So I've been thinking on how Midgar and the Shinra Electric Power Company could be introduce in 14. With what we learn about Alexandria and Electrope. Do you think that both Midgar and the Shinra Electric Power Company should be in the 9th shard like Alexandria was?
It would make sense since Shinra is an 'Electric Power Company'. But that is just a thought that came and wonder if it can work.
Midgar in FF XIV, (Dawntrail spoilers)
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11-08-2025, 10:48 PMPimsan20Midgar in FF XIV, (Dawntrail spoilers)
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11-08-2025, 11:34 PMGarruss
I'd rather they lean away from just taking ideas from other FF's for a while, a nice original story would be good. Plus, I don't think we are at the panic mode they need to break the FF7 glass just yet
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11-09-2025, 12:12 AMJeeqbit
My guess is they will keep it simple and keep 1 shard for each FF. Anyway, Garlemald is sorta...
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11-09-2025, 12:36 AMPimsan20Yea, i can see the resemblance between Shinra and Garlemald. Even thinking that they will ad some 7 elements in Garlemald in a future expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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11-09-2025, 12:58 AMKozh
Nah, eff that. They already milk 7 and 8 so much. Let other FF be referenced if they have to
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11-09-2025, 01:06 AMKranel_SanI've been saying this since 7.0, but Everkeep from the outside looks like Midgar from outside as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pimsan20
You cannot convince me that the devs aren't testing out the technical limitations of introducing a city such as Midgar and how it will be perceived by the players outside.
Although as others mentioned, I'd really prefer if SE starts introducing original content and stories again which FFXIV will be remembered for, rather than taking ideas and replicating the stories of other mainstream games. -
11-09-2025, 01:35 AMStriker44I've always seen Garlemald as just a straight-up FF6 reference. Empire out to conquer the continent, Magitek everywhere, etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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11-09-2025, 01:58 AMAzurarok
The earlier parts of the new dungeon did remind me of the collapsed expressway from 7. Don't think it's unreasonable for there to be a region inspired by another FF game being in the same shard, at least.
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11-09-2025, 03:54 AMOdrN
It would be kinda weird to put so VII references inside a IX reference in XIV.
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11-09-2025, 03:56 AMSelsixDoesn't make sense since the 9th is based on FF9 and Midgar is from FF7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pimsan20
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11-09-2025, 04:21 AMmallleable
As someone who wants a Midagr in XIV, I think it narratively works best on The Source. A Shinra-like would be a threat to The Source's lifestream, and as a consequence, the lifestreams of the surviving reflections, and thus higher stakes. I think XIV's Midgar could be a Garlean city, and hidden somewhere in Ilsabard or it could be hidden in Meracydia, and potentially have ties to Allag.
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11-09-2025, 05:03 AMAlice_Rivers
Given how SE uses and milks FF7, it's use in FF14 will signal the end of days (again), either the game will be so unprofitable as to call for desperate measures or so devoid of ideas that there's nothing left but FF7.
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11-09-2025, 09:22 AMSkankyRoeThat train boss is a summon from FF8 thoQuote:
Originally Posted by Aidorouge
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11-09-2025, 09:57 AMSicariusSevenCorrect. They weren't subtle after you get the Magitek Armor Mount and listen to the theme it plays when you ride it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
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11-09-2025, 10:40 AMEnkidoh
Garlemald's capital however certainly had more than a few references to Midgar (the Forum Solus park is clearly meant to reference Evergreen Park, the ruined playground in the Sector 6 Slums for instance). And there has been plenty of other FFVII place references scattered throughout the game already (Costa del Sol and Gold Saucer being the two big ones of course, and then there was Eulmore's design in the First thematically referencing Midgar with the elite living in luxury suspended above the destitute living in sprawling slums on the filth they discard.).
To be really honest though, I'd rather SE just kind of move on from direct place references and feature original locations again, with only the occassional fanservices reference, as it's kind of starting to get out of hand (I mean, I love referencing past FF games as much as the next FF fan, and Yoshi outright said when ARR was still in development that it was going to feature extensive fanservice referencing to the series' history, but it's now so widespread as to be coming across now as more just lazy game design on the development team's part). -
11-09-2025, 02:57 PMKozhYea, might as well have it 1:1 ff7 but made using ff14 asset (plus your WoL tagging along). Though honestly maybe that would be more faithful remake than ff7 "remake" trilogy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alice_Rivers
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11-09-2025, 03:00 PMKozhWe already get heavily referenced ff8 in shb though. Must we have a ff8 based expansion still? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by SkankyRoe
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11-09-2025, 08:24 PMJeeqbit
We've also of course had the weapons from FF7 in the Sorrow of Werlyt, which in the lore are associated with the Garleans. They are portrayed as this city of technology that want to do evil things, while suppressing the people who reside in their territories (sound familiar? Shinra suppress their citizens).
The resemblence of Garleans to other FFs is because really a lot of other FFs take inspiration from eachother, so that when we got the Garleans a number of other FFs had done something along these lines already.
