How does anyone take pvp seriously?

Not only that, how do you expect it to ever not suck with the games network infrastructure?

People get so mad in frontline roulette sometimes for teams not coordinating to the "commander larper" in alliance chat.

this isn't chess it's 72 man whack a mole chaos royale and no amount of sweating will change that.

you're supposed to take it seriously?? :thinking:

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Originally Posted by Reginald_Cain

Not only that, how do you expect it to ever not suck with the games network infrastructure?
People get so mad in frontline roulette sometimes for teams not coordinating to the "commander larper" in alliance chat.
this isn't chess it's 72 man whack a mole chaos royale and no amount of sweating will change that.

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That’s really more of our problem than a universal one for all FF14 community
I have characters on both the Japanese and Traditional Chinese servers, and the experience there is noticeably different from what we see here.
It is not perfect, far from it.
When there’s no commander present, matches often devolve into players just chasing kills rather than playing for the objective.

However, during prime time, the dynamic shifts significantly.
You frequently get Commander vs Commander vs Commander, which turns matches into genuinely engaging three way battles.
It creates a level of unpredictability and coordination that makes the mode far more enjoyable than the typical experience we are used to here

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

That’s really more of our problem than a universal one for all FF14 community
I have characters on both the Japanese and Traditional Chinese servers, and the experience there is noticeably different from what we see here.
It is not perfect, far from it.
When there’s no commander present, matches often devolve into players just chasing kills rather than playing for the objective.

However, during prime time, the dynamic shifts significantly.
You frequently get Commander vs Commander vs Commander, which turns matches into genuinely engaging three way battles.
It creates a level of unpredictability and coordination that makes the mode far more enjoyable than the typical experience we are used to here

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And in my opinion, witnessing/participating to this level of unpredictability and coordination (as so rightfully described above) at their peak create the most enjoyable and fun moments or games of Frontline (be it a win or a loss), even though such moments and games tend to be rare. A "wow" moment for those sensible to this thrill.

Taking it seriously? Not really, not until it has some visible results. I'll even take something cosmetic like my FC's banner flying from a settlement in the overworld, with a bunch of generic "(FC name)'s Guards" in the equipment and colours (glamour) we picked around it, until another FC conquers it from us.

But it can be fun regardless.

Well there's your problem: you're talking about Frontline. It hasn't been good in a very long time and has long rewarded lethargic play. The players that it attracts are generally not there to sate some competitive spirit, no matter how many "commanders" you want to throw in there.

Until the reward-to-effort structure changes, I fear that Frontline is not much more than a playground.

Not anymore, no, not ever since the presence of premades made me realize that all matches can be predicted in the first 2 minutes and individual contribution doesn't exist.

"Follow the deathball and pray RNG gives you the better 4/8-man stack" doesn't make for engaging gameplay, and Crystalline Conflict isn't much better now that duos are allowed in. It's best to just do whatever you feel like, trying to derive what little enjoyment you can out of it while you seek Series 25-30 and then can stop queuing for a few months.

Most people take it seriously so don't worry about it. Specially those that are constantly with premades and those that want to farm best ranking for frontlines, those take it seriously. The entire pvp mode is a hot garbage that needs to be reworked and changed but we all know devs won't do it nor are capable of. The entire idea that tanks should get damage reduction + role actions is a mess. Same with other classes. There's no need for role actions.

As what Aidorouge said, half of frontline games are predictable when you notice premades and you already know the outcome.

Unfortunately this is a problem due to low population playing pvp so its very frequent to see same players over and over + discord premades being in large groups.

Edit: let's not forget cheaters who also use 3rd party tools in pvp and gain massive advantage.

Thats why pvp is trash and should be deleted. If i lose, it’s because i did something wrong. In this case, its others fault for playing this game too casually while watching netflix, afkin, ignoring shouts, etc. It’s doesn’t feel like it’s a 1/3 chance of winning.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

Thats why pvp is trash and should be deleted. If i lose, it’s because i did something wrong. In this case, its others fault for playing this game too casually while watching netflix, afkin, ignoring shouts, etc. It’s doesn’t feel like it’s a 1/3 chance of winning.

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You have the option of not queuing.

People take it seriously so we can finish our achievements and be done with it. Then we can get back to enjoying the game. If you are not taking it seriously, then you are just prolonging the suffering for others. At present, I have 1000 wins for Maelstrom done and am in the 800s for Immortal Flames, so getting close to that checkpoint. It can be extremely frustrating to watch a sure win get pissed away simply because people can't listen.

Example 1) Shatter. Team repeatedly ignores pinch warnings. Each mass death event costs us 50-100 points and there are several over the course of the match. In the end, we lose by less than 50 points. The feeders then get toxic and blame the ice lickers, when it was their fault.

Example 2) Secure. It is late game. Yellow is 2200s, almost 2300. My team still fighting with blue at mid, long after event is over. Yellow is grabbing outer nodes to win off of while my team refuses to leave mid. Adders sip tea and laugh at us all the way to 2400 and win.

Example 3) Onsal. Red is in the lead, but team obsessed with fighting yellow. Red is over 1000 points and gets uncontested A rank and S rank because team ignoring callouts. Red wins.

This sort of thing happens VERY often. There are no shortage of clowns out there, and when you are trying to get things done, it can be painful to see these things happen. This is even worse when you have a 10-12 minute queue time, only to get a team that openly laughs about not trying.

I don't wish to be overly negative, but this is the reality of the game mode and why people can be the way they are. I have seen countless teams, chock full of BH5, lose simply because they weren't paying attention.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

Thats why pvp is trash and should be deleted. If i lose, it’s because i did something wrong. In this case, its others fault for playing this game too casually while watching netflix, afkin, ignoring shouts, etc. It’s doesn’t feel like it’s a 1/3 chance of winning.

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Don't pvp it's not for you.

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Originally Posted by Atreus

You have the option of not queuing.

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I also have an option to have my voice heard to address the issues & how unbalanced it is. Then again, some people just enjoy slop.

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Originally Posted by Teno

Don't pvp it's not for you.

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This game doesn’t have real pvp, it’s just trying to be 1 but fails miserably.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

I also have an option to have my voice heard to address the issues & how unbalanced it is. Then again, some people just enjoy slop.
This game doesn’t have real pvp, it’s just trying to be 1 but fails miserably.

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Ah yes, the legendary take from someone who clearly thinks their opinion carries more weight than everyone else: I don’t understand it, therefore it’s not real.
Truly the pinnacle of intellectual discourse.
I am sure there is a PvP system out there just waiting for your approval......maybe check back in a few decades.

And yes, you absolutely have the option to have your voice heard.
It is heard.
It’s just that, personally, I discard it......because it contributes nothing of value to the discussion.
But hey, don’t let me stop you.
Keep declaring it not real PvP
It is probably easier than actually figuring out why you’re struggling with it.

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Originally Posted by JerryBerrry

I also have an option to have my voice heard to address the issues & how unbalanced it is. Then again, some people just enjoy slop.

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Complaining is all good, but would you like to propose constructive idea instead of "it sucks", "it's the worst", or "delete PvP" ?
I don't have any, so now I stop complaining for nothing for hours about Frontlines' myriad of flaws (especially unmotivated players).
I love to read people's idea to improve this mode that is dear to my heart, so less complaints, more propositions please.