribes to the morality of the Real World, but let's cut the pretense we know very well that's twisting things for bad ends.

I reckon that it's natural for Alisae to have a crush/admire the WoL greatly. However, people want to view that as fine.
I also think it's fine to have a crush on Alisae as a player, not because of her age, but because you like the qualities of her character, which in a vacuum, separated from everything, is also completely normal.
You're not crushin' on Alisae cuz of her age or I'd at least hope not. You can find qualities of a character attractive. She's strong and brave. Wears her emotions on her sleeve. Deeply caring and passionate - what's not to like?

I mean, people crush on G'raha Tia, and he's technically lived for several hundred years in the first. People find it weird in real life when a younger lady dates an older man, for example? Is liking G'raha the same? or "Well he has the body of a 23-year-old so Hehe... it's all daijoubu" or Emet Selch and he's lived a thousand thousand lives as you may have heard, and sired children, is it weird for such a being to couple with a lady who is by all means a lesser creature in his own eyes?

G'raha Tia, for me, is a Kindred spirit on my adventures. Emet Selch is the Hades of convocation of Fourteen to me. A bearer of great pain, I can empathize. Perhaps a friend in a past life, but not my life.

Even I, as a Lalafell, sort of ship my Character and Tataru together. But it's not like a physical sexual thing... it's just I like Tataru as a character. She feels like a safe anchor point for my adventuring hero, someone to return home to, who cares about me and is frugal with finances, is always looking out for me in small ways that isn't being a battle companion. Nothing in the game explicitly makes these interactions romantic; it's just how I feel. A love for a character doesn't always have to come from a weird, dirty place.

In the end, people are gonna have crushes. It's how a player chooses to feel. For me, Alisae and Alphinaud are just my friends. I got to watch them grow into the people they are now. I'm very proud of them.

I think it's fine long as it's like who the character is, People latch onto personalities; it doesn't have to be physical or predatory.
Not trying to distort real world boundaries, or rooted in harmful relationship power dynamics.

I think that's fair, no?

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Originally Posted by Nadda

A few years has passed in game time since ARR.

I think ARR-HW was one year.
Stormblood another year.
Shadowbringers At least three? Not counting the time dilation that passed in the First.
I'd say by Dawntrail It's been Four years.

That's not to say "Hehe legal age so it's all daijoubu" like ew no. Nor am I someone who discounts context just because characters are fictional.
Like, yes, not all fiction ascribes to the morality of the Real World, but let's cut the pretense we know very well that's twisting things for bad ends.

I reckon that it's natural for Alisae to have a crush/admire the WoL greatly. However, people want to view that as fine.
I also think it's fine to have a crush on Alisae as a player, not because of her age, but because you like the qualities of her character, which in a vacuum, separated from everything, is also completely normal.
You're not crushin' on Alisae cuz of her age or I'd at least hope not. You can find qualities of a character attractive. She's strong and brave. Wears her emotions on her sleeve. Deeply caring and passionate - what's not to like?

I mean, people crush on G'raha Tia, and he's technically lived for several hundred years in the first. People find it weird in real life when a younger lady dates an older man, for example? Is liking G'raha the same? or "Well he has the body of a 23-year-old so Hehe... it's all daijoubu" or Emet Selch and he's lived a thousand thousand lives as you may have heard, and sired children, is it weird for such a being to couple with a lady who is by all means a lesser creature in his own eyes?

Even I, as a Lalafell, sort of ship my Character and Tataru together. But it's not like a physical sexual thing... it's just I like Tataru as a character. She feels like a safe anchor point for my adventuring hero, someone to return home to, who cares about me and is frugal with finances, is always looking out for me in small ways that isn't being a battle companion. Nothing in the game explicitly makes these interactions romantic; it's just how I feel. A love for a character doesn't always have to come from a weird, dirty place.

In the end, people are gonna have crushes. It's how a player chooses to feel. For me, Alisae and Alphinaud are just my friends. I got to watch them grow into the people they are now. I'm very proud of them.

I think it's fine long as it's like who the character is, People latch onto personalities; it doesn't have to be physical or predatory.
Not trying to distort real world boundaries, or rooted in harmful relationship power dynamics. If shipping comes from a good place in your mind, you can just dial the ages to wherever it's appropriate.

I think that's fair, no?

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Wise, wise words ! What is needed to appreciate the story and lore of some art that is FFXIV, while still acknowledging the much needed boundaries between some fiction and our reality, and not simply discarding any opinion and necessary rules because of first false impressions or some a-priori bad thoughts towards the OP.

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Originally Posted by Nadda

A few years has passed in game time since ARR.

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This is sorta confirmed by various bits of in-game information put together. Most specifically, ~8 months are confirmed to pass between patch 2.2 and mid-4.0, and ~3 years between ARR and DT. Obviously there is some flexibility to be argued, but figures like "80 years" are most definitely NOT intended to be interpreted as "80 years, give or take a few"

Three years puts Alisaie at age 19 as of DT, which means she's still very much a child because Elezen are late bloomers.