We also have materia. I do very much wish we flat out had the materia system from FF7, but nevertheless, having materia formed from the surrounding aether and slotting it into our gear just to give stats has certain similarities to FF7's system if you think of things like HP Plus, MP Plus, Speed Plus, Luck Plus, etc.
We have the bike on the mog station, gear from veteran rewards, and FF7 inspires a lot of the jobs generally because Aerith/Aeris is your White Mage, Cloud is your Dark Knight, Cid is your Dragoon, Tifa is your Monk, Barret/Vincent are your Machinists, Yuffie is your Ninja. I... don't know what Red XIII is.
And of course, we have the Gold Saucer and something resembling its Chocobo Racing system.
There's almost not much more they can actually do other than giving us another shard where there's a company called Shinra that suppresses its citizens, but they've repeated this trope so many times, and it's still ongoing with the Garleans because we haven't explored all their territories yet. I'd like to hope they just do something more exciting, and most likely they will.
The only other thing they can do of course is have us fight Sephiroth but I really think that would be cringe. I feel like Zenos was the best version of that and they should leave it at that - it was a character with long hair and swords, that could not be beaten by anyone else, who was willing to bring about the end of the world just to satisfy their own desires, and had the capability to transcend the limits of their own flesh - sound familiar? -
11-09-2025, 09:15 PMExmo
Midgar's technology is diesel, grime, material, engines humming, metal and rust.
Alexandria's technology is green and clean, abstracted, circuit boards, magic and holograms.
If they try to make the technology of the two cities contiguous, it would deteriorate the feel and tone that makes Midgar identifiable. -
11-10-2025, 02:29 AMDiaDeem
Personally, I don't wanna see as much as a rotary phone in my fantasy RPG for a while. I know high tech has a place in Final Fantasy, and Allagan stuff has never felt out of place, but Dawntrail took it a bit too far for me. I'm glad some people are enjoying it, but I'm so ready to move on.
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11-10-2025, 02:45 AMDaraliiAllag, Garlemald, et cetera were thoroughly integrated into the rest of the setting even when they were pulling from other games. S9's integration was closer to Nier's than anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by DiaDeem
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11-10-2025, 02:59 AMDiaDeemSolution 9 feels more like Coruscant in Tron than anything ever in Final Fantasy. FFXIII was a consistent world, and high tech made sense there. I don't like that Electrope has become the means to introduce whatever crazy tech they feel like putting in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
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11-10-2025, 03:34 AMGrizzlyTank
Thought Solution 9 would be midgard ish. Seeing how the blue quests mentioned monetarists capitalizing on the new world which would open up for one of them to establish their little stronghold over there.
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11-10-2025, 05:44 AMDaraliiSorry, they had to get rid of the Whalaqee storyline so that we could go to cowboy land and watch rubber bullet duels.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank
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11-11-2025, 07:47 PMSkankyRoeI agree it's odd getting an FF8 cameo for the 8-man trial of an FF9 themed patch in the FF9 themed expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kozh
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11-11-2025, 09:32 PMAnvairei wouldnt say SHB was heavily ff8 referenced. I guess doomtrain was chosen because they already used 6's and a train boss fight is cool. They could have gone with Ark from ff9 though, but maybe they are holding that for later.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkankyRoe
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11-11-2025, 09:42 PMBlisteringFrostOne of the few summons we have left to pull from pre-existing material. Makes sense to me. Just look forward to the second remix of Force Your Way I guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkankyRoe
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11-11-2025, 09:53 PMSkankyRoeI believe this makes Pandemona the only FF8 summon that has yet to appear in this game. On the music front I'm not averse to getting another Force Your Way remix but I'd prefer a remix of one of the three FF8 battle themes that haven't made it into this game yet, or hell, a remix of the FF9 boss theme since we haven't yet gotten that one either. I'm expecting it to be a battle remix of the Heritage Found theme tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost
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11-11-2025, 10:02 PMBlisteringFrostPandamonia and technically Griever, even though the latter was referenced through The Legendary Beast in E11 (not that I count that as it actually showing up). I wouldn't be surprised if we get a remix of Maybe I'm A Lion and it's a song about Wuk Lamat.Quote:
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11-11-2025, 10:05 PMSkankyRoeMaybe I'm A Lion and Man With A Machine Gun both already have a sound that I think would work well remixed for the Doomtrain trial.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlisteringFrost
Oh but you just tipped me to the amazing possibility of Doomtrain's theme being a remix of Smile. -
11-11-2025, 10:12 PMDaraliiA surprising number of people consider it "the dedicated FF8 expansion" because of GNB and Eden, even though Eden was pretty light on direct references.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anvaire
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11-12-2025, 07:39 AMBurmecia
either its on other shard
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11-12-2025, 01:08 PMKozhI didn't say it's "dedicated ff8 expansion" nor that I've seen people saying that. I disagree on eden being "light" on direct references though. We literally fight eden itself as first boss, gaia is so ultimecia coded, as e12 shows, and let's not forget the field of flower thing with ryne and gaia refering to squall and rinoa. There are othrr smaller references as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
GNB is very direct reference too. Instead of "job that is based on older ff game", it's "squall's job but in ff14".