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Originally Posted by Darkemoon

Ok, I can't find another post on this. There was a definite attraction between her and the WoL, but in the last two expansions it seemed to disappear. I, personally, would like to see this relationship progress. As to how far it goes, that's up to the dev's, but I definitely want to see it back in the game. Call me what you will, but I really enjoyed those special moments between them. Anyways, get back on it!

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Originally Posted by Nadda

A few years has passed in game time since ARR.

I think ARR-HW was one year.
Stormblood another year.
Shadowbringers At least three? Not counting the time dilation that passed in the First.
I'd say by Dawntrail It's been Four years.

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No, this is not correct. They've gone on the record that XIV exists in a time bubble currently. A blanket "as much time as necessary" has passed but the exact quantity is undetermined. Until they blatantly state how much time has passed, no actual meaningful time has passed. It's EXTREMELY lazy writing admittedly, but it's what they have gone for.

For the sake of narrative currently, the twins are still physically 16. Mentally 17 if we count the time dilation of the First.

I always read it as hero worship to start, growing into more of a sibling relationship over time.

That's always the tricky part about implied NPC attraction towards the Warrior of Light, it always sets off arguments if someone "totally was or totally wasn't". I guess I can "sorta" see her crushing on us back then, the same way I can "sorta" see Thancred being flirty with us early on, but I assume those things got dropped by Shadowbringers, which was incidentally the same expansion where they wanted to give the Scions development SEPARATE from the Warrior of Light (which is also when we ended up with our little "Y'shtola X Runar" dilemma too).

Whether or not the Scions (or any other NPC) SHOULD be a romance option is a whole other can of worms, because there's arguments for and against literally every single Scion alone before even bringing in anyone else into the eligible bachelors and bachelorettes, and probably why we won't ever see such a gameplay mechanic.

Ask around here enough and you will discover. All the scion want the WoL and long list of other characters want the WoL. Its like a FF blue light special on the WoL.

She's a child with a crush.

If it's "fading" then she's naturally growing out of it.

I've always seen it as a big brother/sister and lil sis type relationship. At best I can see her having a teenage crush on the WoL, but I headcannon the WoL to be now around 25+ years old and she's still.. 16? 17? Not my cup of tea for romantic relationships.
Although in DT I did notice their close relationship dwindle in favor of her caring more about Wuk Lamat (which I didn't like at all, like, you just met her, wth?)

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Originally Posted by Moonkittie

Although in DT I did notice their close relationship dwindle in favor of her caring more about Wuk Lamat (which I didn't like at all, like, you just met her, wth?)

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You can't hold that against her, everybody cares a lot about Wuk Lamat. At least everybody who was written by SE, and had no say in the matter...

But now I'm wondering... with me mostly playing female characters, should I start to think more about Little Lord Alphinaud? /yikes/

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Originally Posted by Selsix

No, this is not correct. They've gone on the record that XIV exists in a time bubble currently. A blanket "as much time as necessary" has passed but the exact quantity is undetermined. Until they blatantly state how much time has passed, no actual meaningful time has passed. It's EXTREMELY lazy writing admittedly, but it's what they have gone for.

For the sake of narrative currently, the twins are still physically 16. Mentally 17 if we count the time dilation of the First.

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That might be an official line depending on when it was written, Like I don't know where that was said maybe in an interview 10 years ago or something when ARR or HW was fresh which technically happen in succession of eachother but a time bubble doesn't necessarily mean that a few years couldn't have passed since then. Unless we're to believe all of ARR to now Dawntrail happened in less than a year? Which I highly doubt.

I think it's safe to say the Devs intention in saying that is to avoid pinning down an exact multi-year calendar so the story stays accessible and consistent for everyone, new or veteran. Less than is a major canonical statement. I also just think it makes it easier for them to tell a story not to think about having all characters at least in their physical primes.

And to be honest, that wasn't the full point I was trying to make. ^.^"

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Originally Posted by Selsix

No, this is not correct. They've gone on the record that XIV exists in a time bubble currently. A blanket "as much time as necessary" has passed but the exact quantity is undetermined. Until they blatantly state how much time has passed, no actual meaningful time has passed. It's EXTREMELY lazy writing admittedly, but it's what they have gone for.

For the sake of narrative currently, the twins are still physically 16. Mentally 17 if we count the time dilation of the First.

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And then you get the odd statement from lore saying that 16 is adulthood by Sharlayan law. Doesn't mean it should override IRL or anything though, but it's funny nonetheless.

Although the age difference would still be a worry, quick reminder that other countries have the age of consent at 16 or can be lower. So someone crushing on Alisae isn't completely off the table.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

But now I'm wondering... with me mostly playing female characters, should I start to think more about Little Lord Alphinaud? /yikes/

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That was one of the most glaring issues if Square-Enix actually made the Scions into romance options; If you were into the ladies, your options were Y'shtola and... yeah that's it. Because not only do people object to Alisaie over her age, but you had others who insisted Krile and Tataru were off the table because of them being Lalafell. Even trying to stretch it and include Lyse was met with pushback due to the large amount of people who apparently dislike her. Oh, and Y'shtola herself has more people that would apparently ship her with a certain NPC than themselves.

With the male options you have at least 4 flavors of bishounen even if you exclude Alphinaud, but even then not everyone finds those dudes desirable.

So yeah, even if the game ever did add some kind of romance mechanic for NPCs, the Scion dating pool would be dire if not a complete wash depending on one's preferences.

so surprised that this thread hasn't been posted to the shitpostXIV subreddit there is so much gold here lmao.

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Originally Posted by jomas_45

Although the age difference would still be a worry, quick reminder that other countries have the age of consent at 16 or can be lower. So someone crushing on Alisae isn't completely off the table.

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...It's not her age. It's her physical maturity. In Shadowbringers she was becoming a young woman. In Endwalker, back in her body that hadn't got that year extra age, she is still physically a child.

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Originally Posted by Astronis

...It's not her age. It's her physical maturity. In Shadowbringers she was becoming a young woman. In Endwalker, back in her body that hadn't got that year extra age, she is still physically a child.

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This. Even accounting for the figures in DT that put her at 19, she's still physically a child for at least 5-6 more years.

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Originally Posted by Aidorouge

That was one of the most glaring issues if Square-Enix actually made the Scions into romance options; If you were into the ladies, your options were Y'shtola and... yeah that's it. Because not only do people object to Alisaie over her age, but you had others who insisted Krile and Tataru were off the table because of them being Lalafell. Even trying to stretch it and include Lyse was met with pushback due to the large amount of people who apparently dislike her. Oh, and Y'shtola herself has more people that would apparently ship her with a certain NPC than themselves.

With the male options you have at least 4 flavors of bishounen even if you exclude Alphinaud, but even then not everyone finds those dudes desirable.

So yeah, even if the game ever did add some kind of romance mechanic for NPCs, the Scion dating pool would be dire if not a complete wash depending on one's preferences.

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Workplace romances often are in for a rough time, so personally I would keep my fingers from any Scion. Then again, I always wondered if there is a Mrs. Hien Rijin? This guy is a state leader, he knows what he's doing most of the time, and seems to be an overall interesting and funny person. Especially when compared to the Scions...

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Originally Posted by SkankyRoe

This. Even accounting for the figures in DT that put her at 19, she's still physically a child for at least 5-6 more years.

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Are Elezens not allowed to date people until they get their growth spurt or something?

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Originally Posted by Ajisaii

Are Elezens not allowed to date people until they get their growth spurt or something?

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I think it's fair to wait until an Elezen starts what most people would recognize as puberty.

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Originally Posted by SkankyRoe

This is sorta confirmed by various bits of in-game information put together. Most specifically, ~8 months are confirmed to pass between patch 2.2 and mid-4.0, and ~3 years between ARR and DT. Obviously there is some flexibility to be argued, but figures like "80 years" are most definitely NOT intended to be interpreted as "80 years, give or take a few"

Three years puts Alisaie at age 19 as of DT, which means she's still very much a child because Elezen are late bloomers.

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Could you elaborate on these 8 months passing between 2.2 and 4.0? I'm interested in figuring out how much time has passed in the story and I don't recall when this was mentioned, besides the boat trip to Kugane taking a while.

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Originally Posted by Gwenkatsu

Workplace romances often are in for a rough time, so personally I would keep my fingers from any Scion. Then again, I always wondered if there is a Mrs. Hien Rijin? This guy is a state leader, he knows what he's doing most of the time, and seems to be an overall interesting and funny person. Especially when compared to the Scions...

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I too would prefer certain other NPCs before I would consider the Scions, of which Y'shtola is the only one I would want.

As luck would have it, most of those NPCs are class/job ones that are literally doing nothing else right now and are canonically capable of engaging in combat due to their own class/job just in case there's any concern about them tagging along on adventures (well... except one, but even just getting out of bed can be a danger for her). The writers can come up with any excuses they want to ship Y'shtola back off to the First if they really want to make the Runar thing happen, I won't be too heartbroken about it and wish them well.

Leih Aliapoh, K'lyhia, V'kebbe, D'zentsa, O'tchakha, Ranaa Mihgo, Lalah Jinjahl, Y'mhitra, Loonh Gah, Zhloe Aliapoh, M'naago... tons of other cute catgirls out there I can try and slide into the DMs of, and I don't even got to visit another shard, lol.

Perhaps the author is from a country where most if not all of these things are pretty legal and nobody cares? Dunno

Am living in such where this is considered normal.